Fighting Technique Question

[Deloi]

The difference here is I do know what I'm talking about. Being able to dodge has a lot less to do with natural quickness and a lot more with training.

Also, it's Muay Thai, not Karate that I train :D

I wanna you see you say that when you are facing down a car going 96. I'm sure if you just tell the car that you have training, it won't kill you. I can just imagine that scenario:

You ask your friend to help you with an experiment. You want your friend to drive a car at 96 kph at you to see if you can jump it with bricks on your back. The ten pound bricks will slow your jump, but you aren't worried because you have a lot of training. Your friend gives you a worried expression and asks if you are sure before going through with this. Unflinching, you tell him, "Being able to dodge has a lot less to do with natural quickness and a lot more with training." He proceeds to run your arse over. You have learned your less and will be living with your permanent disability: death.

While we aren't dealing with cars, Force users have force speed.

 

[Rameth]

That barely makes sense...if it even makes sense at all.

Also I know that Mars is right about the training. You think that 50 year old dudes who can whoop on a 20 year old is because he's faster? Its all about the experience. Now Force Speed would definitely change things if the other person couldn't use it but I think that was already assumed.

 

[Deloi]

To a certain extent I guess experience would count, but there is a limit in experience versus speed which was what I'm trying to get across. In this case I'm trying to say that experience is much more limited in comparison to speed with star wars.

 

[Dread]

I wanna you see you say that when you are facing down a car going 96. I'm sure if you just tell the car that you have training, it won't kill you. I can just imagine that scenario:

You ask your friend to help you with an experiment. You want your friend to drive a car at 96 kph at you to see if you can jump it with bricks on your back. The ten pound bricks will slow your jump, but you aren't worried because you have a lot of training. Your friend gives you a worried expression and asks if you are sure before going through with this. Unflinching, you tell him, "Being able to dodge has a lot less to do with natural quickness and a lot more with training." He proceeds to run your arse over. You have learned your less and will be living with your permanent disability: death.

While we aren't dealing with cars, Force users have force speed.

Were you actually serious when you made this post?

...Jerek?

 

[Deloi]

It was more of joke, but I'm serious with speed versus experience.

 

[Rameth]

Ya but the speed you're talking about would only apply at certain times. Like, as you said, when Force Speed is used. If so it would apply with a Force guy using it against a non Force guy. I agree that even a Padawan using Force Speed against a Master of Martial Arts would be able to get way more of his punches in then if he wasn't. Now granted I still think the Master would win but that's a different story.

Now two people using Force Speed on each other it would just go back to experience. The amount of "being faster" is only a fraction of a second. Not something you can capitalize on easily. Now if it was the faster guy vs the slower guy, with the same experience, and they had the same speed ya I can see the faster guy winning.

 

[Xyrael]

Experience also allows you to anticipate. Speed and quick reaction time can only go so far. Besides, training and experience gives you speed irregardless.

 

[Jiang Winters]

I wanna you see you say that when you are facing down a car going 96. I'm sure if you just tell the car that you have training, it won't kill you. I can just imagine that scenario:

You ask your friend to help you with an experiment. You want your friend to drive a car at 96 kph at you to see if you can jump it with bricks on your back. The ten pound bricks will slow your jump, but you aren't worried because you have a lot of training. Your friend gives you a worried expression and asks if you are sure before going through with this. Unflinching, you tell him, "Being able to dodge has a lot less to do with natural quickness and a lot more with training." He proceeds to run your arse over. You have learned your less and will be living with your permanent disability: death.

While we aren't dealing with cars, Force users have force speed.

Your posts make me die a little on the inside.

 

[Deloi]

Your posts make me die a little on the inside.

Sorry about that.

 

[Kuran]

I wanna you see you say that when you are facing down a car going 96. I'm sure if you just tell the car that you have training, it won't kill you. I can just imagine that scenario:

You ask your friend to help you with an experiment. You want your friend to drive a car at 96 kph at you to see if you can jump it with bricks on your back. The ten pound bricks will slow your jump, but you aren't worried because you have a lot of training. Your friend gives you a worried expression and asks if you are sure before going through with this. Unflinching, you tell him, "Being able to dodge has a lot less to do with natural quickness and a lot more with training." He proceeds to run your arse over. You have learned your less and will be living with your permanent disability: death.

While we aren't dealing with cars, Force users have force speed.

If, however, the car was going at exactly 66 miles an hour, it won't be a problem.:bitchez

Or was it 88....

 

[DeathToll]

My advice on the whole subject... Stop thinking so unrealistically. We're not in the Matrix here.. If somebody punched with their right hand, why try to catch it and attempt a throw by pulling on their wrist? It doesn't make sense. You would probably miss the catch AND they'd be able to counter weight your attempt. You'd only manage to give your back to your opponent and tie up your arms trying to yank the other guy down. It wouldn't happen.

When/if the guy punches with his right hand, twist back towards your left while simultaneously sticking out your right leg across your opponent's feet and wrapping your right hand around your opponent's back with a slap-tug. If it helps, you could try and use your left hand to grip at your opponent's shirt at the chest/shoulder or MAYBE their wrist. If the entire move is fluid, just crank a twist of your body and slam them to the ground. A body is much easier to grab onto, and you'd dodge the punch in the process. The harder the punch and more force behind it, the more likely you can use their own momentum against them.

Course, that's just one way to look at it. The specifics change how you look at it.

 

[Mars]

My advice on the whole subject... Stop thinking so unrealistically. We're not in the Matrix here.. If somebody punched with their right hand, why try to catch it and attempt a throw by pulling on their wrist? It doesn't make sense. You would probably miss the catch AND they'd be able to counter weight your attempt. You'd only manage to give your back to your opponent and tie up your arms trying to yank the other guy down. It wouldn't happen.

When/if the guy punches with his right hand, twist back towards your left while simultaneously sticking out your right leg across your opponent's feet and wrapping your right hand around your opponent's back with a slap-tug. If it helps, you could try and use your left hand to grip at your opponent's shirt at the chest/shoulder or MAYBE their wrist. If the entire move is fluid, just crank a twist of your body and slam them to the ground. A body is much easier to grab onto, and you'd dodge the punch in the process. The harder the punch and more force behind it, the more likely you can use their own momentum against them.

Course, that's just one way to look at it. The specifics change how you look at it.

Personally, if faced with a simple right hand, I'd just parry it away and counter with a left hook or right leg kick. Nice and simple while still doing the job.

 

[DeathToll]

same here tbh. :) i don't get the love for grappling, myself.

...jus tryin to relate to the question asked.

 

[Jake]

Half of the people in this thread are annoyingly clueless when it comes to sparring...

 

[Mars]

same here tbh. :) i don't get the love for grappling, myself.

...jus tryin to relate to the question asked.

Grappling has it's uses when faced with a non-FS opponent but it losses a lot of effectiveness when fighting a Jedi/Sith/etc

 

[DeathToll]

Grappling has it's uses when faced with a non-FS opponent

As does a gatling gun.. ;)

 

[Cisco]

As does a gatling gun.. ;)

If I see a Padawan deflecting gattling gun bullets I think I'd break mentally.

 

[Kuran]

Just to be that person....

If it was at long range, the Padawan may be able to defend against a gatling gun. The few shots that don't go wild would be deflected much like a normal shot.

 

[DeathToll]

* watches Reiger's head explode * ...


"That Person" is incorrect.

 

[Kuran]

How so? The bullets(or laser rounds) from a gatling gun would spread over distance. They're not really meant to be that prescice ;p