United States Presidential Election, 2016

[TWD26]

of an extent, amount, or intensity considerably above the normal or average.

What are your qualifications for evaluating greatness? Neither Hillary or Trump really sit well, pretty much most of the candidates fall into that category for me at least--and has turned me away from even wanting to vote.

 

[Mr.BossMan]

Isn't Hillary a criminal?

 

[Law abiding heretic]

Isn't Hillary a criminal?

Allegedly

What are your qualifications for evaluating greatness? Neither Hillary or Trump really sit well, pretty much most of the candidates fall into that category for me at least--and has turned me away from even wanting to vote.

I personally believe that securing our border and deporting illegal immigrants that get welfare and Medicare (which combined is over 50% of our gdp) is better than raising taxes to increase welfare benefits and provide "free" healthcare and tuition.

 

[Mr.BossMan]

And all of these people are saying "Free tuition!" And yet they fail to realize nothing is free in this world. So I will be working my ass off to pay higher taxes so some kid can go to college and drink beer with his friends. No.

The problem with a socialist is they eventually run out of other peoples money to spend.

Someone said that.

 

[TWD26]

Allegedly

I personally believe that securing our border and deporting illegal immigrants that get welfare and Medicare (which combined is over 50% of our gdp) is better than raising taxes to increase welfare benefits

As long as they're paying taxes, I feel they should be allowed to stay, but some sort of registration process should be formed. But, to think you'd be able to round up every single illegal immigrant is a pipe dream, the number of people entering the country illegally has declined throughout the years.. I find it refreshing that at least trump and sanders are willing to talk about the issues and not tiptoe around it (hillary), but I don't really agree with their policies.

 

[Nor'baal]

Thatcher did.

 

[Law abiding heretic]

As long as they're paying taxes, I feel they should be allowed to stay, but some sort of registration process should be formed. But, to think you'd be able to round up every single illegal immigrant is a pipe dream, the number of people entering the country illegally has declined throughout the years.. I find it refreshing that at least trump and sanders are willing to talk about the issues and not tiptoe around it (hillary), but I don't really agree with their policies.

What makes it a pipe dream?

 

[Marcus]

As long as they're paying taxes, I feel they should be allowed to stay, but some sort of registration process should be formed.

This would essentially make them not illegal anymore...

 

[Mr.BossMan]

As long as they're paying taxes, I feel they should be allowed to stay, but some sort of registration process should be formed. But, to think you'd be able to round up every single illegal immigrant is a pipe dream, the number of people entering the country illegally has declined throughout the years.. I find it refreshing that at least trump and sanders are willing to talk about the issues and not tiptoe around it (hillary), but I don't really agree with their policies.

If you are an illegal immigrant, weather paying taxes or not, you should be deported. If you are a 'good' person then you can come back legally. To me that seems fair.

Where did you find that the number of people entering the country illegally is declining? - This is not me arguing against you I just want to know where you found it.

Also I think it is only logical to assume you can't round up every illegal alien, that's just the truth you simply can't. But you can try.

And immigration should be an issue in these debates. So I do agree with you that Trump and Bernie are in the right to tackle it head on openly.

 

[TWD26]

What makes it a pipe dream?

How are you going to find every single illegal immigrant, especially the ones not paying taxes and under the radar. What are you going to do with all of the children born in the United States--send them to orphans? I feel like Trump is just using it as a talking point, and really has no actual means to do anything about the situation. Who's going to pay for the mass deportation?

 

[TWD26]

This would essentially make them not illegal anymore...

Studies show that they pay close to 11.8 Billion dollars in taxes, I don't agree with illegal immigration and i feel that rules need to be expanded for future cases, but the mass deportation of the ones living in our country would not be the most humane thing to do. I certainly don't agree with open border policies--see what is happening in Europe. But, I feel that the government should try and come up with a program to facilitate these people working visas.

 

[Marcus]

But if they have paperwork and are here on a visa or something and are paying taxes to boot, they are no longer illegal, and that's fine. So yay if we can make that happen. But there will still be illegal immigrants and a "registration" is what I just described above - making them legal. The illegals should leave or become legal, and I think disagreeing with that and letting them stay "cuz feelz" is unwise. And I do indeed feel for them, but there are proper ways of going about it, and saying "yeah, you really shouldn't be here because of XYZ, but sign this and we'll allow it for now" is not the answer.

 

[Law abiding heretic]

How are you going to find every single illegal immigrant, especially the ones not paying taxes and under the radar. What are you going to do with all of the children born in the United States--send them to orphans? I feel like Trump is just using it as a talking point, and really has no actual means to do anything about the situation. Who's going to pay for the mass deportation?

The government knows how many (roughly) illegal immigrants come into the US and where they reside, charts have been made covering this so it would be safe to say that we have a general idea on where they are.

Children of illegal imigrants are still illegal, the constitution does not say anything about birthright citizenship.

How is anything paid for?

 

[Warmonger]

Isn't Hillary a criminal?

Not in any real meaning of the word.

 

[Warmonger]

Allegedly

I personally believe that securing our border and deporting illegal immigrants that get welfare and Medicare (which combined is over 50% of our gdp) is better than raising taxes to increase welfare benefits and provide "free" healthcare and tuition.

No charges have been filed against her so it's not even allegedly.

 

[TWD26]

The government knows how many (roughly) illegal immigrants come into the US and where they reside, charts have been made covering this so it would be safe to say that we have a general idea on where they are.

Children of illegal imigrants are still illegal, the constitution does not say anything about birthright citizenship.

How is anything paid for?

Ever hear of a little thing called the 14th Amendment?

 

[Warmonger]

How are you going to find every single illegal immigrant, especially the ones not paying taxes and under the radar. What are you going to do with all of the children born in the United States--send them to orphans? I feel like Trump is just using it as a talking point, and really has no actual means to do anything about the situation. Who's going to pay for the mass deportation?

Taxpayers of course. Odds are that the taxpayers of Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, and California (probably also Colorado) are going to be particularly baldy hit since state and city police departments would need more resources in order to grab people off the streets and from in their homes like jackboots.

 

[TWD26]

Taxpayers of course. Odds are that the taxpayers of Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, and California (probably also Colorado) are going to be particularly baldy hit since state and city police departments would need more resources in order to grab people off the streets and from in their homes like jackboots.

I know, it was rhetorical :)

 

[Law abiding heretic]

No charges have been filed against her so it's not even allegedly.

Definition: used to convey that something is claimed to be the case or have taken place, although there is no proof.

She allegedly committed treason by storing state secrets on a unsecured server.

So yes its alleged that she's a criminal.

 

[Warmonger]

I know, it was rhetorical :)

I know. I just wanted to make the point. Your taxes will go up in order to fund what will inevitably be a ridiculously expensive deportation plan. And that's not even including the stupid-ass wall.