The Sons of Mandalore

[Green Ranger]

Maybe multi-factioning was the wrong word to use.

What I meant was that it would effectively be gaming the rules on faction limits. By effectively making a faction that would have similar alliances and affiliation and position as they already have in the BA, but turning the planet into an independant faction, Mandalorian players, through their alliance with the BA, could technically still have a character in the Jedi or Sith.

Course, if you still had a Senator and were allied with the BA, then that'd make you a BA/Republic world for all intents and purposes anyway, and so you probably wouldn't be allowed to. But then, following that line of logic, if you're still basically a Republic/BA world that OOCly is represented by an Independant faction, then there's no point for the Independant faction to exist anyway, since you'd just be a member world of the Republic like Alderaan, or Chandrila...or like Mandalore already is right now, which kind of makes submitting them as a faction redundant.

I know that...probably makes more sense in my head, but the general point is that the goal of the faction seems to be to get right back to where Mandalore already is, but for some reason being an Independant faction rather than a Republic member-world.

I think this is especially weird because, from the offset, everyone was really perfectly fine with the stance that we took in the Think Tank - that Mandalorians are just people from Mandalore. And now you're trying to make Mandalore a faction again?

 

[Bardan Kex]

I think its mostly that at this stage, the Mandalorian "Faction" wouldnt really be apart of anything. The Sons of Mandalore would be freedom fighters or terrorists depending on your point of view, fighting to take control of Mandalore, and thus be an independent faction of its own, trying to seek to be on the same page as the BA or Republic. But if necissary turn to the Sith/SBZ or its own extremist path. As is, most of the people with interest in this faction already have either Sith or Jedi characters so if a comparison could be made, it would be like the Romulan Republic in Star Trek Online. Who are neither one nor the other in regards to allegiances (Federation or KDF) which is the state of the SoM. Clearly we have a preference, we would rather be allied with the Republic or BA. Now I personally do not believe that being allied or having similar thoughts to the BA or Republic makes you exactly the same as you seem to imply. Additionally, as I was lead to believe from the thread that decided that Mandalore would be a Republic World, but not a BA world, we were free to forge our own path, while retaining a Senator until such a path diverged too greatly.

 

[Ral]

Hmm, maybe I should rephrase it to make it easier for your palette. Mandalore would still be a BA world, not an "independent" one (basically the faction won't have total control over the planet to say it's strictly independent) but it would have an independent faction on it with completely dissimilar goals and interests to the BA outside of keeping the Mandalorian people safe. They wouldn't be opposed to the BA, but they don't like them enough to join them. They'd draw their own resources outside of the BA from whatever they could get that was unaligned. In reality, it's basically just a faction on a planet that happens to be a BA world. Because from my point of view, there's no reason that two groups can't share a planet, especially if they're not hostile towards each other. It seems like the biggest argument against this is that the Mandos would like the Government because of the BA, and that the BA would like the Mando government. But again, I fail to see how just because a government does one thing, like forming/staying allied with the BA, makes the people love them and forgive them for any possible misdeads or mistakes they might have made. Hell Nixon was forced to resign because he was caught wiretapping. Imagine what a Mandalorian would do if they found out their leader killed a rival to silence them.

The Senator/Dmitri wouldn't be a part of the faction, though ideally he/she'd be on speaking terms with the Faction and could set up threads and plots in the future. Basically, the faction is on a Republic world, but the Republic can still do whatever.

I think it's better to look at it like this. There are a load of Mandalorian players who want to band together and form something. According to new canon and site canon Mandalorians only have the Mandalore system and Concord Dawn, so why wouldn't this faction at least try to set up a base on their homeworld.

I also disagree on what was actually said in the Think Tank. I believe, from my understanding, was that the Mandalorians wouldn't get any special treatment by the Think Tank/admins, i.e. we weren't going to waste time to plan for them and fit them into the story, otherwise they (the Mando players) could figure themselves out, but that Mandalore would be in the Republic/BA, after that it was up to the players. They would be viewed as another planet, with Mandalorians being from Mandalore like how Corellians are from Corellia, but in this case they'd be largely warrior-like. In fact, in the Think Tank I brought up that I would spearhead a Mandalorian faction on my own if we didn't want to deal with them in the think tank, and nobody said anything but "sure go ahead." So I'm not sure why this is especially weird to you. To tack on one extra point, you say that "everyone was really perfectly fine with the stance that we took in the Think Tank" but I feel either you're assuming something that isn't true (i.e. "everyone" had different thoughts on what you meant), or nobody got the memo, because more than a few Think Tank members have been involved in the discussion for this plot/faction.

 

[Stormthroe]

@Ral ,

Ok, reading through, that last post makes a bit more sense to me. I was never against this faction; as I said, after some character development, I would love to have Rymann join a splinter group such as this for my personal plot with him. I was simply confused as to its purpose and the history written up in your template seems a little more assumptive than I think was intended.

However, if this is something that Dmitri has planned, then it is of course perfectly fine! My fear was that this irganization was the start of the same conflicts from last timeline, and we all know how that ended up. I would possibly put a disclaimer explaining that the conflict you have outlined is in the works of becoming canon. That was my primary gripe, and if its being addressed, then people should see that before the complaints begin.

 

[Dmitri]

I am on phone and will go into greater detail. I seem to have misinterpreted the role of the faction, seeing it more of a story collaborative than taking over.

To clarify, Mandalore is niot being used by the BA or in bad terms with the BA: in fact it was one of the planets to found the BA.

 

[Ral]

I am on phone and will go into greater detail. I seem to have misinterpreted the role of the faction, seeing it more of a story collaborative than taking over.

To clarify, Mandalore is niot being used by the BA or in bad terms with the BA: in fact it was one of the planets to found the BA.

Well, Weiss, to be fair, that was the goal. It was supposed to be a collaborative story, with the end goal being the establishment of new Mandalorian government. Again, one which had no issues with the BA, and whose grievances are with the local government and how it dealt with its internal problems. How much control the government has, and how much of Mandalore's resources would be accessible to it would be up to you and the other admins, after of course we have done the RPs to try and gain control.

And to clarify, I don't think anyone suggested or said that the BA was using Mandalore in a negative way, or that Mandalore was on bad terms with the BA. Only that the current leader has many issues outside of the BA. Again, my thoughts being just because this leader (or maybe it was his predecessor) formed the BA, something that the Mandalorians support, with the other worlds, doesn't mean everyone will love him. Presumably, he has done other things and those things might not have been particularly well-received by the Mandalorian people.

 

[Tsunami]

Is the issue with this faction down to it purely being too similar to the BA/Republic, therefore it seeming like we are trying to circumvent the current "One Faction" rule?

If possible would one of the admins be able to hit us up with a simple list of issues they are having, just so we can discuss this among ourselves and decide the best course of action?

Currently anyone looking through this faction thread will be thinking what the hell am I signing up for.

Thanks all :)

 

[Brandon Rhea]

@Ral

You mention two of your posts ago that this would be an independent faction that just happens to exist on Mandalore. What happens if they end up overthrowing the Mandalorian government? Where do you intend to go from there?

That's where I ultimately share the concerns about not following the spirit or intent of the character limit. I don't have those concerns in the present shape of the faction, but I do for if it takes over the government. At that point, unless something radically changed in terms of what Mandalore's role is in the galaxy, being a member of this faction would be tantamount to being part of the Republic.

So before this faction can be approved, I think it's important to have a sense of where it might go after a potential takeover of the government.

 

[Outlander]

Sons of Mandalore? More like Sons of Manda-dorks!

For real, I like how this is working out. With all the chatter I've heard about it in the Skype and here, I'm really looking forward to some of the interesting stories that come out of it.

 

[Black Noise]

@Brandon Rhea @Green Ranger @Dmitri

If it was decided in the Think Tank, and it was, that the admins would be stepping away from the mandos, letting them handle themselves, and encouraging coups in general through major factions, then is it not a little excessive that three admins are in this thread discussing the baseline validity of a faction of less than 300 people on a world populated by BILLIONS, seeking to overthrow the government?

If Dmitri is indie faction admin, and to my knowledge he is, perhaps he should be left to deal with this.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

The topic of the character limit concern was discussed by the entire admin team (as it was for a number of other indie factions as well, since there are a few that are in the same boat as the Sons of Mandalore), and I think it's fair to say that no one here is overwhelming this potential faction's members with some sort of burdensome request or series of questions. I asked a simple question, and I suspect there will be a simple answer that will allow this faction to move forward - which is what I want to see happen.

So, BN, you don't need to make this conversation needlessly difficult by being argumentative.

 

[Black Noise]

The topic of the character limit concern was discussed by the entire admin team (as it was for a number of other indie factions as well, since there are a few that are in the same boat as the Sons of Mandalore), and I think it's fair to say that no one here is overwhelming this potential faction's members with some sort of burdensome request or series of questions. I asked a simple question, and I suspect there will be a simple answer that will allow this faction to move forward - which is what I want to see happen.

So, BN, you don't need to make this conversation needlessly difficult by being argumentative.

I do not see my questions being any more difficult or burdensome than yours. While I understand you cannot hear tone over the internet, it should be clear I'm asking simple questions as well.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

Then let's put it to rest now, and the next posts can be Ral or other members of the faction posting their answers to my question. That way, we can get this faction approved as soon as possible.

 

[Loco]

Well, while that's being worked out...

You have MY laser sword. Or regular sword. Or axe. Whatever you guys need really. Something is better than nothing, right?

 

[Tsunami]

@Loco

Laser Sword, Sword and Axe are all welcome!

 

[Jabonicus]

The more we are opposed, the more terrorist-like we shall become.

 

[Tristar]

The more we are opposed, the more terrorist-like we shall become.

That. . . .that would be an unwanted outcome. Mostly because it'll go against the whole united thing you've got going for here. Maybe what you're looking for is Freedom Fighters? Just cause well. . .terrorism doesn't win much support of the civie folks.

 

[Jabonicus]

@Tristar
Your opposition has been noticed.
Thank you for your compliance with the Manderrorist Federation.

 

[Black Noise]

That. . . .that would be an unwanted outcome. Mostly because it'll go against the whole united thing you've got going for here. Maybe what you're looking for is Freedom Fighters? Just cause well. . .terrorism doesn't win much support of the civie folks.

@Tristar
Your opposition has been noticed.
Thank you for your compliance with the Manderrorist Federation.

Until Ral replies to Bac and Boli or works something out over PMs, let's keep this thread free of unnecessary spam.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

@Ral any updates here?