The Sons of Mandalore

[Jabonicus]

Just the chef. I'm going to give y'all a quote from Terry Pratchett that sums up this circle of 'Mando Death Watches':

“But here's some advice, boy. Don't put your trust in revolutions. They always come around again. That's why they're called revolutions.”
― Terry Pratchett, Night Watch

Most Mandalorian writers don't wanna break free from the ways of, 'Mandalorians are all badass warriors and nothin' else' because that's the most convenient way of making them look interesting. It's like no one considers any other choices than making the Mandalorians look like underdogs of Big Bad Mo' Fo'ing conquerers.

Give me a Mandalorian Medical Faction that goes around helping the underdogs of wars with medical assistance and rooting out corruption in local governments. I'd go for that.

Funnily enough, there are some doctors. They're do-no-harm, and they won't fight. Guess what they do? They heal people, they just don't agree with the government.

 

[Cheshire]

It would be interesting for a Mando Medical Faction to exist

 

[Tristar]

Funnily enough, there are some doctors. They're do-no-harm, and they won't fight. Guess what they do? They heal people, they just don't agree with the government.

It's like extremes with the Mando writers sometimes man. If they aren't total badass warriors kicking down door and taking names they're pacifist doctors who don't do harm because 'no one's ever done that before'. The lack of originality is what's killing me mostly. Knowing it's Ral that's making this faction kinda hurts because I know he can do a far better job of a Mandalorian faction.

 

[Bardan Kex]

Most Mandalorian writers don't wanna break free from the ways of, 'Mandalorians are all badass warriors and nothin' else' because that's the most convenient way of making them look interesting. It's like no one considers any other choices than making the Mandalorians look like underdogs of Big Bad Mo' Fo'ing conquerers.

Give me a Mandalorian Medical Faction that goes around helping the underdogs of wars with medical assistance and rooting out corruption in local governments. I'd go for that.

A Mandalorian Medical Faction that quickly become sub-servant to any other faction, and just because you are playing a Warrior, doesn't mean its all gonna be about badass warriors. Frequently they are show as Warriors AND another profession.

If you want a Mandalorian Medical Factions that is all about helping people and butterflies and Unicorns MAKE IT YOURSELF. Don't try to impose your beliefs on other people. What we want isn't what you want, deal with it.

We want to explore what a unified group trying to make a difference for their own people can be like. Helping people of other cultures and worlds doesn't mean a thing if you can't help people from your own culture or world.

 

[Jabonicus]

It's like extremes with the Mando writers sometimes man. If they aren't total badass warriors kicking down door and taking names they're pacifist doctors who don't do harm because 'no one's ever done that before'. The lack of originality is what's killing me mostly. Knowing it's Ral that's making this faction kinda hurts because I know he can do a far better job of a Mandalorian faction.

You want some cool doctors? Want a medical group/people?

Cool, I'm not gonna make 'em, but you're absolutely free to. In fact, I encourage you too, break the mold, and what not. Be the change you want to see in the world. Other generic quote here.

 

[Stormthroe]

I feel that Ral and Rymann, being distant cousins of some sort, would not see eye to eye. I eventually planned to make a shot for Mandalorian government with him, after much IC build up through the course of the timeline, but not quite in the same way; strength for strength's sake isn't a reason to live, and that's what groups like the Death Watch tend to favor. However, strength for the sake of others? That makes a lot more sense. They can be badass warriors, but I've always pictured a good Mandalorian in the same light as I see the Jedi; warriors second to protectors. Yes, in Mandalorian lore through the past they are vicious crusaders, but there's no harm in changing that perspective.

I can see it now, the two of them debating after character growth on the floor of the Senate for rulership or the right to secede or whatever.

"We are strong, so why ally with the weak?"

"Yes, we are strong, but what good is that strength if it is not used to seek peace for all?"

As for Tristar's point, I admittedly agree, but not that badass warriors are boring. However, most of the gung-ho warriors are...bland. Fighting for fighting's sake serves no point but to perpetuate violence. What about fighting to further the cause of peace?

The phrase, "If they stand behind you, give them protection. If they stand beside you, give them respect. If they stand against you, give them no mercy," comes to mind.

 

[Galavant]

Give me a Mandalorian Medical Faction that goes around helping the underdogs of wars with medical assistance and rooting out corruption in local governments. I'd go for that.

If you want to do a Mando Medical Faction man, why not start it? It isn't like it's a zero sum game or anything. Heck I've got a Mando SPACE Race Car driver, and have never played the usual warrior-crusader kind of Mando, and I'm pretty interested in seeing where Ral and Friends go with this, and maybe even joining them someday down the line depending on how things go. The internal conflict is one of the defining features of Mandalorians in canon, and something that's much more interesting in my opinion sans the Traviss influence of Nomadic-Farmer-Warriors which are somehow a thing. There's a lot more of an actual divide between different Mandalorian groups from what we've seen thus far, and a lot more at stake about the future of the Mandalorians with who wins and who loses.

I gotta say I think it's pretty unrealistic to expect there to be a lot of non-combat focused factions, especially this time around. I can't think of a medical faction ever working out (not that, that should stop someone from trying, more power to anyone who can make that work) and it's not like the tendency to play a group a certain way is wholly unique to Mandalorians. Jedi still do the usual Jedi stuff, Sith still do the usual Sith stuff, and so on.

 

[Cheshire]

This has descended to hell xD

 

[Bardan Kex]

I feel that Ral and Rymann, being distant cousins of some sort, would not see eye to eye. I eventually planned to make a shot for Mandalorian government with him, after much IC build up through the course of the timeline, but not quite in the same way; strength for strength's sake isn't a reason to live, and that's what groups like the Death Watch tend to favor. However, strength for the sake of others? That makes a lot more sense. They can be badass warriors, but I've always pictured a good Mandalorian in the same light as I see the Jedi; warriors second to protectors. Yes, in Mandalorian lore through the past they are vicious crusaders, but there's no harm in changing that perspective.

I can see it now, the two of them debating after character growth on the floor of the Senate for rulership or the right to secede or whatever.

"We are strong, so why ally with the weak?"

"Yes, we are strong, but what good is that strength if it is not used to seek peace for all?"

As for Tristar's point, I admittedly agree, but not that badass warriors are boring. However, most of the gung-ho warriors are...bland. Fighting for fighting's sake serves no point but to perpetuate violence. What about fighting to further the cause of peace?

The phrase, "If they stand behind you, give them protection. If they stand beside you, give them respect. If they stand against you, give them no mercy," comes to mind.

One could easily argue that Crusading, to take as much as you can into your fold by force, is a means to peace in of itself. You are taking territories that do not agree and often comes to blow and force them to work with one another? Is that a good approach? Not really. Is it a common view for coming to peace? Certainly not these days.

Additionally I have already mentioned that peace is an ultimate goal, either through conflict or negotiation, the ultimate method is undecided.

Also I will point back to another thing I said. Helping others is ultimately meaning less if you cant help yourself.

 

[Stormthroe]

Nah, man, just a bit of light bantering among friends XD

@Bardan Kex ,
I can totally see that as being a perspective as well, and I'm not arguing against it, but that's also getting into some moral and ethical semantics I'd rather not dive into. However, I do encourage the difference of viewpoints! It allows for character development, and hella lotta fun to boot. As I said, I would eventually like to see Rymann move into a shot for Mandalorian government, and a part of that may be defecting to this kind of organization for a spell for whatever reason, before deciding it is not the way, and advocating against them. I wholeheartedly support both sides of the argument, as each has valid points on its own; I simply see my own character eventually moving against such a thing.

 

[Tristar]

I'm backed up on my projects as it is which is probably the only thing stopping me from making it happen.

"Don't try to impose your beliefs on other people. What we want isn't what you want, deal with it."

If that is what expressing's ones opinion is these days, so be it. And the Mandalorians aren't exactly unified if there's a rebellious faction going against their parent government. But whatever man.

 

[Bardan Kex]

I think you are completely missing the point of the faction, so let me spell it out for you in simple terms.

People aren't happy.

People over throw oppressors.

People now seek to ESTABLISH UNITY across a FRACTURED PEOPLE.

Additionally, just repeating I DONT LIKE WHAT YOU ARE DOING! YOU SHOULD DO IT MY WAY. Is trying to force your opinion on people.

 

[Stormthroe]

Woah, guys, calm down on the hostility. There's no need for it.

 

[Outlander]

christ just calm down everyone

 

[Cheshire]

;-; this is getting scary, I just wanted to sign my character up Q~Q

 

[Bardan Kex]

Talking with Big letters does not make something said into hostility.

 

[Tristar]

Talking with Big letters does not make something said into hostility.

It's more the point that there's a lot of aggressive and hostile connotations associated with capitals. And if you associate criticisms and complains about the general status quo of most writers as forcing down opinions, fine with me too. It was honestly a civil debate that spiraled out of control.

Also as SapphireStorm says: [11:40:59] SapphireStorm: My favourite part this timeline has honestly been when the admins all went "Mandos in this timeline aren't warriors. They're just humans living on Mandalore." And then every Mando player proceeded to ignore them and make the stereotypical Mando warrior.

 

[Outlander]

Also as SapphireStorm says: [11:40:59] SapphireStorm: My favourite part this timeline has honestly been when the admins all went "Mandos in this timeline aren't warriors. They're just humans living on Mandalore." And then every Mando player proceeded to ignore them and make the stereotypical Mando warrior.

OK, now this I have a problem with.

Certain parts of Mandalorian Culture are absolutely crap, and i'm glad to see them go.

HOWEVER. Mandalorians being Warriors is integral to most Mandalorian players, and the culture most people recognize. Even in the NuCanon, it's referenced that, during a time around ours, mandalorians where warriors. So saying it's unfair for people to make characters that fight that are also Mandalorians is not right.

That's my two cents.

 

[Phoenix]

I'm backed up on my projects as it is which is probably the only thing stopping me from making it happen.

"Don't try to impose your beliefs on other people. What we want isn't what you want, deal with it."

If that is what expressing's ones opinion is these days, so be it. And the Mandalorians aren't exactly unified if there's a rebellious faction going against their parent government. But whatever man.

The problem is when you express your opinions in a rude manner, this is what you're going to get. Coming in and criticizing Mandos and calling them all "unoriginal" because they don't agree with you is quite rude and a little bit ridiculous.

You're hating on a faction for doing what we see in canon. They are a divided group with inner conflict. To be honest, most people don't want to play characters that don't fight. Again, like I said earlier, it's not Star Peace

Nobody gives this kind of grief to the Sith or Jedi for doing their thing. If you want to make a Mando do something else, great, do it, but coming in and saying "I'm so disappointed, all of you Mando writers are unoriginal" is rude. Express your opinion, fine, but don't be rude when you do it and then play yourself off as the victim when someone gets upset at you insulting them.

That may not have been what you intended but that IS how it came off and it's why people are upset.

 

[Jabonicus]

Personally, I'd rather not play a mando that just sits in an office all day doing paperwork, or just goes day by day as a cosmetic surgeon. And there's enough politicians in the real world, no way in hell I want to play a Mandalorian one.