The Sons of Mandalore

[Bardan Kex]

@Tristar
I associate your thick headed repeating of the same statements over and over ad nausem of how you dont agree with something as attempting to force your opinions down other people's throats.

Additionally, while they would probably ultimately prefer that not all Mandos are warriors, as they never said Mandalorians as a whole aren't and something that has been pointed out to you not all Mando characters are warriors (a race car driver comes to mind). It is ultimately War, that makes the most difference, and the faction is starting out as a movement that happens to need the warrior aspect of the Culture in order to progress. Where it goes from there is anyones guess. You are making assumptions with out seeing the whole picture, and while Mandalorian Warriors will play a big part of the faction where ever it goes, thats not the sole facet of its existence.

Phoenix has the right of it, its your tone, and off handed dismissal of a group that is meant to be the START of something. Its not like some other good minor factions out there that are starting as fully established entities that know their place in the Galaxy. We could have gone that route, but we chose to have to earn everything we get and see where that path takes us.

 

[Marcus]

Personally, I'd rather not play a mando that just sits in an office all day doing paperwork, or just goes day by day as a cosmetic surgeon. And there's enough politicians in the real world, no way in hell I want to play a Mandalorian one.

 

[Raydo]

All of you need to pray to Lord Boba and hope he has mercy on your tiny Mandalorian souls.

 

[Stormthroe]

Lord Boba, oh most inconsequential character of the movies, ye whose six lines became the rallying cry to warriors everywhere, hear my plea...

 

[Taz]

 

[Stormthroe]

Ok, so, now that all the hub-bub is finished, a few questions for the Faction itself, Ral.

I understand the point of this faction completely, however, I noticed that you are basing your history on the story of the Mandalorian people being malcontent against the Republic. While I could see where a minority of Mandalorians might feel this way, the vast majority in this timeline do not, as set up in the main storyline. Houses Vizsla and Kryze both enjoy a prominent amount of freedom to act in what ways they see fit given their relationship with and authority within the Border Alliance. By tying this in with Mandalore's physical distance from Senate-controlled space, I feel that many of the actions you dictated are more indicative of infighting between Houses, which seems to me to be out of place compared to the current state of affairs thus far reached in the timeline.

Now, I could see these tactics being used, but as far as I can see, Houses Vizsla and Kryze are the two most dominant powers, at the moment at least, which if the government were responsible for the atrocities in your backstory, wouldn't that essentially make Ral a member of the responsible party? Why would the Rebellion follow him, unless he is operating under an alias of some kind. Also, what prominence did Gideon fill that would have outraged so many? After reading your backstory for Ral, the history seems somewhat at odds; is it meant to be IC propaganda for the faction?

To me, it seems that Ral himself has an alternative purpose for forming such a faction at an IC level; it is a means to acheive his revenge without having to answer to the authority of another faction. If this faction is relatively new, then how have they convinced so many, including members of the Mandalorian fleet, to defect to their cause if the Rebellion itself should be considered a minority at best in the popular opinion of the Mandalorian people?

 

[Bardan Kex]

I belive the Malcontent towards the Republic is that the current government has been neglecting the fact that it is a Republic State as its mentioned that less and less Mandos are being sent to the BA. As for it being set up in the main timeline, its only been established that they are a member of the Republic, the feelings towards it have not. As someone who has helped plan the faction I can tell you that the Faction itself wants to make the 'people' more OK with the fact that they are members of the Republic and even its allies. Its a story telling element, and something that logically we would be able to have some grounds to work with.

House Vizsla and Kryze, arent what we have planned as the main ruling house, it is safe to assume and we are, that there are more than just two major houses ruling Mandalore and even were that not the case, Houses would be so large through controlling the minor Clans such as Wren under them that one Vizsla or Kryze replacing another wouldnt be so strange that the average person would balk at the idea. Houses would have people with distant relations sharing a name, but ultimately beyond a name be entirely different.


As for how do we establish that we are taking this things and convincing people? We've done one thread already to establish the faction, in fact posting this was after that thread was mostly complete. And are planning several more to work our way up to bigger and better things, we are taking those members of the fleet, because that is what is allowed to us as a Minor Faction as per the rules, in fact I think we are taking less that most other minor factions based on the fact we wish to do more through the story, than just simple start out having things and going from there.

If our rag tag fleet were lets say to be beaten, because the NPC Mandalore was backed by the BA for some reason and we had to run and do lets say Piracy, that's where we would take it. If we won and established the new Mandalore, we'd work with our Senator and the Republic to strengthen our people and that sort of thing.

 

[Green Ranger]

Someone help me out here - how does the whole malcontent, weakness of the leadership of Mandalore, training fewer Mandalorians to join the BA thing fit in with this:

Mandalore is home to a proud culture of warriors. In the past, Mandalorian commandos were sought by the Republic and the old Sith Empire alike to train and fuel their war machines, but, in the centuries since, Mandalore has become a loyal member of the Republic and has a powerful seat in the Galactic Senate. It is an old enemy of the Sacred Band of Ziost, which was founded by many warrior sects, among them some rogue Mandalorian houses. During the last war with the old Sith Empire, House Kryze and House Vizsla organized soldiers to thwart the Sacred Band of Ziost and were instrumental in the fall of the Sith Empire.

Always willing to defend the Republic, Mandalore was the first to predict war when the Sith Brotherhood asserted itself. In conjunction with Bandomeer and Phindar, the Mandalorians helped organize the Border Alliance and are heavily involved in the training of the multitudes of volunteer militias and mercenaries that make up the Border Alliance ranks. As such, Mandalore hosts not only the backup headquarters to the Border Alliance, but also the training ground for its soldiers, including those of Defiant Squadron.

That's from the Republic Worlds sticky, for reference purposes. I mean, it just strikes me as odd that you're talking about Mandalore like it's in this massive downfall of corruption and stagnation when the only real site-canon information we have seems to, well...directly contradict these notions.

 

[Stormthroe]

Where is this fact mentioned, might I ask? The only information I was able to find on Mandalorians in the BA is the site-canon that Mandalore helped establish the Border Alliance, alongside Bandomeer and Phindar. The Border Alliance is also only partially related to the Republic and the Senate, more a coalition between the outer rim worlds working specifically to protect themselves and the inner core from the Sith threat more proactively.

Also, when you refer to the faction, are you referring to the Border Alliance, or the Sons of Mandalore? If it is the sons of Mandalore, then in what way are they representing making the 'people,' which I assume to be the Mandalorian people as a whole, more amiable to Republic membership, considering that by enacting a private revolution against the standing government of Mandalore, you are in direct opposition of said Republic membership?

As for your discussion on the Houses, the Mandalorian Houses hold the most power on Mandalore, so much so that they can be considered entirely separate political entities. Yes, there can be infighting among one House between its representatives, but as a whole, they act as one unit working as a political and sometimes military power. Yes, the minor clans that make up each House could change leadership easily, however, the changing of the total political stance of any of the greater Houses would be very serious. Considering the concepts of honor and loyalty to Mandalorian culture, how would so many of the fleet and military be willing to defect to the cause of what is essentially an upstart looking to gain a modicum of power for his own ends, without any reason to back such an act up?

Also, you have not established the faction as per the site rules, as posting an IC thread before the faction itself has been approved has already violated said rules. I would deem an Admin could make final ruling upon that fact, but it is inconsequential; both the thread and the history of the faction correlate to essentially bending the timeline canon on Mandalore as much as possible to allow this faction to exist. The Death Watch, and that is what this organization essentially is, are insurrectionists looking to undermine the government, even if they believe their motives to be pure.

Now, this is not a critique, simply a questioning. I have some suggestions to amend it; for one, unless you are writing the history in the format of propaganda, I would not make it out to assume that the canon Mandalorians are not in favor of the republic as a majority. Overall, I feel that Mandalore and its people enjoy a position of privilege in both the Border Alliance, as cofounders and a primary player in the Outer Rim warfront based on the timeline canon I was able to find, and within the Senate, seeing as they and the two other founders of the BA were able to speak their case well enough to gain at least a modicum of Senate backing.

Also, I would wait to make assumptions upon what the government and operations on Mandalore are like until Dmitri finishes the Site Admin write-up on the planet to establish what is and is not site-canon, as discussed in this thread. Right now, and I recognize the Independent Faction Admin would need to make the final decision, I feel that both too much is being assumed with regards to the Mandalorian Revolutionaries' cause and founding, and that several of those assumptions are in direct opposition to the established timeline canon, for instance, that the government that helped found one of the main factions on the site is weak and neglectful of its own people.

What I do agree with is that this faction is devoted mostly to the creation of a Mandalorian Dominion. It is a way for players to perform as the Death Watch did in the Clone Wars series; which is perfectly acceptable, and certainly an entertaining piece to play out in character. However, I would suggest not attempting to cover that fact up. This is still going to be an insurrectionist faction against an established Canon world in the end, and if it was truly going to begin being built up in-character, then it would start out significantly smaller than a ragtag, but functional fleet of ships and an organization of 200 bodies.

Addendum: Sniped by Green Ranger, but the point stands.

 

[Ral]

Someone help me out here - how does the whole malcontent, weakness of the leadership of Mandalore, training fewer Mandalorians to join the BA thing fit in with this:



That's from the Republic Worlds sticky, for reference purposes. I mean, it just strikes me as odd that you're talking about Mandalore like it's in this massive downfall of corruption and stagnation when the only real site-canon information we have seems to, well...directly contradict these notions.

Maybe I'm not seeing it, but how are the two ideas mutually exclusive, Boli? Can't a world still be loyal to the Republic, a strong member of the Border Alliance, and still have a local government that it in itself, is incompetent and stagnant? Can't it also be that while Mandalore might be a cornerstone of the BA they could be doing more to help? The faction isn't aimed at removing Mandalore from the BA, in fact it's the opposite. In fact, what you posted would only lend to the credibility that the Mandalorians of this time period are upset at the government for not doing more, not being more active in the BA. Sure, it might serve as the training grounds and back up HQ, but does that mean the leaders itself are doing everything in their power to support the BA? Anyone can sign off on a deal to establish bases on their planet, or join a military alliance, and maybe even see the wisdom of doing such a thing, but I don't think that what you're saying means that people from the world of Mandalore itself aren't satisfied with how it's been run in recent years. As it is, this would be a matter related to the internal politics of Mandalore and how the Mandalorians view its leaders, not its relationship with the BA. Just because a leader endorses a few good things, in this case supporting the BA, doesn't mean he will be well-liked for the other things he does, moreover doesn't mean he's doing everything in his power to help the BA.

 

[Green Ranger]

Maybe I'm not seeing it, but how are the two ideas mutually exclusive, Boli? Can't a world still be loyal to the Republic, a strong member of the Border Alliance, and still have a local government that it in itself, is incompetent and stagnant? Can't it also be that while Mandalore might be a cornerstone of the BA they could be doing more to help? The faction isn't aimed at removing Mandalore from the BA, in fact it's the opposite. In fact, what you posted would only lend to the credibility that the Mandalorians of this time period are upset at the government for not doing more, not being more active in the BA. Sure, it might serve as the training grounds and back up HQ, but does that mean the leaders itself are doing everything in their power to support the BA? Anyone can sign off on a deal to establish bases on their planet, or join a military alliance, and maybe even see the wisdom of doing such a thing, but I don't think that what you're saying means that people from the world of Mandalore itself aren't satisfied with how it's been run in recent years. As it is, this would be a matter related to the internal politics of Mandalore and how the Mandalorians view its leaders, not its relationship with the BA. Just because a leader endorses a few good things, in this case supporting the BA, doesn't mean he will be well-liked for the other things he does, moreover doesn't mean he's doing everything in his power to help the BA.

So, how does 'You're not doing enough in the BA' translate to a rebellion/resistance movement with armed ships and stuff? Hell, how does being pro-BA translate into creating an Independant faction? Like, if I sound confused, it's because I genuinely am here, since this pitch just seems rather bizarre to me at the moment.

It just feels like there's a colossal disconnect between 'we disagree' and 'we're forming a resistance movement.' Why wouldn't, or couldn't, the same goals be achieved just by joining the BA? Mandalore's a BA world after all. The whole coup or resistance movement angle just seems like a weird leap to make given that the concerns over rulership are really tame.

 

[Bardan Kex]

Also, you have not established the faction as per the site rules, as posting an IC thread before the faction itself has been approved has already violated said rules. I would deem an Admin could make final ruling upon that fact, but it is inconsequential; both the thread and the history of the faction correlate to essentially bending the timeline canon on Mandalore as much as possible to allow this faction to exist. The Death Watch, and that is what this organization essentially is, are insurrectionists looking to undermine the government, even if they believe their motives to be pure.

Our posting of a thread was ment to be a meeting that called in people BEFORE THE FACTION WOULD HAVE EXSISTED, so no, since it is not a FACTION THREAD, it would not violate the rules. It is an IC coming together of people to be like, "Hey, we should create a faction." And then after that fact we posted the faction.

In regards to some of your other points about how the Government of Mandalore turns out, Dmitri has been asking our opinions on Skype as to how things on Mandalore will go. Again a case of people not in the loop of what is being discussed (though since he is writing it he could decide to entirely change it) going off the complete lack of facts they have.

We are working with people on the matter, and believe it or not we have some idea what is going on.

 

[Ral]

Where is this fact mentioned, might I ask? The only information I was able to find on Mandalorians in the BA is the site-canon that Mandalore helped establish the Border Alliance, alongside Bandomeer and Phindar. The Border Alliance is also only partially related to the Republic and the Senate, more a coalition between the outer rim worlds working specifically to protect themselves and the inner core from the Sith threat more proactively.

Also, when you refer to the faction, are you referring to the Border Alliance, or the Sons of Mandalore? If it is the sons of Mandalore, then in what way are they representing making the 'people,' which I assume to be the Mandalorian people as a whole, more amiable to Republic membership, considering that by enacting a private revolution against the standing government of Mandalore, you are in direct opposition of said Republic membership?

That last line is totally a false assumption based on no facts. The Republic is a TRADE ALLIANCE first off, if anything it's more like the UN in real world analogue than a country. The leadership of a world may change, but that doesn't mean said planet or its new leadership is against Republic membership. To use another example, let's say Republic World X ended up having a very corrupt leader who was bad at his job, so the people decided to remove him from office, but he wouldn't budge, so they had to use force. Are you saying those people don't want to be a part of the Republic because their leader was an asshat? Or that the Republic must intervene because there's an issue of internal politics because the ruler was being ousted by a popular, albeit violent, decision?

Part of the faction's goals and intent is to explore and gain traction with the people, as the members of it believe they are doing what is best for their planet.

As for your discussion on the Houses, the Mandalorian Houses hold the most power on Mandalore, so much so that they can be considered entirely separate political entities. Yes, there can be infighting among one House between its representatives, but as a whole, they act as one unit working as a political and sometimes military power. Yes, the minor clans that make up each House could change leadership easily, however, the changing of the total political stance of any of the greater Houses would be very serious. Considering the concepts of honor and loyalty to Mandalorian culture, how would so many of the fleet and military be willing to defect to the cause of what is essentially an upstart looking to gain a modicum of power for his own ends, without any reason to back such an act up?

What concepts of honor? All the honor I've seen is, the only the strong shall lead, and if you get called out in single combat you had best fight. Loyalty seems to be only a "meh" thing considering Bo-Katan led an insurgency against Maul after he won.

Also, there "can be infighting?" More like there is infighting, enough to warrant a group of Mandalorians whose sole purpose is to prevent them from fighting. I.e. The Protectors (see: The Protectors of Concord Dawn; Rebels Recon)

Also, you have not established the faction as per the site rules, as posting an IC thread before the faction itself has been approved has already violated said rules. I would deem an Admin could make final ruling upon that fact, but it is inconsequential; both the thread and the history of the faction correlate to essentially bending the timeline canon on Mandalore as much as possible to allow this faction to exist. The Death Watch, and that is what this organization essentially is, are insurrectionists looking to undermine the government, even if they believe their motives to be pure.

This is hilariously dumb. I'm sorry. It just is. I'm sorry that I wanted to RP the formation of my faction instead of assuming that I could just have everything given to me. But we're not RPing as a faction, we're RPing as the formation of the faction, if you can't see that then I can't really help you.

Now, this is not a critique, simply a questioning. I have some suggestions to amend it; for one, unless you are writing the history in the format of propaganda, I would not make it out to assume that the canon Mandalorians are not in favor of the republic as a majority. Overall, I feel that Mandalore and its people enjoy a position of privilege in both the Border Alliance, as cofounders and a primary player in the Outer Rim warfront based on the timeline canon I was able to find, and within the Senate, seeing as they and the two other founders of the BA were able to speak their case well enough to gain at least a modicum of Senate backing.

Hilariously, this was actually thought up in a Think Tank where 4 of the Think Tank members for the site lore were in, and we've been discussing with Dmitri a little on the Faction, why they would be a thing, and Mandalore itself. I mean if @Dmitri wanted to say something to that affect he has me on skype and we discussed the faction in the Skype Mando chat before the faction even was posted. If he had an issue with the faction itself in that time since he could have messaged me on there to try and work any issues he had out or brought them to me here.

Also, I would wait to make assumptions upon what the government and operations on Mandalore are like until Dmitri finishes the Site Admin write-up on the planet to establish what is and is not site-canon, as discussed in this thread. Right now, and I recognize the Independent Faction Admin would need to make the final decision, I feel that both too much is being assumed with regards to the Mandalorian Revolutionaries' cause and founding, and that several of those assumptions are in direct opposition to the established timeline canon, for instance, that the government that helped found one of the main factions on the site is weak and neglectful of its own people.

You mean that thing we've sending him messages about since he posted it when we come up with a new idea since he pretty much asked us to help? Again, a government that forms a military alliance (the BA) doesn't mean it's a great government. Idk, maybe look at the USSR if you don't believe me?

What I do agree with is that this faction is devoted mostly to the creation of a Mandalorian Dominion. It is a way for players to perform as the Death Watch did in the Clone Wars series; which is perfectly acceptable, and certainly an entertaining piece to play out in character. However, I would suggest not attempting to cover that fact up. This is still going to be an insurrectionist faction against an established Canon world in the end, and if it was truly going to begin being built up in-character, then it would start out significantly smaller than a ragtag, but functional fleet of ships and an organization of 200 bodies.

Addendum: Sniped by Green Ranger, but the point stands.

While I certainly won't argue the Death Watch analogue, the actual intent and purpose of this faction is to allow players who are Mandalorians, who neither wish to be in, or unable to join the BA (due to faction slot limitations) play Mandalorians in a group setting with other Mandalorians. The actual specific idea of this being the Death Watch was never discussed among the two dozen participants of the skype chat made to help create the faction and the story arc. So, no, this was not intentionally way for people to play Death Watch in this timeline, if that's the way it turns out, that's fine, but to assume we intended it would be a false assumption on your part. The reason we are starting as a small group of insurrectionists is because there is no way we would be able to start with control of a world, much less a BA world, and that RPing out the "insurrection" (there really won't be one like everyone is thinking there will be) would be much more entertaining and fun.

So, how does 'You're not doing enough in the BA' translate to a rebellion/resistance movement with armed ships and stuff? Hell, how does being pro-BA translate into creating an Independant faction? Like, if I sound confused, it's because I genuinely am here, since this pitch just seems rather bizarre to me at the moment.

It just feels like there's a colossal disconnect between 'we disagree' and 'we're forming a resistance movement.' Why wouldn't, or couldn't, the same goals be achieved just by joining the BA? Mandalore's a BA world after all. The whole coup or resistance movement angle just seems like a weird leap to make given that the concerns over rulership are really tame.

Alright, I've attempted to partially answer part of your points above. I see your points, I feel they are fair. Allow me to go into a little more detail, yes? OOC, we have our own reasons for wishing to be an Independent faction, largely, we do not wish to be tied to the BA on that sort of level, and many people interested are already members in different factions.

First off, the whole "doing more/less for the BA" isn't why Ral wants to replace the leaders, but people keep bringing it up like it's the crux, it was more of as mall addendum, on which can easily be removed if it's that big of an issue. He's doing it because he personally views the leaders as being weak and ineffectual.

IC, Ral himself believes Mandalore can be great(er), and was effectively groomed to be a leading member of the Mandalorian government when he came of age. Admittedly, Ral doesn't see how the BA plays into his idea of a Mandalorian faction outside of a quasi-resistance/NATO sort of thing. He'd be effectively view the BA as a necessary evil, understanding why its needed, and not wishing to withdraw because he'd realize that's foolish, but not wanting to commit to it whole-heartedly so that Mandalore has all of its chips in the BA (I know what you're going to ask, and let me just stop you before you do, Ral would view this as diversification. He'd invest in the BA, because he'd view them as the current best chance of staying safe from the Sith, but he's not going to put everything in it should it fail) to this end, he'd seek to expand Mandalorian territory, and in that way would not only strengthen Mandalore, but he'd have more to invest in the BA later.

I'd view Ral as definitely not wishing to weaken the BA, but instead wishing to strengthen Mandalore independently of the BA. To use an analogy, it would be like the USA deploying more resources to some UN peacekeeping operation, while gearing up its military infrastructure and expanding its armed forces to do things that it doesn't need the UN/NATO for, so that it can do things without them.

Additionally, we have to remember that the Mandalorians believe (or at least the traditionalists do, and we don't really have a lot else to go on) that only the strong can lead. In the eyes of these Mandalorians, the current leaders aren't strong, they've just kept power by being underhanded. Now, you can say that to you their reasoning is tame, but IC, does it matter? They don't see it that way. This isn't a democracy sort of thing where it's okay to have a differing opinion, this is a culture who (apparently) finds the notion of single combat over a grievance to be perfectly acceptable. Why wouldn't they want to do something to replace their leaders? And since they, the current leaders, have shown to smash any signs of open resistance, wouldn't forming a secret insurgency work out better?

I don't even know, I'm ranting, it's late, and I have a cold which is making it hard to think (don't you love it when breathing makes your head hurt?). I'll try and be more coherent and cognizant tomorrow. In any case, I've always tried to be helpful and cooperative when I post things like this, so I hope I'm not coming off too confrontational, as I am willing to work with people to get this to work, but again, I'd like to remind those reading, that I was not the only one two come up with these ideas, there was a solid dozen or more who discussed the faction and the Mandalorian story arc at length.

 

[Green Ranger]

So...wait, hang on, before I get to the other stuff, there's a glaringly important thing that needs to be addressed here.

If I'm reading this right, one of the main things you mentioned here is that you're creating an Independant faction for Mandalorians, that more or less agrees with what Mandalore is doing, but wants to oust the ruling body in order to allow people to multi-faction through a technicality?

 

[Bardan Kex]

Is it wrong if part of the reason we want our own faction, is so we don't have to be a part of the BA? I mean a lot of that is coming from the fact that initially we went away from that due to the overwhelmingly negative response it got from the populous of the site. I mean, in SW fluff, a lot of that would come down to the Mandalorians seeming to be a very independent group, even when they are apart of something. So its like, "Yeah, we helped found the BA and its a good idea, but we aren't gonna be their lapdogs."

Something I tried (probably poorly) to get across in this thread was the Concept of "Mandalore First." Hence the "how can you help someone else, if you can't help yourself." Sure the BA is stronger together, but if the member states aren't somewhat strong on their own, its gonna fall apart as those members get removed. It sets up the BA more as (in my opinion) feeling like a legitimate alliance of states. You will always have those that just conform completely, but then there will be those that are sort of outliers the do the bare minimum to still be a member state, but ultimately the well being and security of their people comes first. That would be Mandalore vs the BA. The Mandalorian government is still a member of the Republic and very loosely of the BA, but they have their own concerns, after all they are one of the groups closest to the Sith. So while compared to less threatened or less militant outsiders the Mandalore and his government seems pretty spot on, its not enough to their people. They need to be more ready, more prepared. Its not a case of "Oh, we are doing enough." Its a case of we aren't doing enough, we want to be more independent of the BA, but still able to rely on them as allies, and how do you do that? By sending men to the BA for X amount of time in the hopes that this joint venture pays off and they help you, but at the same time you want to be able to make the hard choices, them or us? Our security or the security of another (non critical) world? If we arent secure, how can we hope to keep other people secure. We'd be saying one thing and trying to do another.

 

[Tsunami]

Holy cow, what a think to wake up to! This is intresting, all be it sort of heated.

Is it not the way of the world that two people can want the same thing, but disagree with the methods? At the moment the planet Mandalore is on the frontline in a war that is about to happen. I think it's more than logical that a group would see fit to remove a government that is not what they want, the same way as its logical that there will be those who don't agree and attempt to stop that from happening.

OCCly I really don't like the fact that some of the comments here are people pigeonholing a group into "People do this because they want to be badass, why not be peaceful etc..." To which I will only say this;

Have you made this point with the Sith? A culture in which the strongest survives, why don't they all put away their lightsabers and start using their force powers to build houses for the elderly.

The reason that is ridiculous, is because it is. People don't play Mandalorians because they want to be "badass warrior types" they play them because the culture appeals to them. There is a large amount of people who are interested in what this group is doing, maybe it needs some fine tuning and clarification due to obvious confusion however that's something that can always be worked out.

Never the less, hopefully the fact that this thread has be turned into a warzone, does not sway people from joining.

@Cameron Foster If you would like Kuro to join that's cool, is he not already in a faction however?

 

[Ral]

So...wait, hang on, before I get to the other stuff, there's a glaringly important thing that needs to be addressed here.

If I'm reading this right, one of the main things you mentioned here is that you're creating an Independant faction for Mandalorians, that more or less agrees with what Mandalore is doing, but wants to oust the ruling body in order to allow people to multi-faction through a technicality?

Agrees with what Mandalore is doing? If you mean people are like "yeah its probably a good thing to have friends with guns to fight with us," aka the BA sure, but I think that the BA alliance is just a largely unimportant concern in the face of Mandalorian internal politics, which is what the story arc the faction explores is about, ones which have literally nothing to do with the BA.

As for multi factioning? Hell no. Again, I OOC don't even want to be involved with the BA, I want the BA to do their fighting the Sith part, and I want the Mandos to go off and do their own story, but from an IC perspective that would he hard. So Dmitri would still be Senator and leader of the world from the Republic perspective and a person of importance who helps the BA. But when it comes to non Republic/BA issues Ral (or whoever) leads the people when doing Mando stuff.

 

[Marf]

mandos r funneh

 

[Elijah Brockway]

mandos r funneh

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[Marf]

fite mee

bring it bitch