Ferguson

[TWD26]

Disputing points and addressing the wider spectrum of the debate is pretty literally, adding to the debate mate.

No tolerance for bullshit, especially wilfully ignorant bullshit.

If it helps you sleep at night I'm ignorant, just as ignorant as you everyone is ignorant, I'm sorry that I didn't give you a boost in your ego by agreeing with you, but I'm not going to. If you want to have a civilized discussion we can.

Doesn't make it any more acceptable, though. He should not have been shooting, period.

I completely agree with this, I know quite a few cops in my family and things like that and you are trained to be as calm as possible. You only shoot If your life is truly endangered and in this case against an UNARMED man this was excessive force and he shouldn't be dead.- These incedents have lead to a lot of cops getting painted as fascists when a majority of them are good people.

But, there should be a national discussion about the police/prison system.

 

[Cainhurst Crow]

Doesn't make it any more acceptable, though. He should not have been shooting, period.

Yes. This shooting shouldn't have happened and I find the police response afterwarsds pretty bad.

I just doubt the previously stated theory that they walked up to brown while he was kneeling on the ground, put the gun to his head and shot him twice.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

But, there should be a national discussion about the police/prison system.

Indeed. I'm glad you mentioned the prison system too. That is completely messed up, especially the for-profit prisons that make their money based on how many prisoners they have.

 

[TWD26]

Indeed. I'm glad you mentioned the prison system too. That is completely messed up, especially the for-profit prisons that make their money based on how many prisoners they have.

Our country imprisons more people than any other first world nation. It's beyond acceptable. I may be pro government in most cases, but I'm willing to work out and compromise to make a better system.

 

[Rune]

Well, firstly, the shots to the head were the last shots. That is a fact that every medical examiner has confirmed. The others all ran up his arm and the side of his body. I'm not sure how far apart the shots were, time wise. They haven't confirmed that yet.

Now, this is just me here, but Brown was what? 6'4 or 6'5? Do you realize the crazy position he would have had to be in for the bullets to hit him like that? Especially the last bullet, in the top of his head, that went down into his brain.

Just sayin'...

 

[Brandon Rhea]

Our country imprisons more people than any other first world nation. It's beyond acceptable. I may be pro government in most cases, but I'm willing to work out and compromise to make a better system.

I'm often pro-government as well. I am very much a progressive.

This goes beyond politics.

 

[Cainhurst Crow]

Well, firstly, the shots to the head were the last shots. That is a fact that every medical examiner has confirmed. The others all ran up his arm and the side of his body. I'm not sure how far apart the shots were, time wise. They haven't confirmed that yet.

Now, this is just me here, but Brown was what? 6'4 or 6'5? Do you realize the crazy position he would have had to be in for the bullets to hit him like that? Especially the last bullet, in the top of his head, that went down into his brain.

Just sayin'...

Granted, if the corner themselves who preformed the autopsy didn't say it was entirely in the realm of possibility for such an angled shot to happen.

It's dangerous to feed into a narrative. And crazier things have happened in this world by the simple grace of chance and luck, good or bad.

 

[TWD26]

I don't know if it was an execution or if it was in defense, but I think we all can agree that shots should not have been fired that day.

 

[Cainhurst Crow]

Yes.

 

[Blaxican]

Any attempt to defend the police in this scenario means you are basically a Nazi.

"Hitler was against animal cruelty.

DO YOU WANT TO BE LIKE HITLER?"

 

[Liam]

"Hitler was against animal cruelty.

DO YOU WANT TO BE LIKE HITLER?"

Hitler was a human.

ALL HUMANS ARE NAZIS!!!

 

[Sovereign]

Tone it down, please. We've been having a good discussion here so far.

Here's some info. Preliminary reports from the autopsy suggest that Michael Brown was trying to surrender when he was shot. He was shot at least six times. The shot that killed him went through his brain. Brown was 6 foot 4, which suggests - and I could be wrong - that he was shot on the ground. That could potentially back up a witness report that claimed Brown was shot execution style, but that's speculation on my part.

Additionally, Governor Nixon has called off the curfew in Ferguson.

A coroner on CNN said that in order for Brown to be shot in the head like that, he either had to be:

1) Shot execution style.
2) Shot while falling (Most likely scenario, he said)
3) Shot while charging head first, like a bull (least likely scenario)

 

[Brandon Rhea]

A coroner on CNN said that in order for Brown to be shot in the head like that, he either had to be:

1) Shot execution style.
2) Shot while falling (Most likely scenario, he said)
3) Shot while charging head first, like a bull (least likely scenario)

Makes sense. Thanks for posting that. I agree that #2 is the most likely.

 

[Niklas]

I didn't say they were widespread, but I think we're just going to be running in circles here. We're on different sides of the Libertarian/Authoritarian Spectrums I feel.

Apathetarian is the way to go.



In all honesty, this situation sucks. I strongly support the views that Brandon and Kaeb have put forth, as I see this situation the same way. However. I've come to the conclusion that this is going to be one of those situations where no one is going to happy with the outcome. In all honesty, I think it's to be expected, even.


Nobody is going to like the way this thing will turn out. Their may be small victories for either sides of the spectrum, but I don't think that either party will BOTH be happy with the outcome.

 

[Kaeb]

I have no doubts about that, if shootings in America are anything to go by, your penchant for progress is incredibly stagnant.

This will likely not have a cathartic ending.

 

[Blaxican]

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...-eye-socket-during-encounter-with-mike-brown/

http://www.westernjournalism.com/re...ye-socket-fracture-altercation-michael-brown/

Never heard of these sites, so I can't speak to the legitimacy of their claims (which is why I tried to find at least one back-up source), but if Brown really did assault the cop with enough force to fracture bones, that changes the circumstances quite a bit.

Though at this point, I think there's a pretty solid distinction in issues between the shooting and the police' method of cracking down on the protesters. Even if the circumstances behind Brown's death aren't as malicious as was initially posited, the arming of police with military-grade hardware for use on civilians is still pretty alarming.

 

[Sovereign]

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...-eye-socket-during-encounter-with-mike-brown/

http://www.westernjournalism.com/re...ye-socket-fracture-altercation-michael-brown/

Never heard of these sites, so I can't speak to the legitimacy of their claims (which is why I tried to find at least one back-up source), but if Brown really did assault the cop with enough force to fracture bones, that changes the circumstances quite a bit.

Though at this point, I think there's a pretty solid distinction in issues between the shooting and the police' method of cracking down on the protesters. Even if the circumstances behind Brown's death aren't as malicious as was initially posited, the arming of police with military-grade hardware for use on civilians is still pretty alarming.

Unnamed sources on a right-wing blog. Way to go.

You can donate to the Michael Brown Memorial fund here:

http://www.gofundme.com/justiceformikebrown

 

[Blaxican]

Glad I made that preface then.

Thanks for the link, but I probably won't donate. ~6000 black men are killed in America annually- giving special attention to just one death on account of how publicized it is seems pretty knee-jerky.

Does remind me that I'm overdue on my yearly donations though.

 

[Horizon]

fascist military activity

you're so edgy

SUCH FASCIST

It's a shame though.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

if Brown really did assault the cop with enough force to fracture bones, that changes the circumstances quite a bit.

How?