United States Presidential Election, 2016

[Tom]

Dont get me wrong: I'm still voting for Hillary. Johnson won't become president, no matter what we do. He only has 11% of the poles, you need 15% so you can go and debate with the main candidate. He can't turn 11% into of the votes into more than half in a month.

And I am indeed voting for hillary. She's had experience, so, I can forgive her for 33,000 emails. But, I must say, that I think everyone is just choosing the lesser of 2 evils.

 

[Aleksandr]

Didn't want to edit this in because some people would miss it, but I am going to respond to a few more of the arguments from the previous page.


Ok please cite me a source of when Hillary has nuked Europe.


Source?


What is well documented?

You cannot just say something and then say "facts are facts" you need to cite sources


Personal choice that perhaps you will one day amend.

Ask anyone around September 1st 1939 and I promise they'll disagree with you.

quoted for truth.

Much of what I said comes from what Hillary Clinton said and what WikiLeaks has revealed her to have said/done.

As for authoritarianism, I don't see anything wrong with it. Because democracy has been working out oh-so well.

 

[Jabonicus]

Much of what I said comes from what Hillary Clinton said and what WikiLeaks has revealed her to have said/done.

As for authoritarianism, I don't see anything wrong with it. Because democracy has been working out oh-so well.

Then give us links, sources on all your information. If you're right, it shouldn't be that hard.

And I don't agree with authoritarian beliefs. What if they start doing things you don't approve of? Shit luck for you then.

 

[Aleksandr]

Well I do suppose I'm quite late to this thread, (roughly 30 pages late), sorry. I had to get some supplies. I skimmed through the past page, so I think I'll be dropping into this thread with my opinions now.

So allow us to get this straight: Every option in this presidential election is bad. The third parties aren't so bad, but if I choose one of the main candidates (I'm not even sure who I'll be voting for anymore), I will definitely feel like I'm slicing away a small large portion of my soul and feeding it into the ballot box.

Trump:

He's a truly disgusting candidate with absolutely no respect for women whatsoever. But i mean, that isn't really saying much because he doesn't respect blacks, mexicans, disabled people, war veterans, homosexuals or Jews, and he invaded poland sorry wrong person. He refuses to really back down off of anything he says wrong. And even when he 'apologized' for the recent tapes that were released, you could see it on his face that he didn't regret it, and then he immediately began to talk about how it was still better than Hillary. Better than that, he has also tried to dismiss it several times as okay. He's perverted, inexperienced, narcissistic, and completely unfit for duty. Oh and the fact that there is literally a new case every week out against him for raping a teenager or a younger woman.
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Hillary:

She's also a completely terrible candidate. She's got a whole host of scandals under her belt: Benghazi, the emails, harassing and threatening bill's victims, and the fact that people pop up dead when they pose a threat to Hillary (yeah it seems kinda conspiracyish but where there's smoke there's fire right?) She is most certainly owned by big corporation and corrupt. The sheer manner of how she was elected with the super delegates is just sketchy. I think she would do a poor job as president too, and lead the nation into scandals and conspiracies.
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Now Q&A:


Source please?


Source please?


Source please?

Source please?


Wat? But.. no. Putin is a very bad person. He is extremely against basic human rights for homosexuals, extensively corrupt, war mongering, need I go on?

You're right. I too sometimes get "hate mongering, fear mongering, rampant racism, rampant homophobia, rampant misogynistic opinions, and a lack of respect for disabled individuals and war heros" for "strong leadership and patriotism". I see where you're getting tripped up there.

Anyways, that's all the time we have for questions. Thanks for tuning in!

As I said, most of this information is based on what Hillary Clinton herself has said or revealed to have said/done by WikiLeaks.

More explanation can be found here, I suggest you watch:

As for Putin, there's nothing wrong with him. Gay rights should be limited, and so far the only "Warmongering" he has done has been in Russian self-defense.

Also, let's be perfectly clear here. Tsar Putin has spent his whole tenure systematically crushing the lawfully elected opposition, assassinating political opponents and detractors, and crushing the freedom of speech and expression that any proper democracy should have. If you think that this is the qualities of a good leader, I have nothing to say to you. Putin rules with an iron fist and he uses constitutional loopholes to ensure that he remains in power. I do not want a Vladimir Putin as the President of the United States of America.

We don't need a society built on divisive words. We have enough problems as is without having a Putin at the helm of a real first world nation.

Putin's benefits outweigh any negatives. Democracy is not a good form of government anyway.

 

[Aleksandr]

Show me the evidence. One that isn't a verbal comment by Trump

She wants a no-fly zone over Syria, even though everyone knows what that will lead to.

More information here:

 

[Aleksandr]

Well documented, eh? As evidenced by Trump trailing in the polls? Interesting evidence. How about the fact that Hillary is in fact broadening her lead over Trump? No? Maybe that his right wing backers are withdrawing support in the droves?

I repeat, not a single thing you've said aligns with reality.

The mainstream media has revealed by WikiLeaks to be helping Hillary completely, yet you take the polls they provide seriously? The polls are inaccurate and biased in her favor.

The pollsters also said Brexit wouldn't happen, and yet it did.

 

[Aleksandr]

Considering the annexation of Crimea, which is globally considered illegal, from Ukraine, Russia has done many acts against Ukraine, resulting in many civil conflicts and has left 10,000 dead, and 1.5 million people without homes. This is not to mention Russia's open advancement towards flat out war all throughout 2016.

Good to know you don't support my rights as a basic human being. I'm honestly curious, by what authority can you claim that I deserve less rights than you?

The Kiev regime's actions have resulted in the start of civil war, and the regime is continuing to commit genocide in Eastern Ukraine, in direct violation of the Minsk II agreement.

Not sure what you mean by advancement to flat-out war, but if you are referring to Syria, Russia has been bombing ISIS and other terrorists while the US has been crying about it. If anyone is moving towards war, it's the West.

 

[Marf]

Gay rights should be limited

That's quite upsetting reading that myself and many of my friends should have less rights than the next human because of our orientation.

 

[Green Ranger]

Ah yes, the prestigious and highly credible* Black Pigeon Speaks, who has created other critically acclaimed and obviously well-balanced and totally factual videos such as:

• The Transgender: Normalizing Mental Illness
• Diversity Destroys Social Cohesion in the West
• How Women Destroy Nation & Other Uncomfortable Truths (a two parter, how saucy)
• Research Shows Only Men Pay Taxes
• And MORE!

*post may contain high levels of sarcasm, but these are all actual vids on the channel. My previous accusation of crackpottery has now been upgraded to 'you're clearly a raving lunatic and we probably should stop engaging you on this topic for our own mental wellbeing.'

 

[Jabonicus]

Please tell me why you deserve more rights than me, I'm honestly curious as to how you can possibly devalue humans in such a manner.

 

[Gamov]

 

[Kaeb]

....why should Gay Rights be limited exactly?

If you're going to argue that an entire aspect of our species should be treated less equally than others, then you're gonna wanna back that shit up mate.

 

[Tom]

It hurts my brain that people are so much against gay rights. I just hate the parades, but the people that legit believe that people who are sexually attracted to the same gender don't deserve equal rights, holy crap, it hurts.

It's the same as racism dude. You're saying people should have limited rights for reasons that cannot be helped.

Being gay is not a choice, and is perfectly natural. Because if it were a choice... THAT MEANS WE'RE ALL BISEXUAL!

 

[Aleksandr]

Ah yes, the prestigious and highly credible* Black Pigeon Speaks, who has created other critically acclaimed and obviously well-balanced and totally factual videos such as:

• The Transgender: Normalizing Mental Illness
• Diversity Destroys Social Cohesion in the West
• How Women Destroy Nation & Other Uncomfortable Truths (a two parter, how saucy)
• Research Shows Only Men Pay Taxes
• And MORE!

*post may contain high levels of sarcasm, but these are all actual vids on the channel. My previous accusation of crackpottery has now been upgraded to 'you're clearly a raving lunatic and we probably should stop engaging you on this topic for our own mental wellbeing.'

Have you actually watched the video or any of the other videos? They are well-sourced and explain the situation well, so you just writing him off automatically without even watching the video / addressing the points he brought up just sounds like an excuse to get out of the argument. Once you watch the video I posted and respond to it, then we can continue.

You asked for sources, and then you ignore them.

 

[Aleksandr]

Please tell me why you deserve more rights than me, I'm honestly curious as to how you can possibly devalue humans in such a manner.

....why should Gay Rights be limited exactly?

If you're going to argue that an entire aspect of our species should be treated less equally than others, then you're gonna wanna back that shit up mate.

It hurts my brain that people are so much against gay rights. I just hate the parades, but the people that legit believe that people who are sexually attracted to the same gender don't deserve equal rights, holy crap, it hurts.

It's the same as racism dude. You're saying people should have limited rights for reasons that cannot be helped.

Being gay is not a choice, and is perfectly natural. Because if it were a choice... THAT MEANS WE'RE ALL BISEXUAL!

This would be going off-topic from the election but since all of you asked me I will respond.

Homosexuality is a mental illness, as far as I am concerned. As history shows, when a civilization declines, it loses morality and traditional values, and things such as homosexuality and other degenerate acts become more widespread and accepted. That was the case in the late Roman Empire, as one example. It goes against traditional values and is a sign of a society on its way to collapse. That is why I am against it.

As for human rights, I believe they should be limited. People should not be given absolute freedom to do whatever they want, because then they will quite likely end up harming others and/or their country.

 

[Kaeb]

I'll bite.
Why do you consider homosexuality to be a mental illness?

Are you aware that homosexuality and same gender relations have been prevalent - and in some cases in our history, viewed with an air of normalcy - in not just human history, but throughout our understanding of the animal kingdom as well?

Before we get to the rest, answer me that. We will go through this step by step.

 

[Jabonicus]

This would be going off-topic from the election but since all of you asked me I will respond.

Homosexuality is a mental illness, as far as I am concerned. As history shows, when a civilization declines, it loses morality and traditional values, and things such as homosexuality and other degenerate acts become more widespread and accepted. That was the case in the late Roman Empire, as one example. It goes against traditional values and is a sign of a society on its way to collapse. That is why I am against it.

As for human rights, I believe they should be limited. People should not be given absolute freedom to do whatever they want, because then they will quite likely end up harming others and/or their country.

I'm not even going to bother acting nice.

This is some of the most insulting bullshit that's been said to me in a LONG time.

Homosexuality is not a mental illness. It's about as much as a mental illness as the color of your skin. Now, let's say, just to humor your insulting opinion, that Homosexuality is a mental illness.... We treat it by horrible discrimination and abuse?

That's fucking sick.

I'm leaving this discussion, as I don't want to include myself in such toxic behavior or beliefs any more.

 

[Cheshire]

This would be going off-topic from the election but since all of you asked me I will respond.

Homosexuality is a mental illness, as far as I am concerned. As history shows, when a civilization declines, it loses morality and traditional values, and things such as homosexuality and other degenerate acts become more widespread and accepted. That was the case in the late Roman Empire, as one example. It goes against traditional values and is a sign of a society on its way to collapse. That is why I am against it.

As for human rights, I believe they should be limited. People should not be given absolute freedom to do whatever they want, because then they will quite likely end up harming others and/or their country.

im sorry and im gonna be very very blunt and very cold in saying this.

Your opinion is extremely stupid and bigoted. So please, keep your stupid ass opinion on homosexuality somewhere else. Like a gutter. Cause no one gives a shit

 

[Kaeb]

I'm not even going to bother acting nice.

This is some of the most insulting bullshit that's been said to me in a LONG time.

Homosexuality is not a mental illness. It's about as much as a mental illness as the color of your skin. Now, let's say, just to humor your insulting opinion, that Homosexuality is a mental illness.... We treat it by horrible discrimination and abuse?

That's ******* sick.

I'm leaving this discussion, as I don't want to include myself in such toxic behavior or beliefs any more.

im sorry and im gonna be very very blunt and very cold in saying this.

Your opinion is extremely stupid and bigoted. So please, keep your stupid ass opinion on homosexuality somewhere else. Like a gutter. Cause no one gives a shit

Doing nothing but insulting the guy isn't going to help anything, that'll just cause him to retreat more and cling to his views even more aggressively as a shield. I'll engage him if you guys won't.

 

[Cheshire]

Doing nothing but insulting the guy isn't going to help anything, that'll just cause him to retreat more and cling to his views even more aggressively as a shield. I'll engage him if you guys won't.

*shrugs* fair enough, I've had my fun.