United States Presidential Election, 2016

[Queen]

How is it that I knew that you would abandon thread? Don't get me wrong, if I found out a nazi was in here I would consider it, but yeah.

I'm not leaving.

Not until I win.

An argument has no winners, m8. People may think they win, but thats only in their own head.

Oh, yea, I've been stalking this argument and I kinda wanna voice my opinion

This would be going off-topic from the election but since all of you asked me I will respond.

Homosexuality is a mental illness, as far as I am concerned. As history shows, when a civilization declines, it loses morality and traditional values, and things such as homosexuality and other degenerate acts become more widespread and accepted. That was the case in the late Roman Empire, as one example. It goes against traditional values and is a sign of a society on its way to collapse. That is why I am against it.

As for human rights, I believe they should be limited. People should not be given absolute freedom to do whatever they want, because then they will quite likely end up harming others and/or their country.

Why should we limit rights? God gave us free-will (If He exists. I am starting to think He does, but am still questioning and struggling...) to do what we please-- It'd be stupid to take that away. You could say "But we take away murder, stealing, pedophilia, etc..." But that's because that actually hurts people. As a society we cannot have people running around doing those sorts of things. But, even IF homosexuality is wrong, does it really hurt anyone to see a gay couple? No. Also it doesn't hurt anybody in the relationship.

If you think it's wrong, just don't do it. It's as simple as that. Worry about yourself.

 

[Kaeb]

Can we all just to stop posting for a minute and give the guy a chance to respond?

Piling on isn't gonna help either.

 

[Tom]

Well first of all mate, I think you need to develop some thicker skin and look at it from the point of view that they are simply ill-educated or subtly brainwashed. Hating them is understandable for sure, but exacting that hate and fighting fire with fire solves nothing. You put the fire out, and you put it out with some that eases the earth beneath.

Compassion is the only way to do this shit right.

Oh, I tried that.

He never budged.

At all.

Thicker skin? How can I? He insulted my country, my people, threatened me and my family, accused me of shit that never happened, and a crap ton of other hateful and vile shit.

 

[Kaeb]

By their nature, they're idiotic, why get that offended by someone with a minuscule ill-informed opinion?

Just educate.

 

[Tom]

By their nature, they're idiotic, why get that offended by someone with a minuscule ill-informed opinion?

Just educate.

I wasn't offended.

I was pissed off.

 

[Kaeb]

I wasn't offended.

I was pissed off.

........

wut?

 

[Tom]

........

wut?

I was pissed off at him. I was pissed off that he ACTUALLY THOUGHT HIS OPINION HAD ANY WEIGHT!

 

[Kaeb]

I was pissed off at him. I was pissed off that he ACTUALLY THOUGHT HIS OPINION HAD ANY WEIGHT!

Dude, it's the fucking internet. Calm the hell down.

 

[Dmitri]

Let's try to stay on track, guys. This is about the US election. If you want to discuss homosexuality in a mature and respectful manner, do so in another thread.

 

[Kaeb]

Let's try to stay on track, guys. This is about the US election. If you want to discuss homosexuality in a mature and respectful manner, do so in another thread.

That's likely to be a disaster.

This is still loosely related to the topic at hand and it's only natural that sub topics crop up and I've already asked that we not pile on and engage it respectfully, so I will, once Aleksandr has his chance to respond.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

That's likely to be a disaster.

This is still loosely related to the topic at hand and it's only natural that sub topics crop up and I've already asked that we not pile on and engage it respectfully, so I will, once Aleksandr has his chance to respond.

Weiss said move on. That was a group decision from the admins to keep this thread on track (I saw the conversation on Skype). If you all want to continue this point of topic, you can do so in another thread.

 

[Kaeb]

Weiss said move on. That was a group decision from the admins to keep this thread on track (I saw the conversation on Skype). If you all want to continue this point of topic, you can do so in another thread.

I'm not quite sure I understand why though?
That's almost never worked in the past, it's a very brief turn of point, I can't see why we can't just have a couple of posts about it within a topic, rather than just having a thread where inevitably 20 people just pile on Aleksandr until it's closed, it just seems like an inevitable can of worms.

Unless Aleksandr agreed to come into a Skype chat conversation himself to resolve this kind of point that might make some people uncomfortable with interacting with him, especially the younger members of the community and those in the community who are LGBT.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

Then don't continue the conversation at all if you don't think it will continue well in another thread.

This isn't a negotiable point. Move on.

 

[Kaeb]

It can work in THIS capacity rather than that one, which will simply be a pile on. What I've been trying to do is have a more 1 on 1 conversation but one that's publicly viewed so responses are checked and verified to be fully understood.

Otherwise, cancelling it outright like this resolves nothing and his views just appear left to fester and make everyone else uncomfortable.

So congrats admins, this resolves nothing etc.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

Lock.

The admins will re-open this once participants have had a chance to cool off and not derail the thread.

 

[Padmé]

Unlocking this thread with the assumption that you all will stay on topic and at least act like adults.

 

[Gamov]

act like adults.

You can't tell me what to do!

 

[Jabonicus]

act like adults.

2016 election.

Ha.

 

[Padmé]

You can't tell me what to do!

Just remember- your wife is in agreement with the above.
Ziiiiing

 

[Dawyn]

This would be going off-topic from the election but since all of you asked me I will respond.

Homosexuality is a mental illness, as far as I am concerned. As history shows, when a civilization declines, it loses morality and traditional values, and things such as homosexuality and other degenerate acts become more widespread and accepted. That was the case in the late Roman Empire, as one example. It goes against traditional values and is a sign of a society on its way to collapse. That is why I am against it.

As for human rights, I believe they should be limited. People should not be given absolute freedom to do whatever they want, because then they will quite likely end up harming others and/or their country.

I highly doubt homosexuality had anything to do with the collapse of the Roman Empire, given that it was pretty widespread and arguably encouraged to some degree throughout the late Republic until at least until the rise of Christianity. Granted it did not ever receive official marital status, but marriages born purely out of love were not as common as they are today and it was more about family formation and/or alliance forming at various levels. What was much, much more damaging were the constant civil wars, the economic decline of the Western Roman Empire and the overreliance on slaves, the decision to split the empire into two, mass migration on an unprecedented scale along with invasions, the corruption, and incompetence within the governmental system, the decline of the Roman legions, and more. The loss of civic values may have contributed to this to some degree, but the new Christian values, if anything, restricted homosexuality more than it was previously. Arguably, the most important "traditional value" of Rome that was violated was the Republican virtue of solving political disputes without violence, and that suffered a mortal blow when the Gracchi brothers were murdered, and died when Sulla marched on Rome for the first time in its history, setting the stage for Roman decline nearly 500 years before it fell (and the same point could be made for the Byzantines, whose fall to the Turks were just as much a product of their own civil/successionist wars and failed governmental policies as Turkish/Arab military ingenuity).