The Order of Revan

[Caine]

I need to speak with one I have a point I always wanted to make. Force lightning is considered dark because it's fueled by emotions and can be used to kill. How is to kill somebody in that way considered dark but to kill somebody with a force push off a cliff or into a wall not? Choking somebody with the force is just a use of telekenisis which is also not considered to be dark but can still kill.
The light side abilities are just as capable of killing as the dark side abilities, the only difference is when the Jedi do it they're emotionless. I'm not sure about you but I'd consider the order that essentially want to turn you into a psychopath with powers to be more evil then the one that just encourages you to be true to who you are.

Hell looking at force lightning more, your delivering an electrical charge into the body. If you could control the charge enough you could use it to jump start a persons heart instead of kill them.

 

[Caine]

I'm using the quote from my signature as my characters opening speech to every student he takes in the order it fits so well for all of this, just be who you are, who you decide you are meant to be, your actions are what make you light or dark not an arbitrary title like Sith or Jedi or a tool you use, defending your life with force lightning is no more dark then defending it with a force push, a red lightsaber is no more evil then a blue or green one.
In the words of Mace Windu. all labels are misleading.

" I have known you since the world was born, everything you are is what you should be, everything you should be is what you are, I know all of you, and there is nothing in you I do not love. "
" Be not afraid, child, be what you are. "

 

[Braden]

Well it will be interesting if we can get some Jedi. To have these sorts of RP's discussing both sides of the force. As that is really the fundamentals of The Order, finding a balance between Light and Dark. I am hoping that once we do get accepted to maybe get some missions up which will get us to interact with the Jedi as well. Though whoever takes it has to deny all knowledge of the Order, just preach.

 

[Caine]

Probably not me, Dante is more of a shooty shooty stabby stabby kind then a preacher.

 

[Braden]

Well their will be missions for Stabby Stabby people as well, though we would need to make sure such stabbings do not go against The Order's principles. IE causing turmoil in the galaxy. More likely be against criminals. Though I have an idea to have every mission have a dark or light side objective and its up to the people on the mission to decide which one to take. Both will have positives and negatives.

 

[Caine]

That'll be interesting to see.

 

[Xan]

@Braden Drake Haha Don't worry, Xanthus's skillset encompasses more than just assassination and infiltration. I mean him to help teach Force stuff to the rest of the group. Anyway, that being said, how do you want to continue? A meeting thread between Xan and someone, or just have it be automatic?

 

[Caine]

We need to be approved first :).

 

[Braden]

First bug the admins until they approve us. Then its up to you really on what way to start if you want to start getting up the ranks quickly I would say have the join as an initiate automatic and then we can get the first mission done to get you promoted.

 

[Caine]

Well Dante ain't becoming battle master now, on the plus side. less work for him :). Dante wouldn't last 30 seconds in a fight against Xanthus.

 

[Xan]

Ha That might be true, but if Xanthus would be going for any title it would be Force Master. Anyway, don't worry, Xanthus is gonna offer lessons to any who wish to learn, so you can be a good Battle Master yet! Speaking of titles, I'm not too worried about the speed of ranking up. Xanthus isn't really all that concerned with rank, and neither am I. I'm just somewhat impatient to get back to rping. :cool: Finally, it might be a worthwhile idea to message the faction admin and tell him that you have the proper number of interested characters required to become an official faction.

 

[Caine]

The training he needs is mostly outside of your area sadly. Weapons wise I think Dante surpasses Xanthus, excluding lightsabers which he can't use and wouldn't even if he could. Teras Kasi it depends what skill level Xanthus actually is but at this point Dante mostly just needs experience using it in actual combat to take the final step from adept to master.
Force powers wise the majority of your skills are no good to Dante anyway because he couldn't use them, he has the raw force potential but his abilities are limited to those that revolve around his body and mind. So the only 2 skills he could learn from you are Tutaminis and Augmentation.

@Xan

 

[Xan]

Ah, I see. Yeah, he could help you to a degree with augmentation, but you're definitely right about needing training that is largely outside of Xanthus's purview. There's always good ole sparring if you need it though. :D

 

[Caine]

Well Tutaminis he can learn since that is essentially a physical ability, but other then those two yeah. But he's also joined the Matukai order so he'll learn most of what he needs to know from them. I don't think Dante would spar with him though it'd have the completely opposite effect he's going for, he would learn because losing would make him angry and it's only when his emotions are in control that he can actually use the force.
But the more he losses the more he'd pull away from the order, since his partner died and he couldn't save him he's felt guilty, if he's losing he'll just consider himself to be of no use and leave before he gets somebody else killed.

@Xan

 

[Xan]

Intriguing. Well tutaminis is one of Xanthus's best skills, so there's something. Also that's an interesting character view.

 

[Caine]

I was testing a new personality for him, in the new timeline if the idea I put to Padme is accepted then the recreated Dante in that will be far more interesting.

This Dante was essentially born weak in the force but his family pass on matukai teachings from one to the next so training in that from about 6 years old his force strength has vastly increased, problem is he has 0 control over it. His ability to wield the force is tied in directly to his emotions so trying to control the force like is generally taught is impossible for him if he tries he just losses his ability to feel it at all, learning to use the force for Dante is an interesting process of learning the skill then finding a way of tying it to his emotions so he can draw on it when he needs it.
At present he knows 3 skills that he uses whenever he needs them but he's not even aware that they're force skills, he was told by the Jedi because he had no control he could never be 1 so he's convinced what he can do is just natural skill and he's going to need to learn how to actually draw on his powers.

 

[Braden]

@Xan Well I'm sure Braden would like to learn a few things off him.

FYI we now have Code back on the first page.

 

[Valatrux]

I could also use the help of Xan, I also was swirling an idea of creating some sort of "suicide squad" for our more sinister members. Top secret highly classified missions most wouldn't want to take part in, just a theory however for a certain segment of the order

 

[Gamov]

@Braden Drake, @Caine, @Valatrux

As promised, I said I would have an answer as to how things worked out with my other offer.

Unfortunately, while there seems to be nothing keeping me from taking part in both this and the other thing, I'm going to focus my efforts on the other offer. After careful consideration, the other offer has the potential for providing a more engaging moral grey area for me to play with as my intentions going forward with Mila is to truly challenge her perceptions of the galaxy and test the true depth and strength of her convictions. Not to say the Revanites wouldn't or couldn't do that, but with them being founded primarily by Sith - and headquartered in Sith space - there exists the possibility for an unintentional conflict of interest both OOCly and ICly.

All that said, I'll be keeping my eye on the Revanites as they move forward, and hope to see you guys start making a name for yourselves.

 

[Caine]

Yeah I've been pointing that out in pm. Our equality based orders entire command structure is going to be Sith and former Sith. All of our npc force users are Sith. 10 of our 11 total force users are Sith and former Sith.

We have a serious lack of balance.