The big question

[Phil]

wat.

To be specific, Brandon put everything on hold on November 1st.

 

[Johnnysaurus Rex]

The rank structure has been a reoccurring theme in this thread and those in the past, so I figured I would go ahead and present my idea on the matter to get everyone's take on it. I think it makes much more sense on a cultural level than the current system.

1. Mand'alor bal Al'ori'ramikade (Mandalore and Leader of the Supercommandos)

2. Alor (clan leader; the alore serve as advisers to the Mand'alor on clan matters and the war effort, and also assist in managing logistical/economical operations)

3. Al'akaan (war leader; equivalent to a general; often commands multiple alor'ade during a specific campaign or key engagement; there are usually no more than three at any given time)

4. Alor'ad (captain; equivalent to a real world colonel; often commands several vessels during naval engagements; considered an al'akaan when leading a major battle group, fleet, or other large task force; commands two al'verde) 12 NPCs

5. Al'verde (commander; equivalent to a real world major; often commands a cruiser, carrier, or destroyer during naval engagements or an element of one-hundred and sixty to three-hundred and twenty warriors during surface engagements; commands two ver'alore) 10 NPCs

6. Ver'alor (lieutenant; equivalent to a real world captain/1st lieutenant; often commands a single corvette, frigate, or light cruiser during naval engagements or an element of forty to eighty warriors during surface engagements; commands four ruus'alore) 8 NPCs

7. Ruus'alor (sergeant; often commands an element of twenty warriors during surface engagements or a single dropship, gunship, or light corvette during naval engagements or planetary invasions) 6 NPCs

8. Alor'uus (corporal; the most experienced and skilled warrior, second only to the sergeant he or she is serving under; often commands a team of four to eight warriors) 4 NPCs

9. Verd (a skilled warrior and veteran of at least one battle or campaign) 2 NPCs

10. Verd'ika (a young, untested warrior who has yet to participate in a battle, but has passed his or her verd'goten and is considered an adult; usually around thirteen to fifteen years old unless recently adopted into the culture at an older age) 1 NPC

Agreed it is cool culturally. In an RP stance though it would force members outside the faction to have to constantly look at our roster to find the equivalents. Even non-practiced members who are in the faction would have to refer to it from time to time. In the games and even the novels I read Mandos were referred to the Basic rank and I see no need to further complicate things.

The Mandalorian culture is rich as much as its language is, but there is no need to cram it down anyone's throats if they are more casual RPers interested in roleplaying a Mando.

 

[Veritas et Lux]

Agreed it is cool culturally. In an RP stance though it would force members outside the faction to have to constantly look at our roster to find the equivalents. Even non-practiced members who are in the faction would have to refer to it from time to time. In the games and even the novels I read Mandos were referred to the Basic rank and I see no need to further complicate things.

The Mandalorian culture is rich as much as its language is, but there is no need to cram it down anyone's throats if they are more casual RPers interested in roleplaying a Mando.

Agreement with Johnny... Not that I'm one of these people that doesn't want to delve into the culture, I do however agree that there are more casual rpers out there that don't want the language shoved down their throat.

 

[Veritas et Lux]

P.S., Bloo- Mandalore Mitya would probably make peoples head explode :D

well... honestly, I would love it. I'd totally be up for maknig an entire new person though just for mandalore. It might be mitya's daughter or something and be thirty six years later where she still looks like her mother because Mitya used alchemy to make her age three times slower, but hey maybe (probably) not xD

lol

 

[Vencu]

Each rank and their translations are listed. Who said anyone had to use the Mando'a variants over the Basic translations? This isn't being shoved down anyone's throats. It's no different than learning strange alien names for Star Wars species, planets, weapons, and ships... How many of those have you learned over the years? Do you blame Lucas for forcing them on you?

Regardless, I believe striving for realism and depth should be the goal of every role-player. I'm not forcing that opinion on any of you, though. As I pointed out, the Basic translations could be used by anyone who doesn't want to learn ten Mando'a words.

 

[Dmitri]

Each rank and their translations are listed. Who said anyone had to use the Mando'a variants over the Basic translations? This isn't being shoved down anyone's throats. It's no different than learning strange alien names for Star Wars species, planets, weapons, and ships... How many of those have you learned over the years? Do you blame Lucas for forcing them on you?

Regardless, I believe striving for realism and depth should be the goal of every role-player. I'm not forcing that opinion on any of you, though. As I pointed out, the Basic translations could be used by anyone who doesn't want to learn ten Mando'a words.

For the record, people tend to blame Lucas for a lot of things. First it was the Jews. Then the Blacks and Women. And now George Lucas. :GL

 

[Johnnysaurus Rex]

Each rank and their translations are listed. Who said anyone had to use the Mando'a variants over the Basic translations? This isn't being shoved down anyone's throats. It's no different than learning strange alien names for Star Wars species, planets, weapons, and ships... How many of those have you learned over the years? Do you blame Lucas for forcing them on you?

Regardless, I believe striving for realism and depth should be the goal of every role-player. I'm not forcing that opinion on any of you, though. As I pointed out, the Basic translations could be used by anyone who doesn't want to learn ten Mando'a words.

The species, planets, and ships are a lot more universal and members have more of a chance to have been exposed to them. To be even more fair Lucas has far more credit for SW, but that is neither here nor there.

Like I said, I can see how awesome it would be RP wise; but with this system you essentially create two names for a rank. Imagine someone RPing with Mandalorians who are non-Mando. One uses the Mando'a and the other uses Basic. You'd have to juggle the ranks especially if they are referring to someone simply by rank. I do it with Onoveus. You refer to someone as sergeant and in the next post the ruus'alor is commanding his verd to follow the al'verde's orders.

 

[Loco]

The Mando'a and Basic versions are completely interchangeable though, so really, if someone doesn't remember or know the Mando'a form of the word then there's nothing stopping them from using basic. And if an outsider wants o know, it's easy to look up- of course, for our enemies, knowing what the Mando'a word is would be metagaming anyway. As it stands now, most of our ranks already have a Mando'a translation.

I don't see any harm in the idea, per se, and it would be more accurate, it just might take a small amount of extra work on somebodies part occasionally.

 

[Johnnysaurus Rex]

I don't see any harm in the idea, per se, and it would be more accurate, it just might take a small amount of extra work on somebodies part occasionally.

But there's no reason to add something that is going to complicate things. Other people who are familiar with Mandos in other works outside of SWRP are familiar with Mandos going by basic ranks (as they were in KOTOR).

 

[Loco]

But there's no reason to add something that is going to complicate things. Other people who are familiar with Mandos in other works outside of SWRP are familiar with Mandos going by basic ranks (as they were in KOTOR).

We can still do that though, since these all have Basic translations. Which language you use would be entirely up to the player when he's posting. Essentially, it'd be the same exact thing we already have, just with a more complete list to work with.

 

[Bad Wolf]

Just a suggestion, why doesn't someone put the Mando'a dictionary in the mando section so players can refer back to it rather than having to hunt through crap tons of useless internet sights?

 

[Loco]

Just a suggestion, why doesn't someone put the Mando'a dictionary in the mando section so players can refer back to it rather than having to hunt through crap tons of useless internet sights?

That would be an excellent idea. The link to the Basic/Mando'a dictionary is in my sig. I can make a thread, or someone can just take the link, so we can sticky it somewhere prominent?

 

[Veritas et Lux]

I think that if you decide to complicate things by giving ranks two names, than by all means do it. However, I say this carefully as not to confuse anyone; the writer of the post should have to use a ( * ) mark near mando'a words, than an appendix at the bottom of their post ... :D

 

[Loco]

I think that if you decide to complicate things by giving ranks two names, than by all means do it. However, I say this carefully as not to confuse anyone; the writer of the post should have to use a ( * ) mark near mando'a words, than an appendix at the bottom of their post ... :D

I just link the Dictionary in my sig- if somebodies wants to know what a particular word or phrase means, all they have to do is copy paste it into the translator.

And like I said- this is not any different than the system we already have. There are already Mando'a words for almost all of our ranks- in fact, Cordens list uses many of them that are already in place.

 

[Phil]

If the majority is not a fan of this, then it should not be mandatory. I suggest asking more people instead of just going with it. Some people are going to find it a hassle to constantly go here just to see what someone speaking in that language means.

 

[Horizon]

Last time I saw some dude using the language, he typed in a translated phrase within parentheses right behind it.

 

[Johnnysaurus Rex]

And like I said- this is not any different than the system we already have. There are already Mando'a words for almost all of our ranks- in fact, Cordens list uses many of them that are already in place.

My grievance is not with any differences in the rank. It's the added complication of the new terminology. For example. Have some people call banannas "derhing'yors". I'd have to ask or look up whatever word you are using for banana.

Last time I saw some dude using the language, he typed in a translated phrase within parentheses right behind it.

Loco does it all the time. It makes him awesome.

 

[Vencu]

I've always included the translations to Mando'a words and sentences within my posts in italics directly after the dialogue itself. There are a number of easy fixes when it comes to translating, but this isn't about the language as a whole. No one said that you were required to learn it all. This is about ten words that aren't familiar to a number of people and they are worried about the hassle of opening an "Informal Rank Structure" post in the Mandalorian sub-forum and looking one or two of them up on the occasion that someone doesn't list the translations.

Look back in any of the threads Loco or myself have participated in using Mando'a here and there... no one has ever voiced a complaint. If translations aren't listed, they're implied. It's quite simple. I'm not sure what everyone's aversion to new words is... are you afraid of being labeled a fanboy? A Fandalorian? I learn the names of new technologies, Force powers, planets, ships, species, and all sorts of things each time I read anything about Star Wars. It really is no different than that. The only way it would be different is if you were required to learn the entire language and even I don't know it all. Anyway... I mean no offense to any of you. I'm just trying to understand everyone's point of view.

 

[Johnnysaurus Rex]

I've always included the translations to Mando'a words and sentences within my posts in italics directly after the dialogue itself. There are a number of easy fixes when it comes to translating, but this isn't about the language as a whole. No one said that you were required to learn it all. This is about ten words that aren't familiar to a number of people and they are worried about the hassle of opening an "Informal Rank Structure" post in the Mandalorian sub-forum and looking one or two of them up on the occasion that someone doesn't list the translations.

Look back in any of the threads Loco or myself have participated in using Mando'a here and there... no one has ever voiced a complaint. If translations aren't listed, they're implied. It's quite simple. I'm not sure what everyone's aversion to new words is... are you afraid of being labeled a fanboy? A Fandalorian? I learn the names of new technologies, Force powers, planets, ships, species, and all sorts of things each time I read anything about Star Wars. It really is no different than that. The only way it would be different is if you were required to learn the entire language and even I don't know it all. Anyway... I mean no offense to any of you. I'm just trying to understand everyone's point of view.

I have no problems with new words, but I just try to make things easiest for the person RPing across from. You are all free to do what you please and I am by no means in a place to stop anyone. I am just voicing my concerns.

As an example I see it like math teaching someone a math problem. There may be two equations to doing something, one shorter than the other. the longer version is nice, can teach some other principles, and demonstrate your knowledge of the subject; but for the sake of those I am working with I'll give them a simple solution.

 

[Vencu]

If someone is using Mando'a in their role-play, they should be considerate enough to provide the translations in some form or another. It isn't just for other Mando role-players, but for anyone that might be reading. I think that is something we can all agree on, right? Obviously nothing is being set in stone here. This is just a discussion.