The big question

[Veritas et Lux]

I'm just going to dive right into it.
Feelings/rules towards/against training mandalorians in the way of the force?

For military sanctioned?

How about for not military sanctioned?

 

[Syn]

Well there was at one point an attempt in canon for Mandalorian Knights.

 

[Veritas et Lux]

lool, Im talking RULES woman! :CStern

:CHappy

 

[Syn]

oh ah I do believe in the Laws of Mandalore they are allowed. Or you can have training as long as you don't use it in detriment to your duties. Still have to do the physical and mental aspects of being mandalorian but having a sixth sense for combat can come in handy

 

[Loco]

It pretty well goes against Mandalorian philosophies, and would not make sense.

While our modern Mandos have come to accept those that are Force sensitive, and even those who are/have been Jedi, the way the culture views actual force use itself would make it pretty nonsensical to actively create Mandos who actively practice using the Force. Using the force to do something that could otherwise be accomplished physically, you're cheating yourself. It's not honorable. Practically speaking, a full on Force Wielding Mandalorian would be extremely dangerous. But if you look at their culture and their values, the way they value an individuals worth- they would never do it.

...but having a sixth sense for combat can come in handy ..

Damri is actually a relatively strong Force sensitive, and is perfectly capable of using the Force if he wants to. That little inner cricket that all Jedi seem to have working for them, that manifestation of luck and life force that you can't turn off- the Jedis spidey senses- is the only power that Damri allows to manifest, primarily because no Jedi seems to be able to turn it off. It's a point of personal struggle, because of his Mandalorian cultural values.

 

[Sreeya]

This has actually been brought up in the think tank. Once that gets done, it'll be a part of the revision for the faction.

 

[Bad Wolf]

I personally have an issue with force using mandalorians, if you think about it Jedi/Sith/Imperial knight culture tains you to harness the force to make yourself stronger, faster, and more rugged.

Mandalorian training teaches you TO be faster, stronger and more rugged, using the force is for those that can't under go the rigorous training Mandalorians do.

Jedi/Sith/Imperial Knight=Samurai

Mandalorian=Spartan

 

[Sreeya]

Erm, you're downplaying Force users quite a bit by saying they're incapable of going through rigorous training. That's simply not true.

Edit: But I will agree that Mando training hones someone physically beyond their limits so they can definitely stand up against Force users and shouldn't be considered any less. I think that's what you meant :P

 

[Loco]

This has actually been brought up in the think tank. Once that gets done, it'll be a part of the revision for the faction.

:CCry2

< wants info.

 

[Sreeya]

It'll be pretty soon, actually. We all pretty much got our thoughts in.

 

[Veritas et Lux]

Erm, you're downplaying Force users quite a bit by saying they're incapable of going through rigorous training. That's simply not true.

Edit: But I will agree that Mando training hones someone physically beyond their limits so they can definitely stand up against Force users and shouldn't be considered any less. I think that's what you meant :P

exactly... im talking about not using the force against the codes, but in combat... heh so just wondering, but anyone want to learn it or no?
also. mitya was a jedi MASTER ... she's going to pwn on the battlefield, considering she's been going/ still going through intensive mando training

 

[Loco]

exactly... im talking about not using the force against the codes, but in combat... heh so just wondering, but anyone want to learn it or no?
also. mitya was a jedi MASTER ... she's going to pwn on the battlefield, considering she's been going/ still going through intensive mando training

@Bolded: That is exactly something a Mandalorian would seek not to do. If you beat your opponent by using an advantage (The Force) that he could never hope to obtain through physical means, you haven't proved your superiority- which is what personal combat is about. Proving that you are the better fighter.

Being Force sensitive is fine. Actively using the Force to gain an advantage is not.

 

[Bad Wolf]

Yes sreeya that's actually what I was getting at, I wasn't saying force users don't go through rigorous training, was just saying that the training mando's go through put them on par with standard force users, having the force as a mando is just.....it just feels wrong.

 

[Loco]

Yes sreeya that's actually what I was getting at, I wasn't saying force users don't go through rigorous training, was just saying that the training mando's go through put them on par with standard force users, having the force as a mando is just.....it just feels wrong.

What's missing is the separation between the Force, it's wielder, and the actual act of wielding it. Force users are not inherently stronger because of their Force sensitivity. Jedi and Sith are made strong through their training in how to control and use their Force Sensitivity. The Force can be present in someone who is not strong. The Force can be present in someone who is strong, but not trained in its use. A person can also be strong, be trained in the Force, and choose not to use it. That's why simply being Force sensitive or trained in its use are not automatic preclusion to being a Mandalorian. Mandalorian is not a race, or a job (or a military unit), or a galactic conglomerate- it's a culture and a way of life.*

[/emotional diatribe]

EDIT:

*As an after thought, I think it's worth mentioning that this is why some of us, Corden in particular, raise a little hell about things like this (or about the military structure, for example, even though I understand the practical applications of it on the site). I realize some people are just in it for the armor and the scary reputation, but there is an incredibly rich field of source material to pull from for Mandos, compared to other species and societies in the canon. It would be nice to see it show through more often.

 

[Veritas et Lux]

all i have to say is I do believe that it depends on the philosophies/beliefs of the mandalorians after the think tank decides.

One could argue loco's point of view, however, one could also argue that being a force weilder is as natural as anything else to someone, and using it would not be dishonorable at all, especially for the ppurposes of battle.

 

[Loco]

all i have to say is I do believe that it depends on the philosophies/beliefs of the mandalorians after the think tank decides.

A lot of things will definitely ride on their decisions. I believe, however, that they would have to fundamentally change the established canon on the Mandalorians, their culture, and their history.

One could argue loco's point of view, however, one could also argue that being a force weilder is as natural as anything else to someone, and using it would not be dishonorable at all, especially for the ppurposes of battle.

Think of it like this; You're physically stronger/faster than your opponent- that's ok, because he could have put in the time at the Gym too. You're a better shot than your opponent- that's ok, because he chose not to put in the range time. You've got a better bang stick than your opponent- he chose not to spend his money equipping himself. You can use the Force- there is no way in hell, no matter what this non-Force sensitive guy does, that he'll ever be able to conjure up a decent Force push.

It's that use of an advantage that your opponent could never hope to match, no matter how determined he is or how much he tries, that makes it dishonorable. Mandalorians have a sort of respect for their opponents, and they've shown this in canon, that I feel would prevent them from ever feeling like this is an acceptable course of action.

The exception to that, I think, may be if your opponent is also a Force user. I think it would be considered perfectly honorable to use your Force powers to fight a Sith, for instance- I don't think the situation has ever come up in all of recorded Mando history, however, so I couldn't say for sure.

 

[Veritas et Lux]

Im talking about fighting the sith... and occasionally npc

 

[Loco]

Im talking about fighting the sith... and occasionally npc

I think in the context of fighting A Sith, as in, a full on saber wielding, lightning tossing Force user (as opposed to their countless non-sensitive troops) it would be acceptable. Only because it's an advantage that your opponent has equal access to. Still though, it'd be like cheating at cards just because you know the guys across from you already has an ace in his sleeve. Creating a unit specifically for this purpose (to be active Force users), I do not think would be kosher.

 

[Bad Wolf]

Mandalorians have intense rigorous training and lots and lots of high tech gadgets and weaponry at their disposal, that is the Mandalorian advantage.

 

[Veritas et Lux]

okay than, no training in force activity, how are feelings against mitya using it and the lightsaber? Since we're on the subject.