Medical Corruption - OOC

[Cazar]

Cazar is using the wall as cover he didn't turn around he was waiting for vic to come to him. When vic was being slow he decided to help her by shooting at the Jedi some more to cover her. It isn't a 180 it's just him peeking back out and shooting which takes no time.

 

[Great Jamie]

Hold on a second, Octadar hasn’t been shot whatsoever. Vic never actually fired anything, she was force pushed back before firing anything. And wasn’t Cazar heading to the shuttle bay?

 

[Cazar]

What? Octadar was ruled as shot in the back. Then Vic shot him in the back of head to make sure he was dead. She shot him before the Jedi attack. Cazar was waiting for Vic to lead them there but it seems she isn't moving to him so he didn't leave.

 

[Nefieslab]

"Let go!" He squeaked as he fired two stun bolts at the Jedi right before disappearing behind the wall into the hallway. "Senator dead, we go!"

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That reads to me different to him taking cover behind the wall - reads as him turning the corner and going on. I can see him changing his mind, but he's not mentioned to be taking cover at all

@Cazar

 

[Cazar]

That literally says he disappears behind the wall and is urging vic to come to him. He doesn't run down the hall, he is hiding from the Jedi and using it as cover to wait for Vic to get to him.

 

[Nefieslab]

Yeah, disappears behind the wall - so he has no indication Lucian is attacking Vic until he already has done

And again, there's no mention of him using it as cover or hiding from the Jedi - it reads that he's turned the corner and nothing in the rest of that post says he's ready to fire again or even looking to do so. The post says he's going to lead them to the ship?

 

[Cazar]

It says he is going to lead them to the ship yes. Which implies he is waiting for her. It does not imply he turned the corner and is gone. He saw she was struggling so he decided to cover her. He has plenty of ability to shoot and cover his friend. He isn't attacking Lucian because he sees him attack vic. He is shooting cover fire to make sure his friend is safe. Which would come as Lucian is attacking her.

 

[Great Jamie]

"After only taking a couple of steps toward Cazar, she was still reasonably close to the Senator. The less than perfect vision would still allow her to shift her weight to shoot the now incapacitated Senator in the head with her thunderbluss weapon. She heard several shots behind her, as Cazar was presumably firing at the Jedi and fired her own weapon.

Before she could react to the new threat herself, she was flung toward the nearest wall as if being dragged by the head into the solid wall." A literal copy and paste from Vic's post. There is no mention of being shot at.

@Cazar

 

[Cazar]

The second sentence says she shoots the senator in the back of the head.. it's right there. Sorry bud but he got blasted again.

 

[Great Jamie]

It says “would” as in its laying out the situation. It never directly says
“She shot him with a blaster bolt.”

Also, how does she know he’s unconscious? What’s the difference between lying on the floor unconscious and lying on the floor dead?

 

[Nefieslab]

I don't like how there's clear indication that he was going to do something else and nothing specifically mentioned in that post about how he intends to support her with more stun fire - yeah I can see it's in his character he would wait for her and support her, but there's nothing mentioned about being ready to do that until I've made an attack.

Just seems to me like he's readied for an attack only after I've posted an attack if you get me?

@Cazar that was

For you Jamie? I'm honestly with Caz and Xor - you got blasted boi

 

[Cazar]

@Great Jamie It is a shot to make sure he is dead before Vic tries to flee. And she did take the shot it isn't a set up or anything it is a shot.

@Nefieslab since when in pvp posts do we have to constantly state that we are preparing to shoot more or take an action the next turn? Cazar doesn't need more than half a second to pop back out from the corner waiting for Vic to shoot more. That's what he is doing. I get that you don't want to take the hit but it's two on one with one providing a solid distraction and taking a hit while the other hits you in exchange. Damage for damage.

 

[Great Jamie]

@Great Jamie It is a shot to make sure he is dead before Vic tries to flee. And she did take the shot it isn't a set up or anything it is a shot.

@Nefieslab since when in pvp posts do we have to constantly state that we are preparing to shoot more or take an action the next turn? Cazar doesn't need more than half a second to pop back out from the corner waiting for Vic to shoot more. That's what he is doing. I get that you don't want to take the hit but it's two on one with one providing a solid distraction and taking a hit while the other hits you in exchange. Damage for damage.

K then. Give me the exact words which state she fired at Octadar.

 

[Nefieslab]

@Great Jamie It is a shot to make sure he is dead before Vic tries to flee. And she did take the shot it isn't a set up or anything it is a shot.

@Nefieslab since when in pvp posts do we have to constantly state that we are preparing to shoot more or take an action the next turn? Cazar doesn't need more than half a second to pop back out from the corner waiting for Vic to shoot more. That's what he is doing. I get that you don't want to take the hit but it's two on one with one providing a solid distraction and taking a hit while the other hits you in exchange. Damage for damage.

It's not a case of not wanting to take the hit so much as actions mirroring what has been set up. If a guy says he swings his lightsaber - that's all his done.

If a guy says he swings his lightsaber but is preparing to jump back if he needs to - he's swung the lightsaber and prepared a motion to counter.

In that case, what Cazar has done is fire, step round the corner and set up an escape run - and what you're saying he's done is fire, step round the corner, turn into the corner and fire, which he didn't do. Do you see what I mean?

 

[Cazar]

I see what you mean but that was all if Vic got to him which she never did so instead he had to cover her. He was preparing to escape and urging her to come along. When he saw she was struggling to do so he took half a step forward to fire more shots.

 

[Nefieslab]

I see what you mean but that was all if Vic got to him which she never did so instead he had to cover her. He was preparing to escape and urging her to come along. When he saw she was struggling to do so he took half a step forward to fire more shots.

But how did he see her struggling when the attack happens when he's rounding the corner? I'm fine with him coming to her rescue - I'm disputing he would be ready to come to her rescue when he's wouldn't even see the attack until it was almost over anyway

 

[Cazar]

He wasn't responding to the attack. He was shooting the Jedi right before the attack. He shot because Vic wasn't coming fast enough so he gave her cover fire. He shoots Lucian just before the attack so that mid focus the shots would be hitting.

 

[Nefieslab]

He wasn't responding to the attack. He was shooting the Jedi right before the attack. He shot because Vic wasn't coming fast enough so he gave her cover fire. He shoots Lucian just before the attack so that mid focus the shots would be hitting.

Except the timeline is you attack and I block while Vic shoots at the senator. My Force attack then happens when you're turning the corner, which you acknowledge you did.

So you can't shoot before I attack because otherwise you're not taking cover, because you've then not gone round the corner

Edit: Say that last bit five times fast XD

 

[Cazar]

That's not how the timing works though. And I did not acknowledge turning a corner I said I moved behind the wall. The timeline is I attack, move behind the wall, you block, I pop back out, Vic shoots the senator, and I shoot Lucian, then Lucian attacks Vic.

 

[Nefieslab]

That's not how the timing works though. And I did not acknowledge turning a corner I said I moved behind the wall. The timeline is I attack, move behind the wall, you block, I pop back out, Vic shoots the senator, and I shoot Lucian, then Lucian attacks Vic.

How is moving behind the wall (which is a corner), not turning the corner? XD

That aside - the timeline is I block as you're moving and attack Vic when you've moved behind the wall. So you'd only be able to lean out after the attack has started, therefore not being able to attack before I have started my own, surely?