Medical Corruption - OOC

[Great Jamie]

I’m thinking that Vic is pointing the gun at the back. Talos shoots Octadar in the side, and Octadar falling is automatic. With the speed which he fell, and the way he did so, there is no possible way for Vic to be able to react fast enough to be able to shoot and hit Octadar, as he falls down. And if I’m right, the grenade exploded after Octadar went to the ground, so the full force of the impact would still affect Vic, as there is nothing to prevent the grenade’s impact from hitting her.

 

[Xorism]

@Great Jamie Talos specifically aimed to shoot Octadar in the arm, not the side [of his body] so I don't think that would knock him over as you think since it's not a giant blaster shooting you? If anything the shot would push his arm backward I would suspect might twist your body but not drop you.

Then Talos posts that when he saw Victoria, that's when he pulled the pin and threw it, which took 2 seconds to fly before exploding. So the grenade would have exploded late enough for Victoria to look away / do other actions.

 

[Great Jamie]

But Vic didn't do anything to do anything to avoid the blast. Well I mean, I'm pretty sure Talos has a pretty big blaster rifle. And I'm pretty sure you can get knocked over if shot in the arm. The impact and the speed as well as the momentum could easily knock someone over.

 

[Xorism]

@Great Jamie I specifically wrote that Victoria was looking for Cazar (who was to her left) when the grenade went off which she has enough time to do as Talos shoots once, then pulls the pin on a grenade and throws once he can see Victoria.

I will report the post for an admin to help us settle this, thank you for being amicable so far.

 

[Great Jamie]

@Great Jamie I specifically wrote that Victoria was looking for Cazar (who was to her left) when the grenade went off which she has enough time to do as Talos shoots once, then pulls the pin on a grenade and throws once he can see Victoria.

I will report the post for an admin to help us settle this, thank you for being amicable so far.

I mean, there's no point swearing, it gets censored lol

 

[Phoenix]

Admin ruling:

1. Blaster shots do not automatically knock someone over. Blasters don't actually use kinetic energy to kill the way that a RL gun or slugthrower does. In some cases, it could make someone fall over, but at least two instances come to mind of people being shot in the movies and not being knocked over (Luke's hand, when it was shot didn't even move) and Krenic (who slumps over, but is not knocked over, which is a big difference). And those are just right off the top of my head. So it is not automatic that you would fall over, no.

2. Accidental defenses are not valid defenses. A defense against a gunshot behind you that you don't know about because you happened to fall out of the way is not a defense. It is a defense of convenience as outlined in the PvP guide, and that's metagaming.

Final ruling: The defense of accidentally falling out of the way of a blaster shot is invalid. Octadar is struck in the back with the blaster and incapacitated.

@Xorism @Great Jamie

 

[Xorism]

@Minuteman75 Heya bud :) Just something I need to raise about your post.

In your previous post you outlined that Talos would shoot the senator and then upon seeing Victoria, he would pull a pin and then throw the concussion grenade. In my last post, I outlined that Victoria would shoot the senator and then shoot Talos upon seeing him which would occur at the same time that he was pulling the pin.

Now the fun part is because you posted and didn't contest my action, you have locked in both pulling your grenade out and Victoria shooting you. Fortunately for you, I messed up and did not specify how many shots I was making but for argument's sake I'm going to say that Talos should be hit at least once before he is able to throw the grenade. Additional shots are intended to follow but as Victoria is both trying to retreat and is hit by the effects of your grenade, subsequent shots would be erratic and inaccurate.

I would be happier if you took at least one hit before ducking down, as two to the same place would kill you. If I had specified shooting two before moving, Talos would be dead imo.

(Side note, we can't edit our previous posts because the admins have made a ruling which locks them in any way.)

 

[Minuteman75]

I understand. Though I’m a bit confused it was to my understanding that pulse wave shots can melt armor, isn’t that enough to kill a person by that alone?@Xorism

 

[Cazar]

A single heavy shot from a pulse wave would break armor and bleed through to cause injury but it takes a second shot to actually kill.

 

[Minuteman75]

Okay that makes sense. So Talos would be hit and likely not be able to get up to shoot at Vic. Would be that correct?

 

[Cazar]

Okay that makes sense. So Talos would be hit and likely not be able to get up to shoot at Vic. Would be that correct?

Based on the tech/combat rules that would seem about right. He won't be dead but the trade off of damages means he is hurt and unable to quickly do anything. Sadly it seems the rivalry will continue ;)

 

[Xorism]

I am actually excited to see if Talos and Victoria ended up as arch enemies if they live long enough!

 

[Minuteman75]

Knowing me I’ll probably screw up again at a such rematch.

 

[Xorism]

Knowing me I’ll probably screw up again at a such rematch. I don’t want to let down my faction again.

Don't feel bad man, we learn from our mistakes. Well I try to >.>

 

[Cazar]

Letting down your faction would be ignoring the open threads and letting the enemy do whatever they wanted. You're doing fine and while you didn't kill us we didn't do our mission as intended.

 

[Minuteman75]

Edited as per request.

 

[Great Jamie]

Whenever I get my characters involved in any open threads, especially against Hutts, they always seem to get killed, or very close to... I should stop involving myself in them...

 

[Cazar]

Skipped over @Great Jamie (sorry bud) because he was out and any post would just be him sleeping. Also changed it to ask as it should have been a while ago. 3v2 and coming to a close seemed like fair opposition to me :)

 

[Great Jamie]

But the role playing where he sleeps is the best bit!

 

[Nefieslab]

Yo @Cazar - I'm not sure your jawa can be firing when I'm using the Force if we're going off the timings stated

Way I've got the timeline in my head is

1. Cazar fires twice at Lucian
2. Vic hears these shots beginning and fires at the senator
3. Cazar ducks round the corner as Lucian blocks the shots
4. Lucian uses the Force to bash Vic's head against the wall, which Vic's last post acknowledges happens after her shot, while Cazar has just rounded the corner

The way it reads, Xor has locked in these events in this order with his post. For Cazar to shoot at Lucian while he's using the Force, the little guy would have to have done a complete 180 in direction, leaned out around the corner, aim and shoot in the time it takes to push someone's head into a wall, all with no warning as Cazar isn't Force sensitive (iirc) so shouldn't expect Lucian to be using a Force attack