Mandalorian 'Vagabond' Combat Armor

[Outlander]

Katarn-Class Clone Commando Armor had Shields. But yeah... let's not talk about shields anymore....

Man, now I want shields...

 

[Elijah Brockway]

It would certainly make sense given this sort of thing.

Except then we might start getting into the "Ridiculous" territory, and this is the sort of thing built to survive a blast like that without shields. Or, well, built to have its wearer survive, anyways.

 

[Loco]

Personal shields are basically a no go in this timeline

 

[Kiro]

As for the arguments for Vagabond vs Aliit'gam?

Just give Silverface's (surperior) write-up for it a read. There's NOTHING in it that says an Aliit'gam suit can't be tooled up like the Vagabond, including materials.

 

[Elijah Brockway]

There have been numerous armour write-ups involving shielding. It's not constantly on or anything like that, but it's there.

EDIT: Kiro, we've kinda already gone over it. The thing is that most of the time from what I've seen on the site, really heavy and protective armour suits like this seem to require a write-up a lot of the time. If they're supposed to be able to take, y'know, a laser cannon blast and keep you going? It seems like you're generally supposed to have a write up for that. Sure, you can make your aliit'gam that way, but you'd probably have to get some sort of approval for that.

That's why the idea of this possibly being touted as a special, standardized variant/set-up of the overall Aliit'gam armour type has been mentioned.

And, just a side note, to jump out and just say "Give this (superior) write up a read" is kind of rude. This is far from the worst write-up ever seen on the site, Outlander put a good deal of effort in to try and make it rather descriptive and detailed. There's no reason to just throw that out there like that, and it just makes you look mean.

EDIT AGAIN: And maybe small words miss my eyesight too.

Does anybody have glasses I can borrow? (Sorry, btw, Kiro, I missed the word 'it' there and that really changes the way your post is presented, haha. And I'm still leaving my mistake up there for the enjoyment of everybody who looks at it and goes "lol that idiot.")

 

[Ral]

There have been numerous armour write-ups involving shielding. It's not constantly on or anything like that, but it's there.

I don't know how Clayton feels about them, but I know Jiang didn't like seeing them a lot. I believe he restricted their usage under the notion that with the exception of Katarn armor in the RC game (it doesn't have it in the books or TCW IIRC) you never see it in the movie Era and concluded that it's probably because such shielding is bad for your health.

 

[Elijah Brockway]

Actually, from what I remember, the books did show it having that shielding.

As for the shields I'm talking about, they're not like the body-enveloping energy shields we see in KotOR or even in RC. It's more like a projected shield that you see in most of the ones that have such a thing within the write-up.

I won't deny that Jiang was never the most fond of them, though (easy potential to be exploited), and beyond that, with this thing here

it'd just be making it ridiculous

 

[Grim]

I agree with with Elijah, I think it is good enough without the shielding. I also agree that this could be a good standard template that would give the Mando's that want it a strong suit of semi-powered armor or powered armor without having to do their own write ups.

 

[Loco]

Aliit'gam armor; muscle suit underlayer, matrix armor plating, advanced HUD suite.

^What I just wrote gets me everything in this tech submission without having to make a tech submission. I don't think anyone is saying it's a bad write up, we're just saying it's a redundant and unnecessary write up. It's the same reason we don't need everyone to make a write up for every slight variation of whatever dl-44 or e-11 equivalent their character uses

 

[Grim]

But its the muscle suit and Matrix armor that makes it require a tech submission, exotic materials should be looked at.

 

[Elijah Brockway]

Take that small description, go survive a blast from a laser cannon or a bunch of hits from rifles while wearing it, and then tell me people won't be saying 'that should be approved if it's going to be so powerful like that.' Which is what I'm used to seeing on this site. =P Aside from other arguments against that being the be-all end-all of it.

 

[Outlander]

Except that the thing about the Aliit'gam armor IS that it's modular. It can possibly do everything, but not nearly as well as a suit of armor that is purposefully designed for that role. This is supposed to take a lot of damage and keep the user alive. The Aliit'gam armor doesn't have as much armor on it, or the full protection this does.

This is a completely new set of armor. If the Aliit'gam armor is modular and can apparently do everything this armor can just as well, it's overpowered.

 

[Elijah Brockway]

Just because an armour set is modular and highly customizeable doesn't make it the be-all end-all for armour anywhere
[noparse][5:32:24 PM] Elijah Brockway: it never has
[5:32:28 PM] Elijah Brockway: not in real life nor any place like this
[5:32:29 PM] Elijah Brockway: same with weaponry
[5:33:03 PM] Elijah Brockway: They've had modular weapon designs out for a while and those things definitely aren't the be-all end-all, because while they might function "well enough" at various aspects
[5:33:12 PM] Elijah Brockway: they aren't purposefully built to fulfill any specific role
[5:33:16 PM] Elijah Brockway: and so they aren't going to excell at it
[5:33:20 PM] Elijah Brockway: which is the point of this armour[/noparse]

Just my two cents. If the argument is "Aliit'gam is modular therefore it can do everything and excell at everything depending on whatever you want to do with it" then it doesn't really constitute a specific type of armour anyways, it's moreso just an overarching sort of category. The same as Beskar'gam always was before.

EDIT: HOOoOoooooooOOOO boy

skype timestamps don't cross over well to here do they

...i kinda like it and therefore will keep it for now

 

[Silverface]

Take that small description, go survive a blast from a laser cannon or a bunch of hits from rifles while wearing it, and then tell me people won't be saying 'that should be approved if it's going to be so powerful like that.' Which is what I'm used to seeing on this site. =P Aside from other arguments against that being the be-all end-all of it.

No infantryman is going to survive a laser cannon blast. Ever. It's like being shot at by a high velocity anti-tank round. No infantry body armour will stop a laser cannon and if this armour is intended to survive that, it needs a serious revision. Infantry body armour needs to do three things. Stop shrapnel, deflect or stop incoming direct small arms fire and be light weight to fight in.

Not stop a ****ing laser cannon blast.

 

[Loco]

Look, you guys do what you want. Again, nobody is saying the write-up is crap, just that it's unnecessary. We post things in the tech sub-forum for community input in addition to tech-admin approval, and community input is what you're getting. I do want to clear up something though:

Take that small description, go survive a blast from a laser cannon or a bunch of hits from rifles while wearing it, and then tell me people won't be saying 'that should be approved if it's going to be so powerful like that.' Which is what I'm used to seeing on this site. =P Aside from other arguments against that being the be-all end-all of it.

Bold added for emphasis. Laser cannons are ship mounted weaponry. If your intent is to make this armor resistant to ship mounted weapons, then I retract what I said, and agree that this definitely needs a write-up all its own. If you meant blasters or blaster cannons, then I stand by my, Kiro, Silver, and others statements.

Edit: Silver beat me to it.

 

[Elijah Brockway]

And thus terminology strikes again. Yes, it'd be blaster cannon, not laser cannon, haha. (So many similar names. How do we keep track of them all, again?)

But honestly, yeah, I'd probably disagree saying that Aliit'gam is a be-all, end-all, do whatever you want and it works sort of deal. Blaster Cannons are supposed to be heavy weapons that will defeat most armour. I'm not going to deny that you can modify your Aliit'gam to where it can have a great defense or anything, but compared to something purpose-built to survive all but some of the heaviest normal (read: wieldable by troopers) battlefield weapons, essentially meant to be close to "walking tank" levels? I'd pick the purpose-built stuff over the modular thing that can be changed. Other than that, if the fact that Aliit'gam being modular armour means it can be literally whatever, then there's a serious problem there too.

EDIT: Although, I'm mainly just here to help Outlander out in his arguing, and maybe help to make his tech writeup a little clearer than it was at first. I don't really plan to use it or anything. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[Clayton]

Guys, chill. If he wants to have a suit of armor that's tanky he can do that, though powered armor isn't going to be that modifiable. And yeah, no to stopping laser cannons.

 

[Silverface]

This armour is easily made with Aliit'gam. The fact that it is a modular system doesn't make it any weaker than a specialised system, because you're specialising the basic equipment to DO that task.

The entire purpose of Aliit'gam is to speed up Mandalorian character making. If you want to get by with a "Aliit'gam with matrix armour, full body coverage, muscule suit + nural collar and a coffee machine in the groin plate" you can just put that in your character profile with the appropriate links to any custom or exotic material. Or you can go one step further and make it into a full fledged tech profile.

Either way, this armour is strangely expensive and hard to make for the Mandalorian Underground, which is the only actual issue I have with it.

 

[Elijah Brockway]

Except there are types of armor in the canon that are able to withstand Blaster cannon rounds and keep the person alive; and this isn't meant to completely repel it and be fine, in the case of that, it's just to keep the person wearing it alive, compared to lighter designs of armour that might not manage that.

This is meant to be strong enough to do that. Not have the armour survive unscathed or anything like that, but it'll keep the person wearing it alive and possibly able to escape, or at least they'll live until they get medical attention. Rather than being blasted apart like we see so often. Purpose-built armour, much like Katarn-class commando armour was in canon, to be really strong, even if heavy and hard to move in.

And impossible to sit in.

This is definitely on the heavy side, but the person can move around in it, and what they can't dodge it's meant to protect from pretty dang well. Shrapnel, small arms fire, and light enough to fight in.

Problem is, what you guys are saying is that this is just Aliit'gam armour, or no better than it, which is built with the same materials and such and can arguably do the exact same thing. And if it's based off of just modern armour, which primarily protects the front and nothing else?

Yeah, right.

Whereas this is a big suit of metal that's going to wrap all around you and protect you really bloody well, at the expense of some speed and maneuverability. Enough that you can't fight in it? No. But still more than I see a suit of Aliit'gam made out of the same materials doing.

EDIT: Meanwhile with everything that has been removed from the previous post, this post is kinda pointless now. xP

I'll let Outlander be the one to comment on the cost and stuff like that regarding the Mandalorian Underground, because that's honestly not my place, I've just been in here to help with the arguing. :^)

I'd still just disagree as a matter of principal regarding Aliit'gam being able to do everything this specific stuff does just based on what you say about it, though, if only because regarding the defense it has, it seems like the sort of thing that might normally require a write up, anyways, even if it were to still just be called Aliit'gam.

 

[Outlander]

We do have a manufacturing facility. We have the means to sell this armor since each suit is built to the person's measurements as opposed to in bulk. We charge enough to pay for parts and labor and we can operate with pretty much no change to our financials.