House Bill 2 - North Carolina

Lucy Lou

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How did this get to a debate on religion when the issue is over toilets?

You can't enforce the law. Passed or Not. No city, town, or state, has enough police power to have someone STANDING at the restroom to check birth certificates. They have much better things to do with their time. Even in school a principal or an assistant principal isn't going to stand and make sure that some trans student is using the right bathroom. Half the time my Principal has to cancel meetings with me because of one crisis or another. Kids with weapons, kids with drugs, kids tying kids up in bathrooms with scarfs, fights, testing, truancy, parents, I can keep going on. The whole thing is stupid and a general waste of time and tax-money to have someone write up and pass something as moronic as this in the first place.

They need to focus on more important things. What about mental health programs? Mentioning this because the argument that young boys are apparently born sexual predators and that allowing trans people into bathrooms means that every young boy is going to claim they're trans now, LET'S NOT even BEGIN to get into the fact that here in SEATTLE the home of the largest LGBT community second to San Francisco people are STILL afraid to come out because of bullying (we have an openly gay teacher here and the students bully the CRAP out of him/her, they still make gay jokes and call each other faggets), much less in the south, there's no way a young kid will go to the excuse of "Oh I'm in here because I'm Trans" the thought makes me laugh. They're more likely to admit to doing drugs or drinking on campus then admit something like that. Or what about victim's Rights against sexual assault? Something that states CLAIM to have but when only like 20 or 30 percent of all sexual assaults are reported in the first place. Personally, I see THIS as a bigger problem then who gets to pee in what toilet.

As a constituent of the state, you should be bitching about the time and money wasted over this versus should the federal government force the state to remove the bill.
 

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How did this get to a debate on religion when the issue is over toilets?

You can't enforce the law. Passed or Not. No city, town, or state, has enough police power to have someone STANDING at the restroom to check birth certificates. They have much better things to do with their time. Even in school a principal or an assistant principal isn't going to stand and make sure that some trans student is using the right bathroom. Half the time my Principal has to cancel meetings with me because of one crisis or another. Kids with weapons, kids with drugs, kids tying kids up in bathrooms with scarfs, fights, testing, truancy, parents, I can keep going on. The whole thing is stupid and a general waste of time and tax-money to have someone write up and pass something as moronic as this in the first place.

They need to focus on more important things. What about mental health programs? Mentioning this because the argument that young boys are apparently born sexual predators and that allowing trans people into bathrooms means that every young boy is going to claim they're trans now, LET'S NOT even BEGIN to get into the fact that here in SEATTLE the home of the largest LGBT community second to San Francisco people are STILL afraid to come out because of bullying (we have an openly gay teacher here and the students bully the CRAP out of him/her, they still make gay jokes and call each other faggets), much less in the south, there's no way a young kid will go to the excuse of "Oh I'm in here because I'm Trans" the thought makes me laugh. They're more likely to admit to doing drugs or drinking on campus then admit something like that. Or what about victim's Rights against sexual assault? Something that states CLAIM to have but when only like 20 or 30 percent of all sexual assaults are reported in the first place. Personally, I see THIS as a bigger problem then who gets to pee in what toilet.

As a constituent of the state, you should be bitching about the time and money wasted over this versus should the federal government force the state to remove the bill.

This. I agree with all of this. Well said, Meg.
 

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It seems to me that if one cannot make an argument vitiating obvious democratic rights without a resort to shockingly ignorant dithyrambs to outmoded national-democratic forms or lurid rape hypotheticals, one might consider keeping stum.

Pace Walter Pater, ill-considered opinions leave a far more lasting and discreditable impression than a perfectly comprehensible fluidity of gender.
 

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It seems to me that if one cannot make an argument vitiating obvious democratic rights without a resort to shockingly ignorant dithyrambs to outmoded national-democratic forms or lurid rape hypotheticals, one might consider keeping stum.

Pace Walter Pater, ill-considered opinions leave a far more lasting and discreditable impression than a perfectly comprehensible fluidity of gender.
english pls
 

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english pls

If you can't argue keeping transgendered people out of bathrooms without going on tangents about confederacies or making hypotheticals about rapes, you should keep quiet.
 

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You can be wrong about the bathroom bill and be right about obnoxious and pretentious posting styles at the same time.

For me, and apologies if this has been covered already because I have not read the whole thread, the thing that stands out to me the most about this issue and the tenor of the national discussion about it is that the pro-HB2 side is using the exact same playbook that was used against gay people as little as 10 years ago.

"But what about the children?"

"These people might be predators."

"This is unsafe."

"My rights are being violated."

Etc

Swap out the transgender debate for the gay debate and you'll find very little difference between the two. It was wrong then, and it is wrong now.

The comforting thing is that, just like in the gay rights debate, the people who are supporting HB2 will lose and not be looked upon kindly by history. It's a foregone conclusion as long as transgender rights continue to be fought for.

Is what I just said overly simplistic? Yes, but despite the many issues surrounding this topic, progress goes on.
 
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