Godzilla

[Kaeb]

Cranston has been in some stinkers, and despite their apparent respect for the original material, this could actually suck. That being said, I hope it doesn't.

As for the large flying creature, if it isn't Rodan it might be a new, original Kaiju, one that just so happens to have membranous wings that also pins them back when it dives in a similar movement. The fact that it takes out those planes so quickly is pretty cool.

@Bac, there are clearly a few monsters, given the corpse of that enormous centipede-like creature in the first trailer, the flying monster and the scorpion-like one as well. My guess is that Godzilla emerged in 1954 - the same year in which the original film was set and released - for whatever reason, they then tried to kill it with nuclear tests and that either worked or merely subdued it before it returned along with other monsters in the modern day.

I'm also thinking that Godzilla is just as much a disaster as the other monsters, but perceives them as a threat to itself so it takes them out for very primal reasons, inadvertently helping the human population.

 

[Cortan]

Yeah, they're taking the whole concept they had with the design - that the original Godzilla films were made by someone who saw the 'real' monster, and then tried to recreate it as best they could on a budget - actually more literally than I thought, given the notion that Godzilla has indeed been roaming the Pacific for over sixty years now.

One thing I've noticed is that it appears to be, unless I'm severely wrong, Godzilla is actually gonna be moving across the Pacific for the film, with his arrival in the States more of a second half/final third kind of thing, after wrecking some islands (maybe part of Japan to start with?) on the way first.

 

[Kaeb]

There's also that giant skeleton the people in hazmat suits are walking through at one point, who knows what that thing was or were it falls in the timeline.

 

[Cortan]

True, the trailer states that they woke something up, and that the subsequent tests were to kill Godzilla, rather than Godzilla being mutated by the radiation (which is admittedly more akin to the origins that have Godzilla as part of a ridiculous ancient species). Maybe there'll be hints of a monster island concept?

 

[Kaeb]

His actual origins are what worries me now, I liked the idea that he was essentially created by the actions of man.

Him just existing of his own accord is....strange.

 

[Rom]

I think they're going to be going with the ancient creature surfacing from the deeps origin, as disappointing as that is. I mean, the sheer size of Godzilla during the atomic "testing" scene where he emerges next to the island seems a bit of a stretch for the modern audience to say that it was a creature created from the Atomic Bombing of Nagasaki and Hiroshima just 9 years earlier. Plus they'd have to account for the creation of the two-three other monsters in the same time period.

Mind you, I would totally accept that explanation because Man creating a monstrous force of nature was kind of the point of Godzilla.... but yeah in all likelihood they're instead going to say that Godzilla "species" or what have you (I'm holding on hope for baby Godzilla goddammit) is extremely attracted to sources of radiation and the atomic bombs testing brought him to the surface or some such explanation to link the whole nuclear thing into the story

 

[Kaeb]

I've heard rumours that it could be a creation by some other means tied to a more contemporary issue, but I'm not sure what that could be either.

 

[Cortan]

...Admittedly, it being a natural creature (though perhaps its origins vague and horrifying to think about) would tie into the apparent theme of man's hubris and how natural disasters can make it very much clear that we are NOT in control as we like to think we are. Or to put it another way, when you don't have a giant kickass robot, sadly you CAN'T fight the Hurricane. And the only solace in this Hurricane's existing is that it kicks the ass of other Hurricanes for you.

 

[Kaeb]

It being a natural creature would still raise tonnes of questions, given the ultra-realistic tone they're going for this time around.

The majority of the depths of the Earth's oceans have still been unexplored, so who knows what lies below but the scientific possibility of that creature being not only able to breathe on land, but able to breathe fire would likely not be possible.

Not to mention the explanations required for what exactly triggered it's arrival in the 50's but what then caused it to essentially disappear for sixty years along with whatever other creatures this reboot will be introducing into it's canon. I've read stuff online about them introducing insect like creatures called 'Muto' into the mix, which is a dumb name but is still relevant.

 

[Phil]

http://www.shocktillyoudrop.com/new...a-atomic-breath-the-design-darabont-and-more/

"Godzilla will be a force of nature, not an antagonist or a hero, but an anti-hero. "He's the punishment we deserve"."

"The theme is man versus nature, and Godzilla "is definitely on the nature side""


While they may seem vague, I really hope they keep his origin the same. Like Kaeb said, him just existing seems odd. The other kaiju... I really don't know.

 

[Rom]

It being a natural creature would still raise tonnes of questions, given the ultra-realistic tone they're going for this time around.

The majority of the depths of the Earth's oceans have still been unexplored, so who knows what lies below but the scientific possibility of that creature being not only able to breathe on land, but able to breathe fire would likely not be possible.

Not to mention the explanations required for what exactly triggered it's arrival in the 50's but what then caused it to essentially disappear for sixty years along with whatever other creatures this reboot will be introducing into it's canon. I've read stuff online about them introducing insect like creatures called 'Muto' into the mix, which is a dumb name but is still relevant.

I read the same rumors about the Muto, did you see the bit about the male and female hunting pair working together to hunt Godzilla and the Gojira species apparently being attracted by radiation and apparently the big skeleton they walk through is a skeleton of a Gojira species that was found locked in battle with one of the mutos?

 

[Cainhurst Crow]

Personally I dont see how you can claim Godzilla just existing and being woken in the 50's isn't a good origin due to realism, then go right around and say him being mutated by radiation makes more sense.

About the only thing radiation would do would be give it lots and lots of cancer and radiation poisoning.

And I think the message of mankind messing with things it doesn't understand with the false assumptions thst they can control what comes from their discovery, only for it to backfire with horrific consequences, works good enough for a "theme", assuming one needs a message to make a good Godzilla film.

 

[Horizon]

I like all your theories, specifically Kaeb and the pokemon guy.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

Personally I dont see how you can claim Godzilla just existing and being woken in the 50's isn't a good origin due to realism, then go right around and say him being mutated by radiation makes more sense.

About the only thing radiation would do would be give it lots and lots of cancer and radiation poisoning.

And I think the message of mankind messing with things it doesn't understand with the false assumptions thst they can control what comes from their discovery, only for it to backfire with horrific consequences, works good enough for a "theme", assuming one needs a message to make a good Godzilla film.

Godzilla has always had a message, so to really do it justice then it should have a message. Otherwise it's just monsters fighting each other and airplanes shooting at them. Which is fine, but lacks any real impact.

 

[Cortan]

The other thing to remember is that the whole 'Godzilla is part of an existing species' thing was his origin for a while, introduced in the Heisei era with the Godzillasaurus. One attacked US marines in World War II, was mutated by a nuclear submarine, and when later awakened was the big guy we know and love today. Then time travel and aliens got involved. Even in what was supposed to be an attempt to return to more 'serious' plots, Godzilla got weird.

 

[Kaeb]

I read the same rumors about the Muto, did you see the bit about the male and female hunting pair working together to hunt Godzilla and the Gojira species apparently being attracted by radiation and apparently the big skeleton they walk through is a skeleton of a Gojira species that was found locked in battle with one of the mutos?

I didn't see that no, if they're establishing that Godzilla and the other Kaiju are simply pre existing creatures that we have since awakened, it makes sense that they would also introduce a new food chain of sorts, with some newly introduced creatures hunting others.

Personally I dont see how you can claim Godzilla just existing and being woken in the 50's isn't a good origin due to realism, then go right around and say him being mutated by radiation makes more sense.

You have a serious penchant for linear thinking, has anyone told you that before?

Although you are the one who thought Bac and I were literally talking about turning the Jedi into pure samurai and ronin instead of simply harnessing specific elements of their archetypes.

I simply mentioned certain elements of this apparent new origin as suspect, given that if such an enormous creature as Godzilla actually existed, what could we possibly have done to awaken it, before then using nuclear weapons in an attempt to destroy it.

If you establish that this creature and possibly others have always existed, without us knowing how they or it were awakened, it's natural for that to set off alarms in our heads as to just why exactly we had never encountered before.

As for me saying radiation/man being the cause of it's origin, I never said that was more realistic, I said the other, newer origin is equally as unrealistic as the cause many have come to know, given that this is apparently gearing towards a more realistic tone. Which is why we've been theorising up some possible explanations for fun.

And I think the message of mankind messing with things it doesn't understand with the false assumptions thst they can control what comes from their discovery, only for it to backfire with horrific consequences, works good enough for a "theme", assuming one needs a message to make a good Godzilla film.

No one said it didn't.

You don't need a theme, but it certainly makes for a better and more interesting experience if a film like this has one, otherwise it becomes nothing but CGI battles and background score, which is not a film, it's a music video, a fireworks display rather than an involved story, which is what the original was in regards to it's themes of nuclear proliferation.

The other thing to remember is that the whole 'Godzilla is part of an existing species' thing was his origin for a while, introduced in the Heisei era with the Godzillasaurus. One attacked US marines in World War II, was mutated by a nuclear submarine, and when later awakened was the big guy we know and love today. Then time travel and aliens got involved. Even in what was supposed to be an attempt to return to more 'serious' plots, Godzilla got weird.

Yup.

Many don't know this however, and are more familiar with us being the cause, being an essential part of the origin.

 

[Horizon]

Didn't someone mention Kaiju?

Isn't that the same things we saw in that other movie?

 

[Cortan]

Didn't someone mention Kaiju?

Isn't that the same things we saw in that other movie?

Kaiju is a general term - actually means 'strange beast' rather than what Pacific Rim claimed, but its colloquially used for giant monsters - and the name of the genre that stuff like Godzilla, Gamara, and so forth inhabit. It was a big thing in Japan from the fifties through to the sixties, and then the seventies turned around and said 'yeah but what if people could actually FIGHT those things?' and thus you get Japanese Spider-Man, Super Sentai, and Ultraman.

 

[Kaeb]

Yup.

Kaiju cinema is the bomb, I recommend getting stoned with friends/a lady/a lad and watching a couple of the greats. Mechagodzilla is a personal favourite.

****ing laser beam eyes maaaaan.

 

[Rom]

Yup.

Kaiju cinema is the bomb, I recommend getting stoned with friends/a lady/a lad and watching a couple of the greats. Mechagodzilla is a personal favourite.

****ing laser beam eyes maaaaan.

Hey look, its Rom in highschool!