Batman vs. Superman: Dawn of Justice

[Shiuzu]

Hmph, it'll be interesting to see how they pull this off, what with TDKR being the end of The Dark Knight Trilogy. If Nolan's involved with it, I'm sure he won't disappoint, but then again, when the purpose of a film is only to reel in as much cash as possible, who knows. Certainly not me. Regardless, I'll probably still see it. As will most of us here, I assume.

They're not continuing from TDKR, I think they've said this a million times that MoS was the start of a new DCCU.

 

[Kaeb]

The Raid was so ****ing good.

The similarities between the two were a bit jarring at first, but once the differences between them start to bleed through, it becomes pretty easy to separate them and enjoy them as very unique works.

The key thing is, both movies were exactly what they needed to be.

I mean **** me, the end fight scene in The Raid was much more engaging and entertaining then watching money burn on the screen at the end of Man of Steel.

 

[Shiuzu]

The blood didn't really bother me except during the Slo-Mo sequences, which for me were a bit hit-and-miss (especially the raid on the junkies' pad.) Agreed that a mixture of practical and digital would have worked best, but Lord knows they didn't have a huge budget. What I most appreciated about it was the lean storytelling. It wasn't revolutionary or anything, but it focused on telling the story, had a clear narrative arc, produced several interesting side-characters and had great pacing.

Ironic that the source material was gestated by a variety of New Left and radical futurist types since it was very much an old-fashioned blockbuster.

Also a shame that it didn't do very well. I wouldn't mind a sequel or two.

Karl Urban has said that a Dredd sequel isn't out of the question, after talking to people around the studio. Or some such other.

 

[BLADE]

@Shiuzu: I heard the same, but I'm not too hopeful. Oh well. Hollywood produces shit that isn't going to make any money all the time. Why not give Dredd II: The Dreddening a chance? It's not like it'll cost you a quarter of a billion dollars (ohai Lone Ranger.)

@Kaeb: What? You don't like seeing two digital avatars punch each other across a digital landscape with no thought or sense of scale both human and spatial? You sir, are a philistine and an artistic nihilist who doesn't understand the sheer genius of the Snyder-Nolan-Goyer braintrust.

 

[Kaeb]

Dredd 2 : Dredd Harder.

Is it weird that I'm almost eager for the industry to explode/implode at this point?

Given that it's bursting at the seams pretty much as we speak.

 

[BLADE]

Dredd III: With Dredd Intent

I'd prefer a slow deflation. There's lots of good people in the industry who can make good products and who do need to earn a livelihood. The superproducer-agent-director-"auteur" axis needs to die in an avalanche of money.

 

[Kaeb]

Dredd III: With Dredd Intent

I'd prefer a slow deflation. There's lots of good people in the industry who can make good products and who do need to earn a livelihood. The superproducer-agent-director-"auteur" axis needs to die in an avalanche of money.

From what I can tell, we're in the middle of a deflation already. It's the only explanation for Warner Bros. using the same goddamn people over and over again and relying solely on mass appeal in their decisions just to survive.

For the sake of the medium, film can survive without the Hollywood machine, but despite it's mothero******** flaws it's also the reason many great works get made in the first place.

The reset button needs to be pushed.

 

[BLADE]

WB is in good shape. It has a lot of low-level comedies, some decent partnerships (though it lost Legendary), and an in-house franchise machine. Granted, its strategy is dumb, but that's more of a qualitative factor than a quantitative one; I don't see Batman (which has averaged nearly half a billion domestic per film excluding Batman and Robin and Begins) and Superman (which has a generally good track record) as well as some ancillary DC properties doing badly for them. They also have some low-level surprise hits, comedies, some new horror franchises, etc.

Mind you the same applies for all of the studios, I should say, at least in the short-term. And of course any of them could be equally vulnerable to a rash of terrible flops (see Universal's no-good-terrible 2012.)

With that being said, I'm actually less optimistic than you long run because I see movie studios being taken over by hedge funds and other capital acquisition entities, thus heightening and accelerating the process of seeking short-term dividends, etiolating final quality and blurring the lines between financial means and ends and creative freedom and license.

Or not. The medium itself is worthy in and of itself and has proven remarkably resilient, some terrible dry spells aside. So perhaps it's best to end with a note of cautious optimism.

 

[Shiuzu]

Yeah.

 

[Kaeb]

http://ie.ign.com/articles/2013/07/23/comic-con-man-of-steel-sequel-likely-called-batman-vs-superman

hahahahahahaha.

 

[BLADE]

Well we haven't heard confirmation yet. Just a bunch of URL purchases, which studios do all the time. Not sure they go with it. Hopefully not. This is a near mortal-lock for suckitude, so the shitty title is just icing on the cake.

Ninja Edit: http://comicbook.com/blog/2013/07/22/batman-superman-movie-title-revealed-to-be-batman-vs-superman/

Apparently more confirmation. I dunno. We'll see. But it looks increasingly like Superman vs Batman or Batman vs Superman.

*Sighs*

 

[Kaeb]

It's everything I don't want from this movie.

I want Superman and Batman sitting on top of a bridge, eating fast food in the middle of a crime lull.

I want Superman to be shot down by Bruce through words, not Batwing missiles.



The only conflict I want is that of character, not the two of them punching each other because ANGST.

 

[Shiuzu]

Oh ****ing hell.

 

[BLADE]

It's everything I don't want from this movie.

I want Superman and Batman sitting on top of a bridge, eating fast food in the middle of a crime lull.

I want Superman to be shot down by Bruce through words, not Batwing missiles.



The only conflict I want is that of character, not the two of them punching each other because ANGST.

It's sad because Hollywood knows how to make buddy-cop movies, and that's basically what their relationship is (and they eventually become besties.) So yes. I want Clark to fiddle around with the radio in the Batmobile when they're on a stakeout. Or to wheedle Bruce for reservations to this restaurant Lois wants to go to. I want Alfred and the Kents to hit it off. Maybe some conflict at the beginning, but ugh.

Just ugh.

 

[Shiuzu]

Avengers already did a team up, now DC has to be edgy.

 

[Kaeb]

They're just doing everything wrong, except maybe marketing.

As soon as I heard Man of Steel was to be this movies title, I and a lot of others fans thought ''well obviously the next cool title would be Man of Tomorrow and given that they're doing an origin story first, that's when then they can really bring in a more complex story and expand on his character and make a more insightful film'', but no. Then they announced Snyder as director and a bunch of other ridiculous decisions.

And then...the movie came out. And like Episode I, I began to think, **** it maybe they'll learn and the next Superman story will listen to the feedback.

But no, they're hungry for Marvel bucks so they're shoving this into our gullets. And they'll probably make even more money and just keep going until it all implodes.

 

[Nameless]

All I want is one shot of Batman riding Superman like a majestic eagle and this movie will be a resounding success by my standards.

 

[Kaeb]

I want this:

Not this:

 

[Shiuzu]

They're just doing everything wrong, except maybe marketing.

As soon as I heard Man of Steel was to be this movies title, I and a lot of others fans thought ''well obviously the next cool title would be Man of Tomorrow and given that they're doing an origin story first, that's when then they can really bring in a more complex story and expand on his character and make a more insightful film'', but no. Then they announced Snyder as director and a bunch of other ridiculous decisions.

And then...the movie came out. And like Episode I, I began to think, **** it maybe they'll learn and the next Superman story will listen to the feedback.

But no, they're hungry for Marvel bucks so they're shoving this into our gullets. And they'll probably make even more money and just keep going until it all implodes.

If there's anything WB knows how to do, it's polish a turd

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[BLADE]

Give Bruce Timm and Paul Dini and John Byrne truckloads of money, kthxplz.

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So we all don't get depressed.

@Kaeb: WB does masterful marketing. Probably the best of all the big studios. MoS did not deserve to make even one half as much money as it has made worldwide. And you're right. Batman by himself averages ~450 million DOM. TDK is about the same as Avengers in terms of box office adjusted for inflation. So it doesn't really matter what the ultimate quality is, even though they are leaving money on the table. A very good Batman/Superman movie would outpace Avengers 2, for example.