Voice your thoughts and complaints about this Faction

[Veritas et Lux]

I agree with all of this and would like to re-iterate it.



When this was posted, a lot of it comes off as sarcastic, likely on purpose. That's un-needed when this thread has been extremely civil. Everyone has said the issue is IC reasoning, not OOC. You're getting annoyed and sick of it because of such. If you really want a General rank for a character, without needing to deal with IC issues, make a pure Mando for the faction.



Admins got involved on their own initiative.



It would be more proper to start Mitya as a Captain or Elite, IMO.

then have Mitya work her way up the ranks, by merit, instead of an upper-echelon decision.





Answered.



So far, I haven't seen a single Mando'a on the site do something out of simple honor. Rescuing a fellow Mando? Sure, driven by honor, by Mando tradition, but it's done in as pragmatic a way as an actual soldier would do it. Mandalorians are famed for being pragmatic but honorable. My Mando, Rezin, is mostly designed along Kal Skirata's view of Mandos and he started as an NPC in a thread with Syn's Jedi Master.

And y'know something? He strikes me as more of a Mando than some Mandalorian characters that were here before. No offense intended when I say that, nor any form of pride in my character and writing - it's just a statement of what I see when I've looked at Mando threads from early on when I joined.

And if you want to see what I mean, go take a look here, where Rezin is an NPC for a Jedi mission thread. It was after he was designed for that thread that I decided I wanted a Mando who was, to put it simply, just a man. He's pragmatic, street-smart, a great leader, a strong friend, a dangerous enemy, and someone who believes in his people.

But if Dagger does continue ignoring challenges, Rezin has enough IC reasons, just by going by his beliefs to challenge Mandalore himself. If Corden does fail, but Dagger continues to deny simple Mandalorian tenets, you'll have a well-known Captain in the Mando military, who's reputation is as a Mando through and through, challenging him. And if you doubt my RPing skills, simply look at any of my character threads, at any point.

And then tell me - am I bad roleplayer? Would you have any IC ground on which to stand to deny that challenge?

Would Johnny's A'lore, who's the one with enough clot in the ground forces, be willing to deny the Captain's challenge when said Captain's beliefs, honor, and need for his people to be strong, deny the challenge?

And lastly, because I'm tired and I only woke up a little while ago - Rezin wouldn't take the mantle of Mandalore if he won. If anything, he would give it to the A'lore, letting himself remain a Captain. And as far as I'm aware, the only person who can say no to taking that mantle is the winner of the challenge - if he has no interest in it, he can appoint someone else as the new Mandalore instead. That new Mandalore might be tested by his peoples, but as long as the one who won the challenge backs him, that Mandalore would remain in power for a long time. But it'd also be a reminder for that Mandalore - they owe the title to someone else, who could take the title back if they fail in any way.

If, for any reason, you'd say 'Rezin's an unknown' or 'You're new to the faction, you have no IC merit', that will change easily enough once I do start RPing him. And that's why I stated what I stated.

Excuse me? No it was not sarcastic and you cannot even infer that it was it was very civil and I feel that it is very disrespectful to say so. I have been very civil this whole time actually, and I'm sorry but you sir have been the last straw. As of this post, I'm taking time off of the site for a bit because of you. Thank you good sir, you've completely made this site no fun to me anymore with your judgmental, condescending, and assumptive attitude. It is not that I want a very high rank off the bat, it's that the rank was given to me for reasons that the higher echelon deem necessary and for those to challenge it merely because they did not like it seemed unfair, however after legitimate reasoning for this concern was expressed I quickly decided to jump on it and fix it.
I asked for patience to deal with the concerns involving my character, and was not given any. I have very low interest in this faction now, my only interests being helping phil, arm514ve, johnny, and syn, and to have fun. The fun has been stripped form me roleplaying in such faction therefore I will only help them oocly.

I'm joining the empire, suck my proverbial penis. -how's that for uncivil?

 

[Insanity]

I consider it an over-reaction, given I only pointed out how the post came off in my opinion. If I offended you, then it wasn't intentional. o.O

Also, I have a Grand General, a Sith Crusader, and a Imperial soldier... So... if you join the Empire, just means you're in a faction I'm in anyways. Albeit one where I see no issues popping up all the time.

 

[Syn]

Please don't leave Bloo...

I love you and want you to stay who will Allison get to have fun with?

 

[Mars]

Excuse me? No it was not sarcastic and you cannot even infer that it was it was very civil and I feel that it is very disrespectful to say so. I have been very civil this whole time actually, and I'm sorry but you sir have been the last straw. As of this post, I'm taking time off of the site for a bit because of you. Thank you good sir, you've completely made this site no fun to me anymore with your judgmental, condescending, and assumptive attitude. It is not that I want a very high rank off the bat, it's that the rank was given to me for reasons that the higher echelon deem necessary and for those to challenge it merely because they did not like it seemed unfair, however after legitimate reasoning for this concern was expressed I quickly decided to jump on it and fix it.
I asked for patience to deal with the concerns involving my character, and was not given any. I have very low interest in this faction now, my only interests being helping phil, arm514ve, johnny, and syn, and to have fun. The fun has been stripped form me roleplaying in such faction therefore I will only help them oocly.

I'm joining the empire, suck my proverbial penis. -how's that for uncivil?

If this is your honest reaction to his post(which wasn't condescending or judgmental), as a Darth and someone who is heavily involved in Empire affairs, I can safely say you won't make it that far there either.

Anyway, I agree with what most of Insanity said, good posts mate. Trell also brought up very valid points, I think it's clear who I agree with in this argument at this point.

 

[Insanity]

Also, just to extend on this- but yes he is supposed to 'consider them', no? Just because the same people are bringing up the same issue over and over, amplifying a seemingly small problem after Phil has shot them down does not sound as if it's some terrible crisis and he is a bad leader. I believe solely that Phil is a great leader, that is why I joined in the first place. But it is okay, things are going to be solved. Not only did we ask for patience and you not give it to us, but we actually are doing things. It's not as if every single step to Mitya and Roxton reinforcing Mitya's advancement IC-wise is everybody else's business OOCly, the complaints are IC so therefore wait until it's been done. I already told Phil to take me off of the roster while we do this. SO thanks, thank you very much for the patience.... Just peachy.

When this was posted, a lot of it comes off as sarcastic, likely on purpose. That's un-needed when this thread has been extremely civil. Everyone has said the issue is IC reasoning, not OOC. You're getting annoyed and sick of it because of such. If you really want a General rank for a character, without needing to deal with IC issues, make a pure Mando for the faction.

I can see why my post, in this regard, could be offensive. I blame the fact that I was trying to point out that your post may have, inadvertently, been fueled by a bit a sarcasm, due to previous posts and your own tiredness of the OOC discussion. So, I apologize if I offended. I just have a tendency to use my adept, albeit inexperienced, psychlogy knowledge to point out things to people online.

No offense was meant when I posted that.

 

[Horizon]

But if Mulluns who is supposed to be the strongest, though being a leader is more about charisma than being the best, then that means the position is inherently challenge-able to begin with so there's a chance he could beat him.

My only issue with a guy being able to win faction leadership via combat besides the it actually not being tradition is this. Arm can challenge Corden and regardless if he wins then someone else could challenge the victor again and who's to say some people can't repeat challenges?

Usually though, these kinds of challenges only come about under rare circumstances. What's even better is how loosing a challenge might be taken.

Mandalorians are pretty sensible if they loss the challenge when they were the one who suggested such a thing in the first place. The likely outcome would be is that the Mandalorian would accept his loss and would not do so again, that's some what common sense for a regular Mandalorian bound with some honor.

 

[Johnnysaurus Rex]

Usually though, these kinds of challenges only come about under rare circumstances. What's even better is how loosing a challenge might be taken.

Mandalorians are pretty sensible if they loss the challenge when they were the one who suggested such a thing in the first place. The likely outcome would be is that the Mandalorian would accept his loss and would not do so again, that's some what common sense for a regular Mandalorian bound with some honor.

Logical enough to me, mate.

 

[Arm514ve]

Second - I respect Johnny, Arm, and Phil, from greatest to least, in that order. This is simply because of OOC disputes I've witnessed in the Mando OOCs and here. Johnny handles himself the best, IMO. Arm, no disrespect, posts very little. Phil, again no disrespect, you lack clarity in what you say and you tend to dismiss good ideas as often as bad ones.

I'm on at weird times and when I get to reply the topic is either handled or my input isn't needed, besides I hate this drama more than anything and I'm here for fun. And insanity I have nothing against you either you were at least willing to ask for a reconsideration and meet half way, and in my opinion that shows a lot of integrity.

I really don't know right now. Give me about a week, this site has been draining my soul. I need to go focus intensively on balancing my life and cleansing my chakras. I'm so fed up with the goddamn people of this site.
I'll probably drop in a couple of time during this week, which will ultimately determine for me how I feel about things, but I can tell you that I am not sure about anything.

If you guys want me, than I will probably cool down and say to hell with it and let phil handle things, syn and arm can train mitya, but right now I'm two seconds from retiring the character I worked so hard on.

I'm tired, I'm cleaning my apartment and going to sleep. I love you all, and I apologize for all of the stress that I have caused. Thanks so much I love rping with you all.

Now arguing the topic of Bloos Jedi Character is a moot point now since the user has stated to me they are now probably leaving the sight and again I'm sorry but I have to say I am dissapointed in certain users not going to name names. but this is ridiculous running off people because you feel they shouldn't get a rank I'm sorry that pretty petty and low. Especially after we said we were dealing with it.

Also now I would bring up our own sight rules.

A. In a pre-established faction, everyone starts off at the lowest level unless given special permission from the Faction Leader. The only exception is when you are creating an Independent Faction, in which case you would start off as the leader.

So guess what all people bitching about Bloos position you have just been over ruled. It is a sight rule to basically make you all initiates in the faction unless special permission has been given. guess what special permission was given do you all like it no do you have to deal with it yes!

 

[Syn]

Oh yeah there is that rule.... sadly it comes too late Arm.

Maybe it is too late.

 

[Insanity]

A. In a pre-established faction, everyone starts off at the lowest level unless given special permission from the Faction Leader. The only exception is when you are creating an Independent Faction, in which case you would start off as the leader.

So guess what all people bitching about Bloos position you have just been over ruled. It is a sight rule to basically make you all initiates in the faction unless special permission has been given. guess what special permission was given do you all like it no do you have to deal with it yes!

There's still IC issues regarding the appointment. But as Radz said in an IM talk, arguing the issue is like beating a dead horse.

So, moving on - Mandalore and how Mandalore is appointed.

So far, Brandon, Matt, Sreeya and Jiang agree - whoever beats Mandalore in a duel for leadership, becomes Mandalore. (Note that Sreeya and Jiang stated opinions agreeing with that idea. Bac and Matt said it was fact and would be so.)

That said, as long as whoever's Mandalore doesn't transform the Mando culture and society into something like the 'New' Mandalorians, I've no issue with leadership ICly. My OOC gripe, so far, is that Phil's not given good reasons, IC or OOC, for denying challenges. He's also dismissed the old honor system that's so integral to Mandalorian society, which makes me, OOCly, want to have new leadership.

Aside from that, I respect Phil as an RPer. But he's going about a lot of things in the wrong fashion and gets defensive too easily. v.v

That may just be some bias, given I get along with Xeno when I've talked to him concerning the Empire and Sith, as well as when I talk with Radz sometimes.

 

[Sreeya]

So guess what all people bitching about Bloos position you have just been over ruled. It is a sight rule to basically make you all initiates in the faction unless special permission has been given. guess what special permission was given do you all like it no do you have to deal with it yes!

So? That doesn't mean FL's can't make errors or the wrong decision, which is where you get protesting like this. No they don't have to just deal with it. This is not a dictatorship. The Faction Leader is to cater to the members. You're trying to back Phil's idea of "my way or the highway" and that simply won't fly. It's not what we're asking of Faction Leaders.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

I'm locking this thread, but only temporarily. The Mandalorian faction clearly needs to go back to the drawing board a bit, and that's something we're going to have to work on starting now. However, the reason I'm locking this, temporarily, is so everyone has a chance to cool down.