The Empire's Long Reach OOC

[Phoenix]

I am going to start off by saying that I am more than a little bit disappointed with all parties involved in this dispute that there's already a report without having even made it through the first round of posts yet. It's been noted for the remainder of this thread and I hope not to see this sort of behavior from the rest of this thread.

As for the ruling: @Valen Pelora you'll need to remove the blade position from your post. While you may have merely meant it to say that the blade ignited, you should clarify that more clearly as that's not how it currently reads.

@Apollyon The bottom of your post here specifically states that the challenge is being openly broadcast and there are pictures playing across indicating it's some sort of video feed. In said broadcast (and the subsequent fight), he is wearing the same gold armor that he's currently wearing. If you wanted people not to know who he was, he shouldn't have worn that armor.

Ruling summary: Blade position needs to be removed, but the knowledge of who Ruin is stands. This ruling is final.

@Ecclessey @Sreeya

 

[Valen Pelora]

Post edited, change made to the following:

"Now, she stared at Ruin with his lightsaber ignited."

 

[Eccles]

@Sreeya.... Marco ..... Polo!


Yes we're playing a game of Marco Polo in this thread. Let's see if the dices keep me in the shadows ;)

 

[Valen Pelora]

Realized like a dingus I didn't include tags.

@Ecclessey @Apollyon @Sreeya

 

[Valen Pelora]

@Apollyon, I am seeking a little clarification on your latest post. Forgive my brevity, I'm on my phone.

The order of actions as I have them is as follows:

• EHSH fires 3 bolts at Ruin's back.
• Very shortly after (but not at the same time), Shae fires 2 bolts at Ruin's left flank.
• Liat is firing the net/grenade once EHSH finishes firing her bolts.

I have a few issues with the timing of everything. First, the building is 20 meters from Ruin's positions. So you are dodging bolts, deflecting bolts, moving 20 meters, and throwing your Lightsaber through 2 floors all in a very short time period. I think that's too many actions. I also think it's not realistic to be able to throw your saber through 2 floors with continued concentration, unless the floors are made of paper.

My biggest issue is the timing of the bolts. Mine are fired and then Sree fires almost at the same time. The secon set is slightly after the first.

You can turn and block Sree's but then mine likely hit. You can turn and block mine but then Sree's likely hit. I don't think you can "sense" Shae and then conviently turn to face her. That's not an interrupt but a retcon of your past post. Similarly, I don't put much stock in "catching something" out of the corner of your eye and then rushing towards it. That would give you very little time to react and you'd be rushing towards bolts fired at you. In that case, Sree's bolts would likely hit as well.

Simply put, blaster bolts travel at about 34 meters per second. You have 5 coming at you from 2 different angels from less than 34 meters away. I think you have to pick your poison on the bolts.

 

[Apollyon]

Your character is positioned three stories up on that building, meaning your angle of fire is limited UNLESS your character is fully leaning out of the window. That means, realistically Ruin would need to move about 15 meters before he was outside of your character's line of sight and line of fire. A top of this, your character was aiming at a stationary target, any movement would have to be accounted for which isn't stated she was prepped for before taking the shots. On top of this, I will state that moving towards an area while blocking is perfectly fine in my opinion as movement alters the location he was fired at. Blaster bolts don't home onto people, they are sent with trajectory. Dodging blaster bolts even ones fired at Sith and Jedi from behind is something we have seen countless times in past from material that was considered canon (Rebels, Clone Wars, etc). If your concerns are reaction times to something, we have seen both Jedi and Sith react to things fired at them in less then a second, from droidekas to sniper droids and everything between. I think you are putting a lot of stock in your opening posts tbf, especially since ALL parties are coming into this fight fresh minded and able bodied. However, to counter your argument about a lightsaber cutting through two floors, it wouldn't require much effort or concentration to shoot a super-heated plasma blade straight up through those floors as they are dura(con)crete. We have seen lightsabers pierce blast doors as if they are nothing, almost everything is paper to a lightsaber.

I'd more then agree with you if Ruin was busy butchering citizens or distracted by something else when your character opened fire, but he is literally standing around waiting for Jedi. He is PERFECTLY capable of reacting to something coming at him as he has nothing to distract him presently. I have NO issues editing actions down, because there are a lot of things he is doing and I agree with you on that point. However, moving from point a to point b while deflecting is a viable defense we have seen utilized in canon especially from practitioners of forms like Soresu or Djem So/Shien who are ALL about defense or counter aggression.

I will post edits tomorrow evening/tuesday evening, I just got home from work and I have two doubles over the next two days to contend with, so I likely won't be on the site at all.

 

[Valen Pelora]

I will wait to read the edits. However, I have informally discussed saber through the ceiling/floor with a staff member and received a hard no on the feasibility of such an action.

If your edits are simply removing the number of actions after the dodge, but still dodging in the same manner, we will likely be unable to come to a compromise. Opening posts are worth just as much as any other part of a PVP post (some might say more) and should not factor in to the feasibility or legitimacy of an attack or defense.

Let us know when the edits are complete.

 

[Valen Pelora]

@Arclight @GABA-wan Kenobi @Phoenix

Since the edits have not yet been made, and my time runs at 11:00AM tomorrow morning, I am requesting a 24 hour extension.

 

[GABA]

Extension granted, please have edits made before 11 PM Central on Tuesday.

 

[Apollyon]

Apologies, I just got home an hour ago. Had dinner, did all the wind down shit and I am getting ready for bed to do it again. I am off wednesday so getting the edits up shouldn't be an issue tomorrow evening.

 

[Valen Pelora]

Apologies, I just got home an hour ago. Had dinner, did all the wind down shit and I am getting ready for bed to do it again. I am off wednesday so getting the edits up shouldn't be an issue tomorrow evening.

Sounds good. Please let me know when the edits are done.

 

[Valen Pelora]

Well, since we are coming up on me timing out (11:00PM CT) and no edits have been made I have reported the post.

Edit: Please disregard my report. I misunderstood Gaba's ruling. I thought the extension applied to me. It actually applies to @Apollyon's time to edit.

 

[Apollyon]

Edits up, took the shots to the side, deflected the ones from the back. His chest piece is ruined but he basically just backs off and resets to prep for close quarter's combat.

 

[Apollyon]

Not the meatiest reply but there really wasn't much to reply to in all honesty

 

[Eccles]

@Valen Pelora that post is entirely too meta. If you read it back you'll undoubtedly agree and if you're really going to argue a post like that then I'd be really disappointed in you.

 

[Valen Pelora]

I specifically stated in my post before the most recent post that "Alexia kept her senses peeled throughout her actions." I also stated that the civilians were evacuated from the area, likely making the building empty. It is not unreasonable she would sense a lone figure in the building or find that suspicious. It is suspicious.

Frankly, I don't find it anymore "meta" then your post following a random Jedi in a Temple Guardian mask from the Temple that might be headed towards the market place.

"He was making his way towards it, dismissing some less-attuned Jedi knights as unworthy targets, when he spotted a figure wearing he mask of a temple guardian. Now that was a price he could bring back to his Emperor.

Trailing the Jedi guardian from the crowd of locals, Liat noticed that the guardian was on its way to the market and thus on its way to fight Darth Ruin"

I did not take issue with that post.

 

[Apollyon]

You specifically state in your post the civilians were evacuated but the guards and other Jedi were still there. On top of that, your character is instantly reacting to the click, that net would reach her in less then a second given the space between Liat and her. Aside from that, you are basically tracking someone's movements through the force while shooting at my character, utilizing force repulse with the magnitude to not only stop but send the net flying backwards in an instant, jumping out of the window and utilizing the force to prevent bone breakage.

If Ruin reacting to blaster bolts coming from 20-25 meters away was impossible or pushing probability then being able to INSTANTLY react to the sound of something is definitely impossible. Especially when she has full committed to those shots and the net is being fired during that action. Basically, I don't believe your post is possible in the slightest.

 

[Valen Pelora]

First, I try very hard to keep this OOC post as civil and professional as possible. I would appreciate the same courtesy when others have issues with my posts.

As a compromise, here are the edits I am intending to make after speaking with my teammates. The edits will be made this evening.

• The net hits EHSH as she is jumping out the window.
• She falls the three stories but uses the Force to brace against the fall.
• Minor injuries result because of the fall, but her use of the Force prevents any major damage.
• Lightsaber called into hand to cut out of the net.

@Ecclessey @Sreeya @Apollyon

 

[Apollyon]

I don't think you understand, so let's do some math! Liat is six feet behind your character, he fires the net as the third shot is fired, let's assume the net travels like 15-20 meters per second. In meters Liat is 1.829 meters behind your character. Even if your character is prepping to jump out that window after her third shot, she has to make that jump in less then a quarter of a second before the net hits. Even with peak human reactions that is impossible. With her lightsaber on her waist, she cannot cut out of the net, your character is caught.

I don't see a reasonable way you can get out of that post without bleeding into precog or negating your own post. Plain and simple.

 

[Valen Pelora]

I will again ask that we keep this as civil as possible. @Apollyon, you have been around long enough to know that snark/snide comments only make OOC resolutions more difficult.

I believe the edits I have suggested are a fair compromise and plausible. I have run them by several other members in an effort to make legitimate edits.

I'm sorry you do not agree. I will be making the edits tonight. Those will be my edits.