Santa and Jesus Both White, According to FOX News

[Wing]

Who cares about Santa? He's a made character that has since been commercialized. Whether or not Jesus existed, is Middle Eastern. Also, who really cares? Even as an atheist, doesn't the message Jesus tried to bring supposed to mean more than allegedly mortal body's ethnicity?

 

[Mistress]

Did you guys just learn that FOX isn't factual News, but rather possibly hands out biased opinions on issues, telling people what they want to hear to pacify society or even incite hype at their own, or some greater institutions' discretion?

 

[jpchewy01]

Who cares about Santa? He's a made character that has since been commercialized. Whether or not Jesus existed, is Middle Eastern. Also, who really cares? Even as an atheist, doesn't the message Jesus tried to bring supposed to mean more than allegedly mortal body's ethnicity?

I'll refer you to Brandon's post. This isn't about whether or not you care, it's about the fact that a journalist is passing this off as a "historical fact."

Did you guys just learn that FOX isn't factual News, but rather possibly hands out biased opinions on issues, telling people what they want to hear to pacify society or even incite hype at their own, or some greater institutions' discretion?

FOX News is the most watched cable news network in America. Unreliable though they may be, many people still watch their programming.

 

[RhanTegoth]

I don’t understand why the conversation has gotten to this place. It doesn’t matter what you think or you care about. What matters is that a so-called journalist made a statement saying that Jesus and Santa were absolutely positively white, which she passed off as an objective fact. That’s what you should care about: that this is what passes for journalism on the most watched cable news outlet in America.

As you say yourself, it's a "so-called" journalist. To be honest, we have some like that here as well, so it isn't reserved to American channels. That kind of "journalism" has a goal, besides the race and ethnicity part, making people talking about that and only that, while not listening at some more urgent concerns than an allegedly historical fact. What will people talk about for days after that? "Ooh some journalist said that both Santa and Jesus were white, did you hear?"

I don't doubt that many people is watching this kind of program, and seeing things like that is, in my own opinion, not surprising, neither it is (as wrong and sad it is) that some people will believe in that. For me (and this is why i don't care about some so-called journalist on a channel i know since a time for its lies and arrangements with real and proven facts), what matters is what is hidden under things people will talk about for days. While we are debating whether this is true or wrong, right or not, etc..., who is talking about what our governments are doing against financial crisis, unemployement, for climate and environment and many more important questions?

Even though my opinion should not matter on that subject, should i care about some silly person (to stay polite) telling us as a fact that Jesus and Santa are white? No. Plainly no. There are more important things to think about. What about people possibly believing what was told on Fox News? Well, that's sad there will be some, that's true. But there too, there'll always be people to believe in that.

 

[Malon]

Did you guys just learn that FOX isn't factual News, but rather possibly hands out biased opinions on issues, telling people what they want to hear to pacify society or even incite hype at their own, or some greater institutions' discretion?

And, in making that statement, you are also describing CNN, NBC, MSNBC and any other mainstream news outlet. The left-wing media is no more exempt from its extreme bias than its right counterparts are. That is a fact.

That aside, Brandon is right.

The fact that such statements could be made as undeniable fact on a non-opinion-based cable news program, which is the most watched in the United States, is truly astounding. But when you have people like Martin Bashir and his ilk making the inexcusable remarks that they do on national television, regardless of your political affiliation, really, how can you be surprised that such idiocy is allowed on television? And don't even get me started on Chris Matthews. Its amazing the man even has a career at this point.

I'll go back to my first point. All news outlets are bias. They all make mind-numbingly stupid statements that make the average American twitch and convulse as if they are having a seizure. You want to form a proper opinion? Inform yourself. Read the left and the right's points, read all sorts of view points on the matter, and make your own opinion of it. Or, better yet, just use common sense. Its funny how often that simple principle has been forgotten in today's society.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

And, in making that statement, you are also describing CNN, NBC, MSNBC and any other mainstream news outlet. The left-wing media is no more exempt from its extreme bias than its right counterparts are. That is a fact.

That's a false equivalency. MSNBC may lean left (CNN's bias is fake neutrality), but there is no legitimate extreme left to compare to the far right and FOX News. MSNBC may be a liberal news network, but it is not a political operation. FOX News is a political operation. Republican politicians, conservative organizations, and the conservative media all very carefully work together to coordinate messages. FOX News was specifically founded for this, because Roger Ailes (who worked for Nixon and is now head of FOX News) wanted to use right-wing media to help Nixon.

The left does not have anything like this. There's a difference between people in the media being liberal, and having a carefully coordinated liberal-media. The former exists, the latter does not. The real bias of most of the mainstream media is not political. It's laziness and sensationalism.

The fact that such statements could be made as undeniable fact on a non-opinion-based cable news program, which is the most watched in the United States, is truly astounding. But when you have people like Martin Bashir and his ilk making the inexcusable remarks that they do on national television, regardless of your political affiliation, really, how can you be surprised that such idiocy is allowed on television? And don't even get me started on Chris Matthews. Its amazing the man even has a career at this point.

Here's the thing. Martin Bashir said one really bad thing, and he lost his job. People in right-wing talk radio, and on FOX for that matter, get paid to say horrible things like that every day. Sure, maybe they don't outright say "someone should shit in so-and-so's mouth," but the racist, homophobic, anti-poor, etc. statements they make every day are far, far worse and damaging than anything an irrelevant person like Martin Bashir has to say. So to present Martin Bashir as proof that liberals in the media are just as bad as conservatives is a claim that holds no water. I mean really, Martin Bashir's first mistake was not that he made that horrible comment. It was to actually talk about an even more irrelevant person like Sarah Palin as if she matters.

And Chris Matthews is just a loudmouth. He doesn't actually say extreme things.

 

[OhNoesBunnies]

I remember watching Fox News when I was little (this is relevant to them discussing how Jesus is 100% white always and forever) and they brought up a young black gentleman talking about Santa being black. One of the news Anchors for the channel (I think it was Fox 11?) said "A young African-American thinks Santa is white... What a surprise!" I couldn't tell if he was being sarcastic or honestly surprised other people might view Santa differently.

Now I think I know which one it is.

 

[Blaxican]

...which one is it?

 

[jpchewy01]

...which one is it?

Obviously that one.

 

[Noirceur]

Well, for what we know, Jesus could be white, or black, bald, or long-haired. We'll never know. The whole thing about Jesus being white is because of a representation someone made that everyone liked, white and with long hair. And the Santa thing is the same. If some people want to believe that he is white, they can. If others want to believe he is black, they can. The problem with this article is that they are breaking that freedom of thought by claiming that Jesus and Santa are NECESSARILY white.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

Well, for what we know, Jesus could be white, or black, bald, or long-haired. We'll never know.

You could say that about anything in history, but that doesn't mean we can't generally figure things out or come to a basic consensus. Based on what we know about Jesus, we can infer what his skin color looked like. And based on where he lived, we know he would most likely look like a Palestinian.

 

[Jason Vaiken]

I don't really care either way as to the depiction of Santa. Jebus I'd like to see done historically accurate just to stick it to Christian bigots, but that's mostly me. Other than that, I don't really care. And yes, I know anthropologists have nothing to do with curing AIDS and malaria (and I know Malaria is preventable and treatable, but it is a big issue across all of Africa where thousands die of it every year), but their archaeological digs and research and such still requires funding/money that I feel could be better spent on trying to deal with genuine real world problems, rather than investigating the circumstances of a random middle-eastern Jew that lived around 2017 years ago.

Well he was born when Jerusalem was under Roman occupation, specifically under the Roman Emperor Tiberius. Secondly I am Catholic and I don't like being called a bigot when I don't (unlike many) attack people with my religion.

"I like to think of the Bible as a piece of wood; you can use it to build something constructive or you can run around attacking people with it."

I get the feeling because it's not right that some people love to bash people who aren't Catholic or Christian. Honestly it annoys me too that people are thrusting their beliefs on others or saying, "Oh you're not Christian you're gonna burn in hell."

At the end of the day you get to decide whatever you wish to believe in. But this issue of changing two men to better fit the racial changes in America is a little crazy. Secondly Fox should have just let it be. There are a lot more newsworthy topics and stories out there which they completely ignore. That's my fifty-cents.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

Secondly I am Catholic and I don't like being called a bigot when I don't (unlike many) attack people with my religion.

Kiro did not call you a bigot. That was not a reference to you. It was a reference to racists who are also Christians and who cannot fathom the idea of a non-white Jesus, despite the fact that he was almost certainly not white.

But this issue of changing two men to better fit the racial changes in America is a little crazy.

The point is that, from a historical perspective, these two men were not white to begin with. When it comes to Jesus, white Jews in that part of the world are mostly the result of then-European Jews moving to the modern Israel after the end of World War 2. Prior to that, people from ancient Israel/Palestine would have looked more like Palestinians. When it comes to Santa Claus, St. Nicholas was from modern-day Turkey.

 

[OhNoesBunnies]

One day I'm going to invent a terrible super-weapon that turns everyone's skin color to a purplish-teal tint with an oily glaze.

Then this issue simply won't matter. The fact that we're even discussing a topic about the idiocy of a collection of people makes me sad. Sometimes I wish the world could be a less ignorant and spiteful place than it is, even if its better than it used to be.