Rector Training OOC

[Omnis]

This thread is to discuss all matters relating to training! Yes, all matters relating to training. Though the main focus is anything pertaining to training with the Rector, whether it's a training mission or one-on-one session, this thread can be for anyone wishing to voice concerns/questions about training in general within the Sith Imperium.

So, ask or discuss anything about training with the Sith Order. I'm all ears. I'll answer everything I can, hear all concerns, and help workshop new opportunities. Come up with thread ideas, ask me how to network with other Sith, tell me how to improve something. Anything. Bring it.

To be clear, this is not a sign-up thread. Sign ups for training missions will be in the Classes and Sessions board, under the Missions and Applications board. Sign ups for personal training will be in the Training Requests board. You can also VM or PM me any time.

Cheers!

 

[Flamjetxx]

Something that has been nagging at me has been the rules regarding multiple lightsaber forms. Everyone should know that an Acolyte level character only has the capacity to learn a single lightsaber form, but once you start looking at the higher ranks, we see Crusaders and Masters knowing multiple forms.

Now, I've heard somewhere, don't remember who it was, that even Crusader level charries can only know one form. I want some confirmation or if this is more of a grey area meant to be guided by common sense. What should, not only myself, but what should Everyone know about the number of lightsaber forms each rank can learn.

And can we get the reasons behind why this rank can only know how many forms. Just so that no one can argue ;)

 

[Taz]

Just my two cents here but a character should be able to use as many forms as he can learn, same with powers. May not be able to Master them but they shouldn't be limited to at least learn and progress if they wish to.

 

[Rector_Ras]

Just my two cents here but a character should be able to use as many forms as he can learn, same with powers. May not be able to Master them but they shouldn't be limited to at least learn and progress if they wish to.

The rule on forms is to keep it real/ Realisticly learning a new form would take A LOT of time to learn even the basics of and getting to the point of fighting with it even longer. Because we don't make you wait a year to use a style in a fight it balances out. Powers arnt really numberd as long as they are acolyte powers.

Flam last time I heard it was 1 for acolytes, 2 for crusaders and 3 for Masters Omnis could clear that better then I can though.

Sorry Omnis Im stole your thunder ;)

 

[Omnis]

Great question, Ark. Let me break it down. :)

1. The official rules for the Sith Faction are that Acolytes and Crusaders may know only ONE Form. Masters may learn two. Higher ranks may know three, with two mastered and one advanced.

2. The reason some of our current Crusaders (shouldn't be many) have two Forms is due to a time when the Sith leadership was not enforcing the rules and didn't have the guidelines set out anywhere. It wasn't fair for us to punish those players, so we didn't ask them to edit their profiles. However, if I were to see a Crusader with two Forms now, I would certainly tell them to drop one.

3. Saber Forms are not like real life sword Forms. To reinforce this idea, I'm going to draw a parallel example. In this universe, a character cannot effectively use a light saber just because they know how to use a sword. They're as likely to cut off one of their own limbs as anyone else's.Why? It takes a long time to learn how to use one properly, because of elements like its inherent ddangerousness, weight distribution, and yes, even its interaction with the Force.

While it might be relatively easy to learn multiple styles of sword combat in real life, Forms in Star Wars are assumed to be more complicated than they seem to us and transcend merely physical movements. Whereas it might take you only a small amount of time to learn a sword style, it takes a Jedi or Sith years to learn just one Form.

Now, the movies, for once, are not withstanding here. The Wookie will tell you that Obi-wan and Anakin use all seven Forms frequently. That's just to make a more entertaining film, and should not be held as a good example.




Further questions? :)

 

[Marf]

Are Crusaders allowed to have one form which they are fully knowledgeable of and utilize in combat, and a second which they are only training in, but can't use proficiently enough to defend themselves with? It makes sense to me they would start practising in a second form early in preparation for Masterhood.

It also makes sense that they would basic understanding of a second form to balance out/counter the weaknesses of their primary form.

 

[Flamjetxx]

Thank you Ras and Omnis. That cleared things up for me! And I am interested to see what you have to say in response to the above question. It does make sense so long as the second form never sees proficient until Master Level.

 

[Omnis]

Are Crusaders allowed to have one form which they are fully knowledgeable of and utilize in combat, and a second which they are only training in, but can't use proficiently enough to defend themselves with? It makes sense to me they would start practising in a second form early in preparation for Masterhood.

It also makes sense that they would basic understanding of a second form to balance out/counter the weaknesses of their primary form.

Also a good question!

Yes, this is very possible. It's best to clarify this in the profile, but certainly may be done. After all, why risk getting killed trying to use a Form you're not yet proficient in? But it's wise to get a head start if you can. However, be aware, it definitely takes away from the time you could be spending on mastering the first Form. There's a trade off, there.

I'm happy to continue answering questions or elaborate further on previous points.

 

[Taz]

Thirteen is no where near Crusader, but my plan him after the epic fail of Gaius was to have him learn from the ground up how to be a Sith/Dark Jedi in this site/form. That being said I was hoping to start a solo training threat as explained in Acolytes without Masters, and exampled in Clepsydra (solo). Where in Thirteen begins to learn the sub-form of Ventress, among other things. It is possible that he could learn the basics of this in such a fashion that it would become his primary combat style by the time he makes Crusader and still remain within the rules of the faction/site ?

 

[Flamjetxx]

By what I understand, and I could be wrong, is that so long as you give 13 a TON of IC experience with the skill, then it could potentially become Mastered throughout solo threads. Now of 'course, Mastery would come long after achieving Crusadership, but your idea of doing solo threads to learn a form of lightsaber combat, isn't impossible. You just have to remember that solo threads are graded FAR more harshly than training/class threads. And you need to take into account that you aren't only learning one form of Makashi, but you're taking that skill to the next level by applying Jark Kai to it, which isn't an easy thing to apply any form apart from Niman- and even then...

What I'm saying is that, to get that skill to anything near proficient, you'll have to put a LOT of work into developing the skill. This is multiple threads just to get it to a point where you can say that you are using it in a duel setting, let alone being able to say "utilizable" under the form's proficiency in 13's profile. What I would do, is I'd start off with simply Makashi, and do a few threads with it outlining the finer details of the skill in a multiple solo threads.This means that you're going to have to do a bit of OOC research, by looking up training threads for the style Makashi/ look it up on the Wookie to make it sound like you're character actually knows what he's doing, and don't forget to give an IC justification as to why your character is learning the skill, and knows just what he's doing with it. That may be researching in the Sith Archives, Whipping out a holocron, or even creating a Crusader NPC to teach your charrie the basics of the skill.

After you feel that you have a barely utilizable, or maybe not even a utilizable version of the Makashi style under 13's belt, then I'd request to test it out in a duel-like training session with a fellow acolyte or Crusader, and if you want to stay true to the Solo idea, then you can make that Acolyte an NPC or a Crusader, but keep in mind that with developing the skill, that such a new skill will cause frustrations, misunderstandings, and other difficulties with applying the form-- Which I only say so that you remember to make an interesting and realistic solo experience while it is reviewed.

Only once you are sure that your charrie has a firm grasp on the Makashi style, will I suggest you even think about applying Jar Kai, and then you basically start all over! The main thing to remember here is that Solo threads judged harsher than other types of training threads. I'm sure there's more information I'm missing here, but Omnis will be around to confirm or ask you to disregard everything above this ;)

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As for my own question:

-When ranking up to Crusader, I know there is a list of requirements needed to achieve this rank. Assuming I've signed my character up for all the necessary threads, but have not finished a few of them, would I still be likely to get the promotion? In Ark's case, I've completed an excess of threads in the other categories: being Training, Duels, and Missions; I have an excess of training threads, and have participated in an excess of duels, that are in threads that aren't labelled as duels -otherwise I have the bare minimum of duels.
But I have completed only 1 of my three Missions, but have currently signed up for my other two missions: I'm half way through one, but only having just started my third. Would Ark be likely to receive Crusader if he applied right now?

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1) And in expanding upon other situations: If my Sith has signed up and started the bare minimum threads to achieve Crusadership, but haven't completed a single one, what are this Sith's chances?

2) If My with has completed ONLY the bare minimum threads needed for Crusadership, what are his chances?

3) If my Sith has Signed up for more than the Bare minimum threads, but has only completed about half of them while the others are either just started or half way through, what are his chances?

4) If my Sith has an excess of one/two types of threads: i.e. 7 Training threads and 6 Missions - as compared to 5 training, 3 duels, 3 missions-, then what are his chances?

-Thank you for your help! :)

 

[Omnis]

Thirteen is no where near Crusader, but my plan him after the epic fail of Gaius was to have him learn from the ground up how to be a Sith/Dark Jedi in this site/form. That being said I was hoping to start a solo training threat as explained in Acolytes without Masters, and exampled in Clepsydra (solo). Where in Thirteen begins to learn the sub-form of Ventress, among other things. It is possible that he could learn the basics of this in such a fashion that it would become his primary combat style by the time he makes Crusader and still remain within the rules of the faction/site ?

By what I understand, and I could be wrong, is that so long as you give 13 a TON of IC experience with the skill, then it could potentially become Mastered throughout solo threads. Now of 'course, Mastery would come long after achieving Crusadership, but your idea of doing solo threads to learn a form of lightsaber combat, isn't impossible. You just have to remember that solo threads are graded FAR more harshly than training/class threads. And you need to take into account that you aren't only learning one form of Makashi, but you're taking that skill to the next level by applying Jark Kai to it, which isn't an easy thing to apply any form apart from Niman- and even then...

What I'm saying is that, to get that skill to anything near proficient, you'll have to put a LOT of work into developing the skill. This is multiple threads just to get it to a point where you can say that you are using it in a duel setting, let alone being able to say "utilizable" under the form's proficiency in 13's profile. What I would do, is I'd start off with simply Makashi, and do a few threads with it outlining the finer details of the skill in a multiple solo threads.This means that you're going to have to do a bit of OOC research, by looking up training threads for the style Makashi/ look it up on the Wookie to make it sound like you're character actually knows what he's doing, and don't forget to give an IC justification as to why your character is learning the skill, and knows just what he's doing with it. That may be researching in the Sith Archives, Whipping out a holocron, or even creating a Crusader NPC to teach your charrie the basics of the skill.

After you feel that you have a barely utilizable, or maybe not even a utilizable version of the Makashi style under 13's belt, then I'd request to test it out in a duel-like training session with a fellow acolyte or Crusader, and if you want to stay true to the Solo idea, then you can make that Acolyte an NPC or a Crusader, but keep in mind that with developing the skill, that such a new skill will cause frustrations, misunderstandings, and other difficulties with applying the form-- Which I only say so that you remember to make an interesting and realistic solo experience while it is reviewed.

Only once you are sure that your charrie has a firm grasp on the Makashi style, will I suggest you even think about applying Jar Kai, and then you basically start all over! The main thing to remember here is that Solo threads judged harsher than other types of training threads. I'm sure there's more information I'm missing here, but Omnis will be around to confirm or ask you to disregard everything above this

This actually pretty well states the answer. In the short: while you can't have two Forms, if the sub-form you're looking for is within the single Form you've chosen to study, there's no reason you can't gain some proficiency with it during training. Solo training is okay, but as Ark mentioned is scrutinized a bit harder. For the record, true mastery can't come until at least the Master rank. Even very advanced Acolytes or Crusaders are still going to be inferior to Master rank characters in a given area.

As for my own question:

-When ranking up to Crusader, I know there is a list of requirements needed to achieve this rank. Assuming I've signed my character up for all the necessary threads, but have not finished a few of them, would I still be likely to get the promotion? In Ark's case, I've completed an excess of threads in the other categories: being Training, Duels, and Missions; I have an excess of training threads, and have participated in an excess of duels, that are in threads that aren't labelled as duels -otherwise I have the bare minimum of duels.
But I have completed only 1 of my three Missions, but have currently signed up for my other two missions: I'm half way through one, but only having just started my third. Would Ark be likely to receive Crusader if he applied right now?

--
1) And in expanding upon other situations: If my Sith has signed up and started the bare minimum threads to achieve Crusadership, but haven't completed a single one, what are this Sith's chances?

2) If My with has completed ONLY the bare minimum threads needed for Crusadership, what are his chances?

3) If my Sith has Signed up for more than the Bare minimum threads, but has only completed about half of them while the others are either just started or half way through, what are his chances?

4) If my Sith has an excess of one/two types of threads: i.e. 7 Training threads and 6 Missions - as compared to 5 training, 3 duels, 3 missions-, then what are his chances?

-Thank you for your help! :)

0) Threads must be completed (or have otherwise fallen to inactivity through no fault of your own and still had a significant portion of content).

1) Nil.

2) Officially, these are the MINIMUMS. We generally only accept the minimums on those that have put in an exemplary effort across that minimum number of threads. Otherwise, we typically like to see more.

3) Nil.

4) Let's elaborate. Having an excess in any area is certainly a good thing, and will significantly improve your chances. However, if what you're talking about is having an excess in one area to make up for not having enough in another area, your chances will still be nil.

 

[Flamjetxx]

Thanks, super helpful!
*4) Yes, that was what I meant by that question.

 

[Taz]

Wasn't planning to start using it any time soon. but wanted to at least start the training to that he could at least utilize it when/if he becomes Crusader. I wanted something a little different and I like Ventress' character so when I read it was a sub-form I thought it'd be cool. Part of the reason I made Thirteen so young was so he could learn and flesh out threw rp. This is one of the things I wanted to clarify so that you both for the impute.