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Completely. I'll try to do what I can and let Aliyah survive. Maybe we can actually fight this out :). Edits incoming.
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So, I feel a little bad for adding something else on top of what you're already editing, but I figured better now than after you've made edits and have to edit again.
Given that in your prior post you specifically stated that you took part in the meld, you can't then just say that the single drawback of being in the meld doesn't affect you. You were going to take the good, the bad comes with it.
With that on the table, being spun around, having Lekku pulled by two different level 4s, the distance you would have to cover just to strike, I just honestly don't see a realistic way out of this.
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Given that in your prior post you specifically stated that you took part in the meld, you can't then just say that the single drawback of being in the meld doesn't affect you. You were going to take the good, the bad comes with it.
With that on the table, being spun around, having Lekku pulled by two different level 4s, the distance you would have to cover just to strike, I just honestly don't see a realistic way out of this.
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Neither do I. But I have to try. Otherwise, Aliyah would just roll over. Even if I let the attacks hit, she is still going to try.
If and when your posting time comes, If I haven't come up with something good enough, I will edit it to reflect the effects.
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@Nightfall096 One point about your post - This was in my last post before the Jedi posted: "Thankfully, Cregan erected a barrier to stop the Light directly in its path, the ball colliding against the barrier and fizzling out. " I bolded the significant part. Jedi never contested this or raised issues around it and locked it in. Therefore by the time it gets to your post, the Light is already gone. Jinlo's interrupt would be for Cregan continuing to sustain the barrier against any other attacks but not the Light. Just pointing this out in advance - you don't have to change your post really.
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Yo @Plebometer !
Alright so I'm going to address my issues with your post as best I can in this post;
- Your timing is off on your trailing blade attack; you mentioned it was coming up for an attack after you used the blinding technique, whereas you're referring at the beginning to Evandrus' opening movement, which happens before the blinding so before the beginning of your attack.
- You assume a fatal autohit with your trailing blade and I don't know why. Your attack shouldn't actually be possible as Kravos has not stopped his use of the Force to push your lower blade back into your leg, therefore you would first need to completely over power him to move the blade into an attack.
- If you do put your all into overpowering his attack, then you have no force concentration left to block the lightning from Evandrus, which is said to have not only never stopped but instead intensified since it first connected with your chest. It doesn't even need to hit you since it already has - it's already connected so you'd be getting all of his power, into your chest, as lightning.
- Kravos' Force pull on your head is also happening at the same time as him holding your blade back and the lightning still hitting your chest; not after. Again, an issue with the timing.
- I also don't understand what defence you've used against Kravos' pull because the pull was to slam your head into the ground and you're acting like it's just pulled her head back a bit? I think you might have misinterpreted that attack if I'm honest
- Using a kyber crystal doesn't have any kind of PVP boost that I'm aware of so shouldn't assist you with either a defence against Kravos' pull or in your stasis on Andraste
- Andraste is out of your line of sight when you are attempting to use stasis on her and, as you have not defended against Kravos' pull, you would be using stasis while travelling very quickly to the ground, head first which beggers belief imo
Alright so I'm going to address my issues with your post as best I can in this post;
- Your timing is off on your trailing blade attack; you mentioned it was coming up for an attack after you used the blinding technique, whereas you're referring at the beginning to Evandrus' opening movement, which happens before the blinding so before the beginning of your attack.
- You assume a fatal autohit with your trailing blade and I don't know why. Your attack shouldn't actually be possible as Kravos has not stopped his use of the Force to push your lower blade back into your leg, therefore you would first need to completely over power him to move the blade into an attack.
- If you do put your all into overpowering his attack, then you have no force concentration left to block the lightning from Evandrus, which is said to have not only never stopped but instead intensified since it first connected with your chest. It doesn't even need to hit you since it already has - it's already connected so you'd be getting all of his power, into your chest, as lightning.
- Kravos' Force pull on your head is also happening at the same time as him holding your blade back and the lightning still hitting your chest; not after. Again, an issue with the timing.
- I also don't understand what defence you've used against Kravos' pull because the pull was to slam your head into the ground and you're acting like it's just pulled her head back a bit? I think you might have misinterpreted that attack if I'm honest
- Using a kyber crystal doesn't have any kind of PVP boost that I'm aware of so shouldn't assist you with either a defence against Kravos' pull or in your stasis on Andraste
- Andraste is out of your line of sight when you are attempting to use stasis on her and, as you have not defended against Kravos' pull, you would be using stasis while travelling very quickly to the ground, head first which beggers belief imo
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Right sorry for the delay, 400 mile round road trip for work was a complete mare of a long day!
Anyways on to the questions at hand, cos i'm a BBcode inpaired, doing the usual routine of copying of text with responses below in different colour
Apologies in advance if its a bit rambling and for the tardyness in response the 19 hour day is starting to catch up on me, but would be back to normal to discuss further post work tomorrow. ^_^
- Your timing is off on your trailing blade attack; you mentioned it was coming up for an attack after you used the blinding technique, whereas you're referring at the beginning to Evandrus' opening movement, which happens before the blinding so before the beginning of your attack.
This likely might have been a misunderstanding and perhaps should have noted it in the post. The series of events as from what had read from Evandrus's post with him initially raising his saber to further push on Jin's blade that was read to be as the counter to Jins attempt to break the magnetic lock, and that was to two cancelling each other out. which is why didn't note it...
The push i was referencing in the post was the second push of her light saber blade, that was noted on the realisation of the manifestation of the blinding light, after Evandrus had focused almost all of his power on the Force lightning which was being weathered by Jins Force shield and bearing through the sting of what was like a training saber. Which would have coincided or lead to the upper blade of jin's saber retreating backwards, but in the post there was no clear mention of how the trailing blade from the swing was countered.
- You assume a fatal autohit with your trailing blade and I don't know why. Your attack shouldn't actually be possible as Kravos has not stopped his use of the Force to push your lower blade back into your leg, therefore you would first need to completely over power him to move the blade into an attack.
As had written in the preceding post, Jin had extended her Force shield from around her body to also encompass her lightsaber hilt so that she could dampen and reduce the effect of Kravo's remote manipulation of her saber, so she was able to wrest physical control back over her weapon. So she could counter the first attempt where he took hold of the lower half of her weapon and igniting it. It was from there, through the use of Force shield, and her physical strength she had initially butted the fore blade forwards and backwards to break the magnetic lock, before following up with the Blinding light and the immediate clockwise swing of her saber staff so that her foreblade retreated over behind her whilst the trailing blade swung up from beneath.
The basis for the presumed autohit, is based on what i recall from the rules for combat, if the move is ignored or not acknowledged, then it is considered as an autohit, which was the reasoning for this. From Evandrus' last post there was no clear mention of avoiding the upwards swing of the lower blade.
But with what you were saying regarding it not being possible to over power the force hold of her saber to be able to carry out the moves in the preceding post. To the best of my knowledge that set of movements wasn't queried or contested before the Sithy posts, so had went on the understanding that what Jin had done in that post was acceptable and had become locked in.
With regards to the fatality, because Evandrus's armour is durasteel rather than phrik there is little protection against the saber's blade, so had went on the basis of the saber continuing up to the point where it would meet a stopping resistance, Evandrus' Saber that was leveled over his chest.
- If you do put your all into overpowering his attack, then you have no force concentration left to block the lightning from Evandrus, which is said to have not only never stopped but instead intensified since it first connected with your chest. It doesn't even need to hit you since it already has - it's already connected so you'd be getting all of his power, into your chest, as lightning.
Jinlo has been using Force Shield since her first turn of combat, which from my understanding on the article, if a Force user uses it to generate an aura around themselves it would provide protection against force powers, which was how had written the resistance / countering of the Force based attacks being actioned against her in the preceding post. Similar to as mentioned above. As this had not been raised or contested for the previous post where Jin carried out the actions had understood that the defense posed was acceptable.
- Kravos' Force pull on your head is also happening at the same time as him holding your blade back and the lightning still hitting your chest; not after. Again, an issue with the timing.
From what had read, Kravo's hold of Jinlos neck/head came about after the acknowledgement of her blinding light being used the use of the Force choke / suplex was following the comment on the blinding light not being pleasant but was far enough to not be affected, before going on to say he continued to force grip her saber then wrap a tendril of the force around her neck etc.
Prior to that Kravos commented on her resisting the initial use of the Force hold on her saber staff, from the actions in her preceding post. Before making his next move, but the explanation of that move came after the mention of the blinding light where it read as if Kravos had saw his opening post this then enacted the neck / head.
- I also don't understand what defence you've used against Kravos' pull because the pull was to slam your head into the ground and you're acting like it's just pulled her head back a bit? I think you might have misinterpreted that attack if I'm honest
There has been no significant defense presented to directly counter the choke, believe had noted it to be an abrupt pull of her neck upwards from which she just acted on instincts by deactivating her light sabers and the rest. But with regards to the defense that would be up to the point where she drops the Force shield to do the hail mary move at the end.
- Using a kyber crystal doesn't have any kind of PVP boost that I'm aware of so shouldn't assist you with either a defence against Kravos' pull or in your stasis on Andraste
Agreed, though for clarity the referral to drawing upon the Force through the Kyber crystal is more in keeping with the character lore side of things. The intent was purely to keep in character for her, rather than playing to some power boost, knowing that Jin is limited to her level and doesn't possess anything like Kalladrlls gauntlet or the likes.
- Andraste is out of your line of sight when you are attempting to use stasis on her and, as you have not defended against Kravos' pull, you would be using stasis while travelling very quickly to the ground, head first which beggers belief imo
Following on from Sreeya contacting me last night, with what was discussed and was explained, the use of Force stasis was Jinlo's hail mary attempt to do a final act before Kravos cracked her skull open on the floor, that might have been able to assist. From what was covered during the discussion, it was a last ditch attempt to assist.
With regards to the positioning and line of sight, from what we discussed the arrangement was of a diamond shape as i'm going to cack handedly do below with Arrows showing direction of view so the speak
Whilst would agree on what was discussed and attempted to show above line of sight would be an issue, the belief was for level 3s that they could track multiple opponents, so had perhaps incorrectly interpreted that to mean that LOS wasn't an issue for that level as opposed to it being say level 1 or 2? But as iterated the stasis attempt was Jin's dying Hail mary before her head got smashed, whether it is effective or not, would be for countering / or noting how didn't have any affect since it would be conditional if Andraste advanced towards Vollen from what Sree and I discussed, so if she didn't advance then it would have little effect.
Anyways on to the questions at hand, cos i'm a BBcode inpaired, doing the usual routine of copying of text with responses below in different colour
Apologies in advance if its a bit rambling and for the tardyness in response the 19 hour day is starting to catch up on me, but would be back to normal to discuss further post work tomorrow. ^_^
- Your timing is off on your trailing blade attack; you mentioned it was coming up for an attack after you used the blinding technique, whereas you're referring at the beginning to Evandrus' opening movement, which happens before the blinding so before the beginning of your attack.
This likely might have been a misunderstanding and perhaps should have noted it in the post. The series of events as from what had read from Evandrus's post with him initially raising his saber to further push on Jin's blade that was read to be as the counter to Jins attempt to break the magnetic lock, and that was to two cancelling each other out. which is why didn't note it...
The push i was referencing in the post was the second push of her light saber blade, that was noted on the realisation of the manifestation of the blinding light, after Evandrus had focused almost all of his power on the Force lightning which was being weathered by Jins Force shield and bearing through the sting of what was like a training saber. Which would have coincided or lead to the upper blade of jin's saber retreating backwards, but in the post there was no clear mention of how the trailing blade from the swing was countered.
- You assume a fatal autohit with your trailing blade and I don't know why. Your attack shouldn't actually be possible as Kravos has not stopped his use of the Force to push your lower blade back into your leg, therefore you would first need to completely over power him to move the blade into an attack.
As had written in the preceding post, Jin had extended her Force shield from around her body to also encompass her lightsaber hilt so that she could dampen and reduce the effect of Kravo's remote manipulation of her saber, so she was able to wrest physical control back over her weapon. So she could counter the first attempt where he took hold of the lower half of her weapon and igniting it. It was from there, through the use of Force shield, and her physical strength she had initially butted the fore blade forwards and backwards to break the magnetic lock, before following up with the Blinding light and the immediate clockwise swing of her saber staff so that her foreblade retreated over behind her whilst the trailing blade swung up from beneath.
The basis for the presumed autohit, is based on what i recall from the rules for combat, if the move is ignored or not acknowledged, then it is considered as an autohit, which was the reasoning for this. From Evandrus' last post there was no clear mention of avoiding the upwards swing of the lower blade.
But with what you were saying regarding it not being possible to over power the force hold of her saber to be able to carry out the moves in the preceding post. To the best of my knowledge that set of movements wasn't queried or contested before the Sithy posts, so had went on the understanding that what Jin had done in that post was acceptable and had become locked in.
With regards to the fatality, because Evandrus's armour is durasteel rather than phrik there is little protection against the saber's blade, so had went on the basis of the saber continuing up to the point where it would meet a stopping resistance, Evandrus' Saber that was leveled over his chest.
- If you do put your all into overpowering his attack, then you have no force concentration left to block the lightning from Evandrus, which is said to have not only never stopped but instead intensified since it first connected with your chest. It doesn't even need to hit you since it already has - it's already connected so you'd be getting all of his power, into your chest, as lightning.
Jinlo has been using Force Shield since her first turn of combat, which from my understanding on the article, if a Force user uses it to generate an aura around themselves it would provide protection against force powers, which was how had written the resistance / countering of the Force based attacks being actioned against her in the preceding post. Similar to as mentioned above. As this had not been raised or contested for the previous post where Jin carried out the actions had understood that the defense posed was acceptable.
- Kravos' Force pull on your head is also happening at the same time as him holding your blade back and the lightning still hitting your chest; not after. Again, an issue with the timing.
From what had read, Kravo's hold of Jinlos neck/head came about after the acknowledgement of her blinding light being used the use of the Force choke / suplex was following the comment on the blinding light not being pleasant but was far enough to not be affected, before going on to say he continued to force grip her saber then wrap a tendril of the force around her neck etc.
Prior to that Kravos commented on her resisting the initial use of the Force hold on her saber staff, from the actions in her preceding post. Before making his next move, but the explanation of that move came after the mention of the blinding light where it read as if Kravos had saw his opening post this then enacted the neck / head.
- I also don't understand what defence you've used against Kravos' pull because the pull was to slam your head into the ground and you're acting like it's just pulled her head back a bit? I think you might have misinterpreted that attack if I'm honest
There has been no significant defense presented to directly counter the choke, believe had noted it to be an abrupt pull of her neck upwards from which she just acted on instincts by deactivating her light sabers and the rest. But with regards to the defense that would be up to the point where she drops the Force shield to do the hail mary move at the end.
- Using a kyber crystal doesn't have any kind of PVP boost that I'm aware of so shouldn't assist you with either a defence against Kravos' pull or in your stasis on Andraste
Agreed, though for clarity the referral to drawing upon the Force through the Kyber crystal is more in keeping with the character lore side of things. The intent was purely to keep in character for her, rather than playing to some power boost, knowing that Jin is limited to her level and doesn't possess anything like Kalladrlls gauntlet or the likes.
- Andraste is out of your line of sight when you are attempting to use stasis on her and, as you have not defended against Kravos' pull, you would be using stasis while travelling very quickly to the ground, head first which beggers belief imo
Following on from Sreeya contacting me last night, with what was discussed and was explained, the use of Force stasis was Jinlo's hail mary attempt to do a final act before Kravos cracked her skull open on the floor, that might have been able to assist. From what was covered during the discussion, it was a last ditch attempt to assist.
With regards to the positioning and line of sight, from what we discussed the arrangement was of a diamond shape as i'm going to cack handedly do below with Arrows showing direction of view so the speak
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V
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Kra> Evand> <Jin
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Vol
Whilst would agree on what was discussed and attempted to show above line of sight would be an issue, the belief was for level 3s that they could track multiple opponents, so had perhaps incorrectly interpreted that to mean that LOS wasn't an issue for that level as opposed to it being say level 1 or 2? But as iterated the stasis attempt was Jin's dying Hail mary before her head got smashed, whether it is effective or not, would be for countering / or noting how didn't have any affect since it would be conditional if Andraste advanced towards Vollen from what Sree and I discussed, so if she didn't advance then it would have little effect.
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Incorrect.
"With her muscles spasming under the electricity of the other Sith Lord, the resistance around her saber (which, if it was lost, would cut her in two), the flash against the other Sith Lord, and the bodily (saberly?) attack against Cregan, it was nigh impossible for her to resist the Dark Lord's grasp."
That's me listing all the things that are happening to her as he's attacking. That is absolutely happening simultaneous to the Force flash. That's the entire reason I put it in there, and even state that he's using the fact that she's flashing him as his opening.
"...she was flashing Evandrus.... And that was what Kravos saw as his opening"
Also, I just looked at the positioning, and actually Kravos is on the other side of Vollen and Andraste.... i thought that Evandrus was facing the same way as Andraste and Jin the same way as Vollen, but if you're facing away from Vollen and Andraste, then your back is actually entirely to Kravos... idk if it affects anything, but thought I should mention it.
Post 5: "She [Andraste] was adorably tiny standing between her husbands"
Post 10: "He [Kravos] stepped quickly to the side to avoid any blast of light"
Post 11: "Evandrus stepped to the side as well (away from both Kravos and Andraste)"
Now granted, I didn't specify jumping in the opposite direction of Cregan, but he did specify jumping in the opposite direction of me, and given that Kravos isn't getting hit by any of the attacks thrown at Andraste, it's safe to assume he's on the opposite side of her still and therefore behind Jin
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Hey @Plebometer & @Nightfall096 - I've reported the last Jinlo post to get a ruling so the pvp timer is on hold while we wait for that
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Ooooky doky, here we go. We've received a PvP ruling asking two question, and I'll address both in order:
1) Is Evandrus autohit to death?
Ruling: Yes. The crux is this line in the PvP guide; "Even if there is an obvious reason that the attack would not hit, it must be stated in the rebuttal post." While Evandrus made a number of moves that could conceivably help him avoid or interfere with Jinlo's attack, he did not directly address what attack they were in response to or how it would help him against it- neither the distance he stepped back or how low his saber dropped, or how either was intended to avoid Jin's strike- without that information, the attack is free and clear and renders the rest of the dispute moot. We've had a number of rulings directly related to this point this TL, and they almost always end in character death.
2) Is Jinlo killed by the attacks she has been hit by within this post?
Ruling: Also yes. By the same token as above, not only does Jinlo not make a meaningful response to Kravos new Force attack after acknowledging it, she tries to use the brief moment between the attack and her head hitting the ground at high speed to perform a new attack against Andraste. Given the attacks in progress against her, the distance between her and her target, and the concentration it would require- that's not really plausible at all. Jinlo kills Evandrus, and is in turn killed by the combined efforts of Evandrus and Kravos before she can move on.
As an aside, I would like to remind everyone to keep both their IC and OOC posts short and concise, while still relaying the relevant detail, whenever possible. If it's not strictly necessary, it's really best not to include it at all.
As this ruling potentially involved multiple character deaths, I consulted with other un-involved RP admins who shall not be named- Admins like @Clayton. The ruling is not up for discussion, and may God have mercy on everyone's souls.
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1) Is Evandrus autohit to death?
Ruling: Yes. The crux is this line in the PvP guide; "Even if there is an obvious reason that the attack would not hit, it must be stated in the rebuttal post." While Evandrus made a number of moves that could conceivably help him avoid or interfere with Jinlo's attack, he did not directly address what attack they were in response to or how it would help him against it- neither the distance he stepped back or how low his saber dropped, or how either was intended to avoid Jin's strike- without that information, the attack is free and clear and renders the rest of the dispute moot. We've had a number of rulings directly related to this point this TL, and they almost always end in character death.
2) Is Jinlo killed by the attacks she has been hit by within this post?
Ruling: Also yes. By the same token as above, not only does Jinlo not make a meaningful response to Kravos new Force attack after acknowledging it, she tries to use the brief moment between the attack and her head hitting the ground at high speed to perform a new attack against Andraste. Given the attacks in progress against her, the distance between her and her target, and the concentration it would require- that's not really plausible at all. Jinlo kills Evandrus, and is in turn killed by the combined efforts of Evandrus and Kravos before she can move on.
As an aside, I would like to remind everyone to keep both their IC and OOC posts short and concise, while still relaying the relevant detail, whenever possible. If it's not strictly necessary, it's really best not to include it at all.
As this ruling potentially involved multiple character deaths, I consulted with other un-involved RP admins who shall not be named- Admins like @Clayton. The ruling is not up for discussion, and may God have mercy on everyone's souls.
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Aye, GG All was a fun one, just reading through the following posts, looks like things IC wise are gonna become increadibly interesting! Looking forward to see how it all pans out.
@Phoenix Just thinking on the different interpretations of positions, could it be a possible idea to perhaps encourage the use of a mapping system? Might help people keep track of movements / positions etc similar to what was used for the cold is the void ooc?
Might be overthinking / complicating things but it seemed to be useful for the fleet based use, where there was alot going on
@Phoenix Just thinking on the different interpretations of positions, could it be a possible idea to perhaps encourage the use of a mapping system? Might help people keep track of movements / positions etc similar to what was used for the cold is the void ooc?
Might be overthinking / complicating things but it seemed to be useful for the fleet based use, where there was alot going on