...You are a Role Play admin. You could have been more helpful then posting a picture of a cup of straws.
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I'm not sure as I have about 12 hundred retorts but I think I'll stick with do one as I don't need to get involved because Ols is.
...You are a Role Play admin. You could have been more helpful then posting a picture of a cup of straws.
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Your character acted stupidly. He didn't even question Storm when he asked him to stand inside a big ****ing red circle, that was OBVIOUSLY a trap. Seriously, your character cannot be paranoiac and bring a controller for self-defense when he does what everyone asks him to without suspecting betrayal.
They're still a presence, PC or NPC. I haven't seen CorSec do anything in the RP, but they still police and arrest people. I haven't seen builders do anything in the RP, yet buildings are still being erected. The RP only works if you accept that each NPC is still a character just as much as a PC. The difference is they ar not being controlled by a specific RPer.I haven't seen the church do anything but sit there on Xenvaer.
He's saying that cailst is clutching at straws. By posting a picture of straws and asking him to take a handful. I thought that was obvious....You are a Role Play admin. You could have been more helpful then posting a picture of a cup of straws.
Personally, even if Van Tien is killed now, I think you've made a major blunder in both the manner of his death and when it has taken place. You've alienated probably most of the civilians in Alsakan territory, you've alienated the church which arguably has more power over the people than the military and the only way you're going to control the government is if you march on Xenvaer with your fleets, which will also lose you approval and support. Add to the fact a theocratic government would not want to change to a military dictatorship in 30 seconds, and I can't even see the entire military supporting you.
You posted first, should have thought of dat first.I'm not sure as I have about 12 hundred retorts but I think I'll stick with do one as I don't need to get involved because Ols is.
They're still a presence, PC or NPC. I haven't seen CorSec do anything in the RP, but they still police and arrest people. I haven't seen builders do anything in the RP, yet buildings are still being erected. The RP only works if you accept that each NPC is still a character just as much as a PC. The difference is they ar not being controlled by a specific RPer.
He's saying that cailst is clutching at straws. By posting a picture of straws and asking him to take a handful. I thought that was obvious.
Personally, even if Van Tien is killed now, I think you've made a major blunder in both the manner of his death and when it has taken place. You've alienated probably most of the civilians in Alsakan territory, you've alienated the church which arguably has more power over the people than the military and the only way you're going to control the government is if you march on Xenvaer with your fleets, which will also lose you approval and support. Add to the fact a theocratic government would not want to change to a military dictatorship in 30 seconds, and I can't even see the entire military supporting you.
You posted first, should have thought of dat first.
One, he is the religious interim leader, regardless of what he does, he still needs to be there to appoint the next Vicar. On the other hand, Venator is a pirate, Dakar also has been out for a while.I love how people assume that Van Tien has unwavering support from the rest of the Aslakan.
Has he done anything that would even remotely make him popular? Has he even achieve anything as a leader? The answer is obviously no. The only thing he did was to send the entire Alsakan fleet on a suicide mission. The Alsakans are very religious. Van Tien obviously doesn't have divine favor. The Aslakans do not follow a leader, they follow Gods, if they are convinced that Van Tien is a fool, then he won't have any support.
And I'm sure the army is backing up the top Aslakans generals. Storm and Dakar fought alongside them when they attacked the Republic. They were captured along with their men. That should make them incredibly popular imo.
One, he is the religious interim leader, regardless of what he does, he still needs to be there to appoint the next Vicar. On the other hand, Venator is a pirate, Dakar also has been out for a while.
Also, Van Tien has done what he can to get some degree of friendship with other organizations so the disadvantage in military would be more minimized.
And, any attack would have been a suicide attack considering the defenses they put around worthless planets. Simply defending would have been a suicide as well. In hind sight, I would have stopped the war early on to undermine the Republic through other means.
He had support to get the job in the first place. He's like an archiepiscopal or even papal figure within Alsakan society. Also, civilians wouldn't know that much about the tactical blunders, and even if they did the propaganda would blame one or more of his generals, not him. The civilians and the parts of the army not involved in the specific attacks on Bessimir or Ruan probably wouldn't even know he gave the order. Especially as it would be classified information. He's also managed to broker a peace deal, even being temporary, that would help his public opinion. The fact this assassination will effectively end that treaty will make the generals fairly unpopular.I love how people assume that Van Tien has unwavering support from the rest of the Aslakan.
He got elected in the first place. He got them the treaty. And he is a religious man, they'd put importance on him over anyone in the army. Add to that the order would be classified, nobody would know it was his idea, they'd think it was one of his head generals, as he's a religious man.Has he done anything that would even remotely make him popular? Has he even achieve anything as a leader? The answer is obviously no. The only thing he did was to send the entire Alsakan fleet on a suicide mission. The Alsakans are very religious. Van Tien obviously doesn't have divine favor. The Aslakans do not follow a leader, they follow Gods, if they are convinced that Van Tien is a fool, then he won't have any support.
Storm's character is a known slaver and criminal. He's also a Lietenant Colonel and would have one Regiment in his command maximum, that's 1200 men, not much compared to a massive army that the Union has. Dakar is also an aging man, he's had some successes, but he's also vulnerable to the uncaring general stereotype. He's also just been involved in the murder of Van Tien, and was nowhere to be seen "fighting" when the Republic began winning at Coruscant or Metellos. Dakar is also 1 general of many, his own troops might be loyal to him. Might. Troops not in his control, unlikely.And I'm sure the army is backing up the top Aslakans generals. Storm and Dakar fought alongside them when they attacked the Republic. They were captured along with their men. That should make them incredibly popular imo.
I'm still talking about the name...not just of this thread...No he didn't. "Revelation" is the name of the RP Thread O.o
And if they fire at the people in the room, you will have no time to stop them before they kill your characters unless it picks them off one by one.
Because his attackers really suck at what they are doing.
We've seen loads of factions do absolutely nothing. The church happens to govern the Alsakan Union on a day to day basis, they have the loyalty of most of the army, and most of the civillians, huge majorities especially of the latter. You guys have walked yourself into a civil war that you are not going to win, unless you get Onderon on your side. And as Onderon made the agreement with Van Tien I doubt they'll help his murderers, so that's another enemy you've just made. If it needed to happen you should have made Van Tien hated before you killed him. He wasn't hated, you've just made him the Jintu's martyr.Considering we've seen the church do absolutely nothing, I'm sure we will take the chances. It's better too then just do nothing and let the Alsakans slowly die or be captured. I don't really care if alot of people rally cause of this, Ols, this needed to happen one way or another.
Thanks for arguing for me.
The Church shouldn't give a damn about you. Why would anyone care about an incompetent temporary leader?
You're the one that did all the damage to the military in the first place. The Aslakans were winning before that.
How so? The Union had an incredible advantage. They had Coruscant. Going on the offensive again was dumb on Vian's part.
He had support to get the job in the first place. He's like an archiepiscopal or even papal figure within Alsakan society. Also, civilians wouldn't know that much about the tactical blunders, and even if they did the propaganda would blame one or more of his generals, not him. The civilians and the parts of the army not involved in the specific attacks on Bessimir or Ruan probably wouldn't even know he gave the order. Especially as it would be classified information. He's also managed to broker a peace deal, even being temporary, that would help his public opinion. The fact this assassination will effectively end that treaty will make the generals fairly unpopular.
He got elected in the first place. He got them the treaty. And he is a religious man, they'd put importance on him over anyone in the army. Add to that the order would be classified, nobody would know it was his idea, they'd think it was one of his head generals, as he's a religious man.
Storm's character is a known slaver and criminal. He's also a Lietenant Colonel and would have one Regiment in his command maximum, that's 1200 men, not much compared to a massive army that the Union has. Dakar is also an aging man, he's had some successes, but he's also vulnerable to the uncaring general stereotype. He's also just been involved in the murder of Van Tien, and was nowhere to be seen "fighting" when the Republic began winning at Coruscant or Metellos. Dakar is also 1 general of many, his own troops might be loyal to him. Might. Troops not in his control, unlikely.
We've seen loads of factions do absolutely nothing. The church happens to govern the Alsakan Union on a day to day basis, they have the loyalty of most of the army, and most of the civillians, huge majorities especially of the latter. You guys have walked yourself into a civil war that you are not going to win, unless you get Onderon on your side. And as Onderon made the agreement with Van Tien I doubt they'll help his murderers, so that's another enemy you've just made. If it needed to happen you should have made Van Tien hated before you killed him. He wasn't hated, you've just made him the Jintu's martyr.
Do you honestly think more people on this site are loyal to Van Tien then then to the true cause of The Alsakan Union?
And do you really think he wasen't hated?
I think you need to read the RP's a little more first.