[Interest Check] Imperial Outcasts

[Interfector]

It's treason then.....​

Hello! Just doing a quick interest check for anyone interested in potentially Rp'ing members of a Paramilitary Imperial Organization? Made up of Soldiers and Sailors of the IAF and potentially Imperial Knights who want the Empress and Sith gone from the Imperium.

Essentially, Imperial soldiers and sailors who find themselves no longer able to justify the Empress's campaigns of genocide and destruction, loathe her and the Sith but are still loyal to the Imperium. Any takers?

 

[Bee]

So, the Coterie?

 

[RumblingDom 1]

Read through the Corterie, while they do have similar goals I don't know if they'd be able to just merge with how they're more military background rather then that of people of influence. I'd be glad to join but more than likely if this came to the attention of the Corterie they could probably try and just absorb them or turn them into an asset? One way is very, intrigue esq this is more militantsl I suppose? Like I said I'm game but I'm still reading over everything Corterie maybe could just scoop them up but I don't see how they're basically the same thing.

 

[Bee]

Coterie is kind of being absorbed into the Imperial Knights/True Throne aspect of the Rebellion anyway. Would be interesting if these "Imperial outcasts" were a part of it and then moved over to the Rebels over a small story arc.

 

[RumblingDom 1]

Yeah, sorry if I came off a bit stand off like >.< Reading over my post I sounded a bit aggressive. A lot of separatists groups just popping off in different intervals to eventually form something in a much larger scale sounds very interesting too almost like the clans of mandalorians coming together it sounds very interesting.

 

[Bee]

I didn't think you were being standoffish at all! Don't worry about it.

 

[Aleksandr]

Perhaps we could create a group like the Free Officers Movement of Egypt, a group of not really influential and mainly junior members of the military that conspired to commit a coup d'etat. \

They would want to carry it out it as quickly and bloodlessly as possible to continue the war against the Rebellion, being Imperial nationalists, and would not work with the Coterie since it is a more shadowy organization that doesn't seem to have any military members among its ranks. The "Free Officers Movement" would consist of military personnel from the IAF that are anti-Andraste, but not pro-Rebel, and ones that are not necessarily in positions of influence like members of the Coterie are.

That's just my two cents. My Imperial Navy character would fit right in with a group like that.

 

[Interfector]

Dom & Alex said it pretty well. The Imperial Outcasts's theme, is that they are pissed off proud Anti-Andraste, Anti-Sith Soldiers & Sailors of the IAF who feel manipulated into committing horrible atrocities by the Empress and the Sith. It's an attitude that's present among some of the Stormtrooper player characters at the moment, they want the Imperium to reform and remain a great and prosperous empire, with the cornerstones being Security, Stability and Prosperity. But without the unsoldierly and unnecessarily cruel rule of the Sith.

They're supposed to be an organized paramilitary, who unlike the greater Rebellion, possess training, technical expertise and technology that enables them to go toe to toe with the IAF's best soldiers. The name "Outcast" comes from the fact they've willingly got up and walked out on the Sith Imperium and wear their badge of "Traitor" With pride, because no one of an honorable, soldierly disposition or sound ethics could continue to support the Sith and their unbridled cruelty.

As for their official policy towards the likes of the Coterie? Isn't it fairly secretive? Few if any of the Outcasts would know about their organization, if the Coterie are Sith, in the Outcast's eyes they are manipulative, evil bastards. The only force sensitive Organizations the Outcasts will consider co-operating happily with is the Imperial Knights, and maybe the Jedi. As for the Rebellion, well. The Outcasts will probably end up joining them, but only to see the Sith and Andraste bite the dust and then move to reform the Imperium and put an Imperial on the throne.

Be nice if the Outcasts could be introduced via a small story arc involving some mutiny on a considerable scale.

 

[Bee]

So here's the thing: anyone who is openly proud to be a traitor against the Imperium is in for a bad time. They'll probably get killed and/or thrown into prison, if not tortured for information regarding their companions before death/imprisonment. Being traitors/revolutionaries/outcasts/whatever you want to call them requires a degree of subtlety because the Empire is being run by people who can read minds and kill people with their brains. No one is arguing that the Empress is crazy and a terrible leader, because she is - I'd argue that's the point of her character, honestly - but running around all "FK THE POLICE" is a really bad strategy no matter how many guns you have.

The Coterie was/is selective because I wanted people who were playing true dissidents - not folks who were ambivalent on the Empress, but people who honest to goodness wanted her head on a plate. Yes, its totally secret, but it was being led by the Imperial Spymaster who would reasonably have some intelligence re: people who could be potential threats to the government. Sort of like the NSA, but far more broad/invasive. Many of the non-Sith members were recruited under the guise of, "I've been watching you, you're not alone, you have allies." Which could conceivably work for your group, too.

Not to mention the ex-Spymaster also runs a PMG for the Hutt Cartel, and would have not only the means but the experience to keep a group like what you're suggesting afloat.

I think I'm trying to help you, but its late and I'm actually not entirely sure what I'm getting at here.

 

[Interfector]

Soldiers are soldiers, they have the training and experience to operate an efficient Paramilitary Organization, most of the old Outlaw Motorcycle Companies you see in the world, were founded by disgruntled war veterans, morale is low. There is a real feeling of irresolution and doubt among the Stormtroopers, if experienced soldiers trained and conditioned to be ideologically loyal are having those thoughts, something is seriously wrong. All it would take at this point, is some ornery swabbie to fire a shot and scream "The Empress is nuts" With real faith in that statement and people will be shooting in support of that thesis or the antithesis. Soldiers have a real sense of Comradeship, in a massive army like the IAF, it's easy to slip away and a poor choice to piss off your subordinates no matter how powerful you are.

The Imperium as it stands from where I'm looking, is waging a covert Civil War. All it takes is for someone to fire off a round to start that fire in earnest. Soldiers are closer to one-another than faceless bigwigs who have similar goals. As it stands, the IAF is hardly homogeneous in their willingness to continue fighting for the Sith Imperium and Andraste. Fact is, these guys aren't rebel scum, sedition and open revolt from soldiers will send a powerful message to everyone and might nudge the story gently.

 

[Bee]

Yeah, I get it. Military bros are military bros. Your ideas seem really inconsistent, because in one post its OUTLAW COUNTRY! and in another its .. the exact opposite? If you don't want someone to finance your group that's your choice, I was just trying to help you guys out.

The civil war thing has kinda come and gone, but maybe @Dmitri can figure out something for you guys to do.

 

[TheSilentWind]

They're supposed to be an organized paramilitary, who unlike the greater Rebellion, possess training, technical expertise and technology that enables them to go toe to toe with the IAF's best soldiers. The name "Outcast" comes from the fact they've willingly got up and walked out on the Sith Imperium and wear their badge of "Traitor" With pride, because no one of an honorable, soldierly disposition or sound ethics could continue to support the Sith and their unbridled cruelty.

Just wondering if you are suggesting that your group would have greater training, tech expertise, etc than the Rebellion.

 

[Interfector]

Okay, let's clarify a couple points, since there seems to be some confusion amid my attempts to explain the faction better.

• The Outcasts will not be made up of individuals within the Sith Imperium, unlike the Coterie.
• The Imperial Outcasts are a Paramilitary Organization that operates outside of the Sith Imperium's jurisdiction so while their members are no longer serving members of the IAF, their Organization's structure is a mirror image of the IAF, just on a much smaller scale naturally.
• The Imperial Outcasts themselves are exclusively former members of the IAF who largely deserted, were seditious or mutinied against the Sith Imperium.
• As an Outcast, your objective is to kill Empress Andraste and remove the Sith from leadership, then help reform the Imperium.
• The Outcasts are nowhere near as large or influential as the Rebellion and to suggest otherwise is silly, but they possess technical knowledge, equipment, expertise and training that is not common within the Rebellion, that should be a given when you consider the organization's roots in the IAF.

 

[Bee]

Okay, let's clarify a couple points, since there seems to be some confusion amid my attempts to explain the faction better.

• The Outcasts will not be made up of individuals within the Sith Imperium, unlike the Coterie.

This is incorrect. Coterie has people who are unaffiliated as well.

• The Imperial Outcasts are a Paramilitary Organization that operates outside of the Sith Imperium's jurisdiction so while their members are no longer serving members of the IAF, their Organization's structure is a mirror image of the IAF, just on a much smaller scale naturally.
• The Imperial Outcasts themselves are exclusively former members of the IAF who largely deserted, were seditious or mutinied against the Sith Imperium.
• As an Outcast, your objective is to kill Empress Andraste and remove the Sith from leadership, then help reform the Imperium.
• The Outcasts are nowhere near as large or influential as the Rebellion and to suggest otherwise is silly, but they possess technical knowledge, equipment, expertise and training that is not common within the Rebellion, that should be a given when you consider the organization's roots in the IAF.

Just sounds like non-FS Imperial Knights. Good luck, though. Sith smell funny, so let's kill 'em all.

 

[Interfector]

Oh? I thought the Coterie were all Sith and their crownies? Well, my bad for making that assumption. I'm in the process of writing up a post so people have a better idea of what they're all about, hopefully it'll be posted up soon.

 

[TheSilentWind]

Oh? I thought the Coterie were all Sith and their crownies? Well, my bad for making that assumption.

Its not our fault you didn't check and actually read up on what the Coterie is about. The Coterie has people that do care about the Imperium, and its well being. Most of the people that joined the Coterie did it out of the loyalty of the Imperium..

FYI, the Sith certainly have done terrible things, but they also do comprise of individuals that do care about the IAF, and the Imperium as a whole. A lot of the Sith do not support the use of the IAF simply as a tool to get things done. They actually care about the IAF.

 

[Interfector]

Cut the salt out. It was a conclusion drawn from the way in which it was described in the Imperium sub-forum, that Coterie membership being made up of High-ranking sith and their supporters and never once did I make an assertion that the members of the Coterie did not care about the Imperium, don't put words in my mouth. but imagine how it would sound to someone ICly, an exclusive organization filled with Sith who claim to love the Imperium?

From the PoV of Imperial Soldiers, Sith in government and the Sith Order have ordered truly horrifying and reprehensible atrocities, the Empress who engages in genocide and ethnic cleansing is Sith, their government's highest positions are reserved for Sith. Acts of nobility do not occlude these facts and going to spawn resentment, which has been witnessed ICly. Now, if a Sith say leaves the Sith Order and Imperium, joins the Rebellion. The Outcasts wouldn't attack them, it's not supposed to be some kind of genocidal campaign, lel that'd be something Andraste would do >:). Will probably still be healthy resentment and suspicion there though because Force User and recent history.

 

[TheSilentWind]

Cut the salt out. It was a conclusion drawn from the way in which it was described in the Imperium sub-forum, that Coterie membership being made up of High-ranking sith and their supporters and never once did I make an assertion that the members of the Coterie did not care about the Imperium, don't put words in my mouth. but imagine how it would sound to someone ICly, an exclusive organization filled with Sith who claim to love the Imperium?

From the PoV of Imperial Soldiers, Sith in government and the Sith Order have ordered truly horrifying and reprehensible atrocities, the Empress who engages in genocide and ethnic cleansing is Sith, their government's highest positions are reserved for Sith. Acts of nobility do not occlude these facts and going to spawn resentment, which has been witnessed ICly. Now, if a Sith say leaves the Sith Order and Imperium, joins the Rebellion. The Outcasts wouldn't attack them, it's not supposed to be some kind of genocidal campaign, lel that'd be something Andraste would do >:). Will probably still be healthy resentment and suspicion there though because Force User and recent history.

Your stating that I should stop being hostile when I wasn't, I was stating a fact. You assumed something, you didn't actually go and read what the Coterie was about. Not my fault if you didn't. Someone can right about a group being powerful, and give a brief description of it, but someone else wouldn't just read up that, and take the word for it. They would actually investigate. Characters in this site have been written and they usually have vague descriptions of how they acquired that power, but there have been members in the site that have questioned such things. Your conclusion was wrong, and you have yourself to blame for such a thing.

You state that that I am being hostile towards you, when you were being directly hostile towards Coteire members in this post so I think you should be looking at your actions before stating such things.

FYI, the description is wrong imho. The Coteire is lead by a former high ranking Sith who is influential in many areas, and it also has at least three individuals that I would consider to be influential, and at least two of those individuals do this because they care about the Imperium, and they do not want the galaxy to suffer from Andraste's wrath. In addition to that, multiple former Dark Council members also do not agree with what Andraste has done at all.

Also, I just want to make it clear, I never stated nor did I imply that good acts did not outweigh what the Sith led by Andraste has done. Nevertheless, one can arguably state that while the IAF did play an important factor, it was because of the Sith that the Empire became the galactic power. Furthermore, to my knowledge all of this was done under the leadership of Andraste.

Again, you make an assumption about the Coteire. The Coteire is not filled with only with Sith. There are people from multiple factions and sub-factions, both within the Imperium, and outside of it. Go read the writeup if you want better information. Stop making assumptions that are easily refuted by actually checking up on the information about the Coterie.

If you want to look at things from an IC perspective, some of the people who are in the Coterie have done things that have contributed significantly to the Imperium becoming more powerful, and they have helped the Imperium preserve its strength.They have also combated the Imperium's enemies such as the Jedi. In addition to that, the group that you are making seems to me that they want to help the Imperium by fighting Andraste.

And yes, the Sith do occupy the top positions in the Imperium however the Warmaster(who is the top official of the IAF safe for the Dark Lord and Empress) can be occupied by a non force sensitive and I believe the last Warmaster was an Imperial, not a Sith. Furthermore, the Dark Lord has been Icly instituting reforms that have been giving power back to the IAF.

 

[Interfector]

You state that that I am being hostile towards you, when you were being directly hostile towards Coteire members in this post so I think you should be looking at your actions before stating such things.

So uh, Sith aren't renowned for having henchmen and manipulating people within the story of star wars, then? That was poking fun at the stereotypical scheming "Just as planned" Sith archtype, not an OOC one towards players, apologies for the misunderstanding. You're trying to look at this whole thing from an objective OOC point of view, ICly sure. Most members of the Coterie might be cool doods ICly, but it's existence and membership is highly secretive. This topic is about the "Imperial Outcasts" not the Coterie, excuse me while I try to steer us back on topic?

The Imperial Outcasts are most certainly out to end Andraste, but their animosity for her leadership extends to the upper echelons of the Imperium's Sith-controlled government, which as appeared to be ineffective at curtailing or subduing the insanity. This where the Coterie and Outcasts might clash in future story, The Outcasts are Imperial Nationalists and want to see this exclusive monopoly of power the Sith Order have on the highest Echelons of power to end with some reforms.

The Outcasts are loyal to the Imperium and her citizens, they want to see them liberated from the evil clutches of Andraste and her loyalists. I'm going to try and get a post up soon hopefully, just a whole lot of writing.

 

[TheSilentWind]

So uh, Sith aren't renowned for having henchmen and manipulating people within the story of star wars, then? That was poking fun at the stereotypical scheming "Just as planned" Sith archtype, not an OOC one towards players, apologies for the misunderstanding. You're trying to look at this whole thing from an objective OOC point of view, ICly sure. Most members of the Coterie might be cool doods ICly, but it's existence and membership is highly secretive. This topic is about the "Imperial Outcasts" not the Coterie, excuse me while I try to steer us back on topic?

The Imperial Outcasts are most certainly out to end Andraste, but their animosity for her leadership extends to the upper echelons of the Imperium's Sith-controlled government, which as appeared to be ineffective at curtailing or subduing the insanity. This where the Coterie and Outcasts might clash in future story, The Outcasts are Imperial Nationalists and want to see this exclusive monopoly of power the Sith Order have on the highest Echelons of power to end with some reforms.

The Outcasts are loyal to the Imperium and her citizens, they want to see them liberated from the evil clutches of Andraste and her loyalists. I'm going to try and get a post up soon hopefully, just a whole lot of writing.

If you actually read my post I did state that the Sith did do terrible things which you honestly didn't seem to read, you would actually see that I stated the good things the Sith as a whole have done do not outweigh the bad things the Sith did. Also, honestly, the existence of the Coterie isn't that secretive. Sure, the public and most of the Sith are not aware of who the members of the Coterie are. Nevertheless, Bee's character who was one of the most influential Sith in the Order and an influential figure in the Imperium but she stated publicly that she had left the Imperium as a whole. It would not be idiotic to state or assume that someone with her position had allies, or people working with her.

Also, I am looking at this from an IC point of view, and and OOC point of view. What I stated was entirely logical,. You are the one that is looking at it from an OOC point of view, considering the fact that you think the Coterie is filled with only Sith in terms of an IC perspective(and you also assumed that in an OOC perspective). I mean if you look at it ICly, that would a dumb strategy, since the Sith can only do so much.

Anyway, I honestly don't mean to hijack your thread but considering the fact that you did insult, and you also did have wrong ideas about the Coteire, you should have known that your comments would spark a response. If I were to go and make an OOC thread about dueling someone, yet I made a comment that the Sith were all powerful and could not be beaten, then I would know that a comment like that would spark a response from someday.

Just wanted to also address the fact that their are characters of the Coteire including my character that believe that the Sith should not be fit to lead, and the power should be handed back to the IAF .

I honestly don't hate the idea of what you are creating. I think the idea is pretty cool even if their are some aspects that are similar to the Coteire. Nevertheless, you did made comments and assumptions about the Coteire, and a member of the group, I do feel obligated to address them.