****ing Islamists.

[Sovereign]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/africa/10602791.stm

Killed 74 Ugandans who were watching the World Cup. ****ing iditos.

 

[Kaeb]

For **** sake.

 

[Hassan]

Yeah, and they claim theyre doing gods will...

since when does gods will mean kill innocent civilians :S

****ing idiots :/

 

[Andreus Makaryk]

Yeah, and they claim theyre doing gods will...

since when does gods will mean kill innocent civilians :S

****ing idiots :/

Actually, if you read the Old Testament, there's a bit of ripping up "woman with child" in there.

The thing that sucks about religion is that it's cherry-picked so much. It can inspire some of the greatest good that man has ever done (abolition, civil rights in the US, Gandhi, etc.), but can just as easily be used as a force for repression and destruction (the Crusades, present state of the Middle East in general).

I'm a Christian, but I'm well aware that humanity's natural inclination to see what it wants to see and hear what it wants to hear turns religion into a double-edged sword.

 

[Viggy]

That's a pretty high number of victims... Just awful. I don't know what exactly this group is trying to achieve, but I doubt this will really help them reach their goal.

 

[Sovereign]

That's a pretty high number of victims... Just awful. I don't know what exactly this group is trying to achieve, but I doubt this will really help them reach their goal.

Read the article.

 

[Viggy]

Read the article.

I did. I still don't know exactly what they're trying to achieve, though. All the article told me was that they want some troops from an organization I've never heard of to leave Somalia.

 

[Sovereign]

I did. I still don't know exactly what they're trying to achieve, though. All the article told me was that they want some troops from an organization I've never heard of to leave Somalia.

They want to establish an islamic state in Somalia.

 

[Mike]

Blame the individuals, not the religion.

 

[Sovereign]

Blame the individuals, not the religion.

Why can't I blame the religion?

This is like saying I can't blame Nazism for WW2.

 

[Viggy]

They want to establish an islamic state in Somalia.

Ah. I suppose I should have guessed. *rolls eyes*

 

[Azium]

Why can't I blame the religion?

This is like saying I can't blame Nazism for WW2.

Nazism didn't start WW2, disagreement did.
That's all wars are is aggressive disagreements.
Its the rich that wage war and the poor that die.
It all trickles back up to debates while drinking tea.

 

[Mike]

Why can't I blame the religion?

This is like saying I can't blame Nazism for WW2.

No, it's like saying you can't blame Jesus for the KKK

 

[Allu'rah Danan]

Or just as bad, the witch trials. A lot of Christians killed a lot of people because of 'witchcraft'.

 

[Sovereign]

Nazism didn't start WW2, disagreement did.
That's all wars are is aggressive disagreements.
Its the rich that wage war and the poor that die.
It all trickles back up to debates while drinking tea.

Nazism is the most belligerent ideology on earth. It's obviously responsible for the war.

Of course there were "disagreements", but these "disagreements" were over everything that mattered. With Nazism, war was inevitable.

No, it's like saying you can't blame Jesus for the KKK

Al Shabaab wants to create a state based on the teachings of the Koran. Everything it wants to do is in the Koran.

Why can't I blame the Koran? Is it because its a religious book that it should be above criticism?

 

[Mike]

Nazism is the most belligerent ideology on earth. It's obviously responsible for the war.

Al Shabaab wants to create a state based on the teachings of the Koran. Everything it wants to do is in the Koran.

Why can't I blame the Koran? Is it because its a religious book that it should be above criticism?

Nazism is based on the explicit belief that the world needed to be tyrannically dominated by the people of a single country. Islam does not share that belief.

The Koran can be interpreted in many ways, as can any religious, or historical text. Al Shabaab is not a prophet, he's a human who's gone to extreme measures to try to return his homeland, a historically muslim nation, to the way it was before the western world stuck their collective nose in and screwed it to hell.

You insult me by suggesting that my argument is based on the Koran being "too holy" for criticism.

 

[Allu'rah Danan]

The polygamist sect in the US that violates the rights of women and children justifies its actions with the Bible. The Jonestown Massacre were people following a Christian leader (albeit, a misguided one). I am Christian myself, so don't think I'm hating on anyone. But anybody can justify whatever the heck they want with religion.

 

[Azium]

Nazism is the most belligerent ideology on earth. It's obviously responsible for the war. Of course there were "disagreements", but these "disagreements" were over everything that mattered. With Nazism, war was inevitable.

Its not belligerent, just not ideal to your tastes.

No one's right in a war, because even what is considered good and bad is manipulated to conform the paradigm of that person. Did it matter that a few thousand people followed Nazism? Not until they started to actually do something. Would the same thing happen if a bunch of Buddhists started protesting pharmaceutical uses of plants? Probably not until they started burning laboratories down. Then that would probably start a war.

You can see Nazism as belligerence.
But then I can see Buddhists as a bunch of lazy ****s who waste their time praying.

Its all perspective.

 

[Sovereign]

Nazism is based on the explicit belief that the world needed to be tyrannically dominated by the people of a single country. Islam does not share that belief.

You're right. It only wants to convert everyone else to Islam. Big diference.

The Koran can be interpreted in many ways, as can any religious, or historical text. Al Shabaab is not a prophet, he's a human who's gone to extreme measures to try to return his homeland, a historically muslim nation, to the way it was before the western world stuck their collective nose in and screwed it to hell.

Are you actually trying to defend Al Shabaab here? Or justify its actions?

Its not belligerent, just not ideal to your tastes.

No one's right in a war, because even what is considered good and bad is manipulated to conform the paradigm of that person. Did it matter that a few thousand people followed Nazism? Not until they started to actually do something. Would the same thing happen if a bunch of Buddhists started protesting pharmaceutical uses of plants? Probably not until they started burning laboratories down. Then that would probably start a war.

You can see Nazism as belligerence.
But then I can see Buddhists as a bunch of lazy ****s who waste their time praying.

Its all perspective..

Any Nazi would openly admit that his ideology is belligerent. Hitler never pretended to seek peace nor did Mussolini. I'm just stating facts here.

And I'd agree with your statement on Buddhists.

 

[Mike]

You're right. It only wants to convert everyone else to Islam. Big diference.

Are you actually trying to defend Al Shabaab here? Or justify its actions?

It's a massive difference actually. After all, one of the essential qualities of every ideology on earth, including Islam, is to propagate itself to as many people as possible. That is not evil.

And I'm providing the context for Al Shabaab's actions that the article, and discussion so far, has sorely lacked, while at the same time reminding you that he's a human being that does not speak for Allah, whatever he may think. This brings me back to my opening statement. Blame the individual, not the religion.