Imperial Knights - Prisoner Transfer, Rescue Attempt

[Zach]

I don't really understand how half of my points are irrelevant, since they only reinforce the sense that the Chiss have treated the IK fairly as enemies, instead of just outright butchering you, like we were accused of planning to do in the beginning. I just want to make sure that people aren't misinterpreting how the IK PoWs are being treated. Furthermore, regardless of an suspicion to my motives in staging this event, you can believe what you want to believe. I told you, this was simply an announcement to let people know ahead of time that this is happening. Whether this is the first anyone has heard about this or not, I'm telling the public now - this is happening eventually. I haven't put a timetable or deadline on anything, I've only let people know that this is the current event that's being discussed, not that it's been decided on.

I have yet to talk with Bad Wolf about whether he'll be in the thread, but any members interested are free to PM me about it. I want to try and aim to make the number of players even, although obviously some IK are going to outnumber the Chiss. Prisoners, rescue strike team members, and independents will be allowed to join for the IK side, I guess.

 

[BLADE]

I don't really understand how half of my points are irrelevant, since they only reinforce the sense that the Chiss have treated the IK fairly as enemies, instead of just outright butchering you, like we were accused of planning to do in the beginning.

With respect, you seem to be misunderstanding your own argument which incidentally has one point, and which is in fact irrelevant. If I may, your argument is that we can ascertain the OOC dispositions of the Chiss by their fairness with regards to the prisoners. My point is that this is pretty irrelevant as it in no way addresses the IC risks I've mentioned; as honorable and whatever else the Chiss may be to their captives, one has to assume that they are playing the war for keeps. My default assumption is that everyone operates above-board OOCly, and I have discouraged any thinking otherwise in my members. However, this RP also has a competitive element, and every assumption of OOC honesty also presumes maximal IC competitiveness. In other words, the Chiss must have some contingencies planned which probably far outstrip any sort of resources the IK could plausibly bring to bear to this operation in a manner that would give them some sort of return on the expenditure.

Insofar as this matters OOCly, I've already noted that I don't encourage paranoid revanchism or grudge-holding. This is a RP, not the War of the Roses, for goodness sakes.

I just want to make sure that people aren't misinterpreting how the IK PoWs are being treated.

Again, you are dragging irrelevancies into this thread. Pray tell, when did anyone question whether the Chiss had violated the Galactic Geneva Articles or what have you with regards to the prisoners? And what does this have to do with whether it is a good IC idea for the IK to undertake this mission?

Furthermore, regardless of an suspicion to my motives in staging this event, you can believe what you want to believe.

I'm not sure why you're getting so defensive, dude. Chill out. I have not, and do not, as a matter of policy and temperament, accuse anyone of OOC gamesmanship. In fact, just the opposite. I assume people are above board OOCly. The problem here is that no matter how sincere the desire may be OOCly, to give the IK a break, ICly, factions must fight as hard as possible. This is in fact, OOCly fair as well, as we don't want factions to show favoritism to certain factions based on OOC considerations.

As I've noted, ICly, even the most optimal outcome for the IK would find the Chiss and Empire being informed that a significant IK presence still exists. Strategically, this would outweigh the benefit gained from freeing the prisoners at this point (who could always collect more intelligence and make themselves ICly useful to their faction in any other number of ways.)

That is where your argument founders.

I told you, this was simply an announcement to let people know ahead of time that this is happening. Whether this is the first anyone has heard about this or not, I'm telling the public now - this is happening eventually. I haven't put a timetable or deadline on anything, I've only let people know that this is the current event that's being discussed, not that it's been decided on.

That is your prerogative. My point remains; better communication results in better outcomes. With better communication, we might have scheduled a later event that made all sides happy.

I have yet to talk with Bad Wolf about whether he'll be in the thread, but any members interested are free to PM me about it. I want to try and aim to make the number of players even, although obviously some IK are going to outnumber the Chiss. Prisoners, rescue strike team members, and independents will be allowed to join for the IK side, I guess.

IK will be limited to one retinue for this ICly. Knight-Errants et. al are allowed to join as are indies. Again, I will stress that my personal recommendation is that all IK remain far away from this. Our strategic imperatives for now are to rebuild and consolidate and to begin striking out at the Sith in haphazard ways that do not inform them of our continued existence ICly. Sreeya and others have made similar points, but repetition is a useful rhetorical tool.

 

[Zach]

Spoke with Pros on MSN, for those that were worried we were sniping at each other :D

He has a lot of good points, and it is fully in his right to discourage IK involvement. I find it more reasonable though, since he's not forcing that down anyone's throat. So, reasons to take part or not, I'll soon release the date that I'll start the Prisoner Transfer thread. IK captives are still more than welcome to post. If anything, an idle conversation between the IK representatives (aka, the PCs) and Chiss officers to pass the time of the journey. Any Chiss or IK who are interested in joining this thread, please shoot me a PM or VM so I can log it please :D

If it turns out some Imperial Knights will be joining us outside the barges, well... We'll see you mavericks there :D


Added Details:

As far as ships are concerned for the attending Chiss fleet, will consist of eight ships, aside from the transport barges. Six Phalanx-Class Frigates, since they focus on a defensive priority, will be escorted by a pair of Legacy-Class Assault Cruisers, instead of a capital ship. There will be a dozen prison barges, three of which will be filled with IK captives. The rest are auto-piloted by droids, ship AI, whatever. It's autopilot per the programming for the mission.

 

[Natise]

Could I get like a quick summary of what is going to be happening? I'm on a phone and do not want to scroll through several pages of tiny blinding white text.

 

[Orphen]

Chiss offering a chance to get IK prisoners
Prison ships are making jumps to X (2) strikable locations
there are some defenses, but no massive capitol ships.
Pros thinks anyone who attacks is gonna die. (ITS A TRAP!)

BW is thinking of gunning for it with his group.

Need any more?

 

[Natise]

That should do it, who is this BW you speak of though?

 

[Shiuzu]

The Bad Wolf formally known as Jenna Wolf

 

[Natise]

Ah ok, I have faith in the pirates!

 

[Zach]

Ok, here's an official announcement-statement thing on what I'm planning to do for this.

I want to start this event with a thread for the IK prisoners. This can be the transfer from the Yashuvhu prisons to the transport barges and continued as a discussion between the prisoners and Chiss (especially given that several of the IK captives have done discussion threads since Seoul V). This thread will take place solely on the three transport barges that the IK are held in. The thought occurred to me to make three threads, one for each barge, but I didn't know if you guys would like that better. You guys can choose which barges you're on, if you want.

The next thread (2nd, or 4th depending on what you like) would be for the for overall transport fleet in space. This will be the thread where the hyperspace jumps and potential ambush are to take place.

I will be in both of the threads.

 

[Zach]

Announcement​

Sorry for the lengthy break between this thread and a start date, but things are getting in gear. The transfer of the captive Imperial Knights will be done on Friday, May 11th. I wanted it to be a weekend thread so everyone has a chance to be active, but I'm unable to do it this Friday. So, you guys have a week and a half to finish any preparation or social threads going on between members. I don't really see the harm in leaving threads unfinished after that point, but if anybody wants anything to count towards the Transfer/Rescue, have it done before Friday, 11th.

 

[Natise]

I'll be ready

 

[Zach]

Thread will be started today. Slept through yesterday after work. O my lunch break now, just wanted to keep you guys in the loop. I'll edit this post to include the link to the thread in about four (4) hours.

 

[Natise]

Did this thread ever start?

 

[Mr. Teatime]

It did, but the knights were unable to post apparently. So, I'm guessing the prisoners were transferred successfully.

 

[Natise]

So they are free?

 

[Mr. Teatime]

Uh.. No. The prisoners were transferred successfully is what I said. Meaning, the prisoners were not freed, since the imperial knights made absolutely no effort to do so as far as I'm aware. They were transferred to a Chiss prison I believe. I would ask Zach, though.

 

[Natise]

Ahh I understand I thought you meant transferred to the Knights.