For the Empire OOC

[Vosrik]

Edits made! Let me know if it is sufficient and we may continue onward. @Faded Truth @Gian Greydragon @Axym

 

[Vosrik]

Okay, I think it's time for a new picture. So first of all, here's an image for everyone's positions at the end of round 3 (ending with Mithias' post). Markus fell to the ground but he's generally in the same spot he was before, as is Devrim. H5 moved to where he is now in his "westward approach", so now he's more in line with Devrim but still around 10 meters from him. Sythe is 20 meters from Devrim on his right, and Qsan is a few (let's say 3-5) meters east of the outpost in some tall grass.

 

[Vosrik]

@Gian Greydragon, at exactly what distance from Devrim does Qsan shoot the speeder's blaster? Also, what speed is he moving at, seeing as you've written both 111 and 180 miles per hour.

 

[Axym]

he's so fast he's doing both speeds at once :)

 

[Gian Greydragon]

One was actually meant to be in MpH while the other is KpH. I'll edit to clarify. My bad. @Vosrik

 

[Gian Greydragon]

Should be good now. @Vosrik

 

[Axym]

@One For Sorrow is asking if he can join the thread?

 

[Vosrik]

@One For Sorrow is asking if he can join the thread?

I don’t see why he should be able to. This was already a 2v3, and we’re nearing the end of the fight. Sorry, but that’s a no from the GA side.

 

[Axym]

Ok thanks

 

[Vosrik]

@Faded Truth I have more to say about your post, but seeing as Markus’ grenade interrupted H5 the previous turn, those last two Lullaby shots weren’t actually fired — he isn’t out of ammo.

 

[Faded]

@Faded Truth I have more to say about your post, but seeing as Markus’ grenade interrupted H5 the previous turn, those last two Lullaby shots weren’t actually fired — he isn’t out of ammo.

I know, I saw that myself and edited. LOL

 

[Vosrik]

Alrighty, well I’m sure it’s no surprise but Mithias and I have a few problems with your post as it is now.

First of all, we have the timing surrounding the grenade toss. As we see in H5’s previous post (#19), he was already near a tree and aiming at Markus, intending on shooting. That was interrupted of course by the grenade toss itself, but H5 actually has the advantage here — he’s already aiming. Markus basically would be pulling his pistol out of its holster while H5 begins moving right. If anything, they would both be shooting their first shots at the same time. With all that being said, H5’s two shots would fire at the same time (if not slightly before) Markus’ first two shots.

Now, since he’s using his right arm to shoot, Markus is basically going to have to use his right leg to, well, roll himself over in time to avoid both Lullaby shots. At the current distance of 10-15 meters...imo, Markus is going to have to forego shooting his pistol to accomplish this without being shot. There simply isn’t enough time, for him to shoot four times with any remote accuracy while trying to roll over at the same time. Basically, he’s trying to do too much at once.

 

[Faded]

I disagree, the grenade was timed as the Droid pressed his attack and was set to explode prior to his arrival of cover. So these movements that H5PAD makes occur prior to his ability to aim. In fact it would be H5PAD that is doing too much as he is redirecting a leftward approach into rightward just as a grenade is thrown and also attempting to re calibrate his aim on a heavy pistol with poor recoil and accuracy.

You can’t interrupt an interrupt. The shared time occurs as The droid is moving to his westward angle for the first cover to shoot at Markus.

 

[Vosrik]

I disagree, the grenade was timed as the Droid pressed his attack and was set to explode prior to his arrival of cover. So these movements that H5PAD makes occur prior to his ability to aim. In fact it would be H5PAD that is doing too much as he is redirecting a leftward approach into rightward just as a grenade is thrown and also attempting to re calibrate his aim on a heavy pistol with poor recoil and accuracy.

You can’t interrupt an interrupt. The shared time occurs as The droid is moving to his westward angle for the first cover to shoot at Markus.

That’s true you can’t interrupt and interrupt; but the “new information” or “interrupt” in this case is Markus throwing the grenade — remember, it’s still going to take two seconds before it explodes (as Frag grenades have a four second timer). This is why H5 changed his direction upon seeing the grenade toss and then changed his original set of actions. Interrupting an interrupt in this case would be H5 doing something to prevent Markus from throwing the grenade in the first place. Not only that, but you’ve already posted and confirmed Mithias’ previous post. His actions can’t be addressed for changes, so you can’t argue that he shouldn’t have been able to change his direction and actions now.

Therefore, as Markus throws the grenade, H5 changes direction — which by the way, is a pretty simple action. All he does is start moving right instead of left upon seeing the grenade being thrown, and shoot before reaching cover when it explodes. Such action, lined up with Markus’ pistol draw and shoot, would mean that they’re both shooting at each other at the same time.

 

[Faded]

No you misunderstood, I’m not challenging his actions. In fact there is nothing really faulty in the post. It’s the timing that’s disrupted. As the grenade is thrown and set to explode prior to his ability to get to cover which is his basis and written prior to his ability to fire the initial shots that were interrupted. Hence shared time starts at that moment, so he would be redirected his movements while attempting to fire a higher recoil blaster on the move. I’m stating that movement would be longer and less accurate than Markus firing his more stable pistol on H5PAD. Hence therefore the advantage stays with Markus.

 

[Vosrik]

No you misunderstood, I’m not challenging his actions. In fact there is nothing really faulty in the post. It’s the timing that’s disrupted. As the grenade is thrown and set to explode prior to his ability to get to cover which is his basis and written prior to his ability to fire the initial shots that were interrupted. Hence shared time starts at that moment, so he would be redirected his movements while attempting to fire a higher recoil blaster on the move. I’m stating that movement would be longer and less accurate than Markus firing his more stable pistol on H5PAD. Hence therefore the advantage stays with Markus.

I’m...not quite sure what you’re disagreeing with now, if you’re agreeing with Mithias’ post. Shared time is always constant and means both parties are acting at the same time. Markus drawing his pistol after throwing the grenade would happen at the same moment H5 began walking a different direction, and H5 doesn’t need to readjust his aim since he is already pointing his Lullaby at Markus. I’m saying the first shots from both parties would happen at the same time, and therefore Markus wouldn’t be able to shoot all four rounds while simultaneously rolling himself over to completely avoid H5’s shots.

 

[Faded]

That’s where you are misintepteting, the droids initial aiming was based on his leftward movement after Cover, an action that was interrupted. Hence Markus is aiming prior.

 

[Vosrik]

That’s where you are misintepteting, the droids initial aiming was based on his leftward movement after Cover, an action that was interrupted. Hence Markus is aiming prior.

H5 doesn’t have to completely change his aim just because he’s now advancing right instead of left. He’s still facing Markus throughout, who is stationary on the ground.

 

[Faded]

H5 doesn’t have to completely change his aim just because he’s now advancing right instead of left. He’s still facing Markus throughout, who is stationary on the ground.

He’s committed to a leftward movement which was interrupted. For a level one to change direction that fluidly without any loss of aim or targeting is a stretch. If he is contesting the four shots, I’m pretty sure he can come up with some feasible defense so we aren’t continually debating this. I even wrote that I did not expect the four shots to land.

 

[Axym]

So since Sythe is pretty much out of the fight... do I still post??