Destruction of the Arena OOC

[The Good Doctor]

Forgot to tag yet again @Undine @Fyston

and made very slight edits to the post above.

 

[Undine]

I'll make sure my post reads that his first choke attempt ceased instantly because he got shot at by Emerald and it doesn't continue. He dodges Emeralds, out-ranges. And I have to get closer for an attack. This cool?

Myself and @Fyston have talked it over and decided that this will work. Only thing I would ask is that you specify how far your character is moving so I know the new distance between him and Emerald. Gotta watch that Force Drain thing. Lol.​

 

[The Good Doctor]

Cool. I'll get that edit up by tonight or something!

 

[Fyston]

Honestly. If I jump to the side, or anywhere backwards any real distance, i'm outside of a 30 meter radius of Fyston. Which is literally the very edge of his weapons range. I did go to a tech mod, anything past that range fizzles out. So if I'm dodge Emerald's shots by jumping to the side, i'd be out-ranging Fyston by proxy. Which would mean I'd have to get closer for any kind of attack on the side too too so I'd do that.

And I don't think getting on the ground is an option since his physical actions say he just peppered the air, impling (to me) he was shooting randomly and I could still get hit by his attack even if I don't move in addition to Emerald's attack. And plus sitting duck.



I'll make sure my post reads that his first choke attempt ceased instantly because he got shot at by Emerald and it doesn't continue. He dodges Emeralds, out-ranges. And I have to get closer for an attack. This cool?

I can draw you a picture (crude though it may be) as to my blaster bolt placement if it'd simplify things. To me, shooting randomly is too OP and is unfair because you could roll backwards, flip upside down, and then fly into the air at the same time and I could go "Well I didn't say I didn't shoot there so you're hit." While you have talked with a Tech mod, I've spoken with an RP admin who has informed me that blaster bolts do not dissipate upon reaching their optimum range. There has been a ruling on this before and I am attempting to locate said ruling, I just cannot find it at this moment. IIRC, accuracy and power is at full inside this optimum/effective range but diminishes outside. Considering that I'm just shooting to deny you options as opposed to hitting you, accuracy really doesn't matter. Since this is a regular blaster pistol, I'm sure the strength would still be that of a light blaster pistol for at least another 10-20 meters. That said, this post states that the speed of a blaster bolt is 34m/s, meaning particle bolts would travel at a rate of about 27m/s. You being about 30m away from both parties means that you'd have about a second (a little less for Celtar's bolts, a little more for Emerald's) to respond.

As much as I'd like to press the argument that my bolts would not simply go away, I'd be fine with Xaxis dropping to the deck to avoid Emerald's bolts and Celtar's bolts just flying off harmlessly into the sunset. Agreeing with what @Undine mentioned earlier about the choke attempt ceasing and, as I mentioned above, he could dodge just by hitting the deck and letting them pass. @Faster Than Light @christhebarker

 

[Undine]

That said, this post states that the speed of a blaster bolt is 34m/s, meaning particle bolts would travel at a rate of about 27m/s. You being about 30m away from both parties means that you'd have about a second (a little less for Celtar's bolts, a little more for Emerald's) to respond.

@Faster Than Light I didn't know the exact numbers until now. Since you'd have barely over a second to hear the first round of bolts and then dodge I would normally ask that the bolt hit regardless, however because I've already agreed to the edits you proposed I won't press the issue. This round. Moving forward I'll be a little more stern now that I know the actual speed of the particle bolts. I just want to be clear on that moving forward.
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@christhebarker​

 

[The Good Doctor]

I've spoken with an RP admin who has informed me that blaster bolts do not dissipate upon reaching their optimum range

The thing is though, the range given on the pistol isn't an optimum range. It's a maximum range. I was wondering too what it was supposed to be, but it's a maximum range.

I'd also like to have clarification from a tech authority on blaster bolt speed. I don't see a set speed in canon. I just hear them being slow.

@Fyston @Undine

 

[Fyston]

To provide my own evidence:

EDIT: Removed screenshots

 

[Undine]

So, we've officially entered a grey area. Technically @Arclight outranks @Loco when it comes to PvP, yet Loco kinda outranks Arclight when it comes to tech moderation. Until we've heard from them on the matter further, let's just all walk away from the keyboards and focus on something else for a little while.​

I'd also like to have clarification from a tech authority on blaster bolt speed. I don't see a set speed in canon. I just hear them being slow.

Well, I would also like clarification on this as well. Just for the sake of certainty.
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[The Good Doctor]

So, we've officially entered a grey area. Technically @Arclight outranks @Loco when it comes to PvP, yet Loco kinda outranks Arclight when it comes to tech moderation. Until we've heard from them on the matter further, let's just all walk away from the keyboards and focus on something else for a little while.
Well, I would also like clarification on this as well. Just for the sake of certainty.
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Me as well. So we might need a ruling to determine this. idk

 

[Valen Pelora]

Hey guys, since Main Faction Battles are supposed to be semi-policed by the FLs I'm going to break my cardinal rule and post in an OOC for a thread I am not involved in.

While it's appropriate to seek guidance from staff on a certain issue, please do not post screen shots of those conversations and then use them as evidence you are correct. Those conversations are usually considered private and confidential.

Rulings/Reports exist for a reason, and are the correct way to address an issue like this, not posting your private conversation with a staff member.

 

[Loco]

If you guys need a ruling in a PvP thread, you need to report it. The system exists for a reason. It has been said time and time again that tagging or PMing individual mods and admins, or inciting general discussions in the tech channel on discord or anywhere else, is not an appropriate method for receiving a ruling.

And, just to reiterate the rules again- when it comes to tech, @Clayton is Space Jesus. If it is not codified in the rules somewhere, and it did not come from the tech admins mouth, then it is not a ruling. This is stated in both the staff thread alongside the RP rules, and in the tech rules themselves.



Now, as an aside and a matter of personal opinion, if you guys are trying to get into the nitty gritty of actual blaster bolt speed at any range less than a few hundred meters, you're doing this wrong.

 

[Fyston]

While we did not post it here, @Faster Than Light and I, as well as @Undine seem to have resolved our issues and it was less of an issue requiring an official ruling than recognizing that an issue has arisen given the nature of blaster bolts and ranges. As such, we were going to hold off, unless necessary, to report it given it such a minor detail that has been disagreed upon.

 

[christhebetrayer]

undine I'm trying to understand where your character is she inside the arena or something else just making I'm not misreading anything.

 

[christhebetrayer]

forgot to tag @Undine

 

[Undine]

undine I'm trying to understand where your character is she inside the arena or something else just making I'm not misreading anything.

She's next to it. I'm operating under the impression there is a wraparound walkway that goes all the way around the arena. Emerald was 30 meters from FTL's character, now she's likely somewhere around 25 meters from him crouching next to one of the pillars holding the side of the arena up. Emerald's not quite inside the arena, but not quite outside of it either. She's sitting right under the roof next to a pillar roughly 25 meters from @Faster Than Light's Jedi.​

 

[christhebetrayer]

okay, I get what you're saying thanks for clearing that up @Undine

 

[Undine]

@christhebarker Two quick questions, about how far away is your mando from my kitty, and what is the timer on that grenade?​

 

[christhebetrayer]

I was thinking 12ish meters and 4 seconds I would say @Undine

 

[Undine]

So four seconds from the time you throw it, so say one second for it to land at her feet and three seconds for her to react before it went off? Or four seconds by the time it lands for her to react? It'll move fast if their only 12 meters apart.

12 meters works for me.​

 

[christhebetrayer]

sorry should have clarified that I mean 4 seconds from throwing it @Undine