Destruction of the Arena OOC

Fyston

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So for the sake of transparency, I'm gonna post here. I am going to argue firstly that an instinctual scream will not stop the momentum of the attack, nor will it blast me/Celtar backwards, rupture eardrums, knock me out, etc. Your character has been wounded and you've used a decent amount of the Force while I've used a push. I'll accept being pushed backwards but given momentum (as your character is tired but relatively the same size (but a bit more frail than my character) and the fact that my blade hit its mark (which would, I'd argue, further disrupt your own attack) as you were going for your scream of desperation, your character is at least incapacitated.

Even if the tip of my blade pierced your chest as I was pushed away (arguing that its not but this is for the sake of discussion), it's being ripped out as I'm pushed away from you. If it's entering your chest cavity from the left and I am being pushed directly back, it's going to at least open your chest cavity up, if not (and this would be likely) cut into your lung. While you don't have to worry about a tension pneumothorax, you would be down one lung. Having tended to patients with only one working lung due to being shot or stabbed, they didn't really feel like fighting much more after that.

Edit: In the first sentence of your post, you stated that "Even with some of his arm burning from the edge of Celtar's lightsaber. His seething hatred for the Jedi made it easy to call upon the power of the dark side of the force to him" meaning that my lightsaber has already entered your character's arm. You stated that it allowed you to call on the Force but in the time it takes you to register pain (it's not instant, definitely not given the adrenaline you cited) and call on the Force a short time later (your second paragraph), my lightsaber is still moving into your chest as you've written that it has hit. I'd argue that it would be more deeply embedded into your chest (by the time of the scream) that you would at least suffer severe damage that, while not fatal, would put you out of the fight, as I also argued above.

Given that, I'm all for that scream being a side effect of that damage (you being out of the fight) but only to the effect that it'll deafen and daze Celtar (like a stun grenade/flashbang that goes off near your head) rather than blast him back, rupture eardrums, etc.
 
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That's fair enough.

I am going to argue firstly that an instinctual scream will not stop the momentum of the attack, nor will it blast me/Celtar backwards, rupture eardrums, knock me out, etc

This is conjecture, what I am intending to go for with my attack. Not what will actually happen.

So. While my character did get hit in the last round. It was the edge of a lightsaber doing just some amount of damage to characters upper arm. I don't find that I'm that wounded as you think i am. My character just growled in pain, not flailing or whining about it. And given that my character is having an adrenaline rush as he is on the defensive, I think my character can tough it out.

If I recall in TCW, Savage Opress is getting pelted with blaster bolts all over from battle driods, but he still could muster out a 360 degree force wave with enough power to take out all of them. And he was fighting a three way battle with Ventress and Dooku before I think.

Granted Savage Opress is a freak of nature, but if could do that with all the damage he took, then my situation is very plausible. And I haven't used any of the force last round and I noted that in that same post my character is 'seething in anger and hatred'. That's the kind of stuff that fuels the dark side. So I think it's plausible that my scream can be powerful until your saber hits, but my attack would hit you first

The rest is medical stuff I'm not going to be claim to be too familiar with. I'll stop there, but I don't my character would be done from that. More wounded and hurt yes, but I don't think i'd be down for the count.
 
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Just noticed this edit.

Edit: In the first sentence of your post, you stated that "Even with some of his arm burning from the edge of Celtar's lightsaber. His seething hatred for the Jedi made it easy to call upon the power of the dark side of the force to him" meaning that my lightsaber has already entered your character's arm. You stated that it allowed you to call on the Force but in the time it takes you to register pain (it's not instant, definitely not given the adrenaline you cited) and call on the Force a short time later (your second paragraph), my lightsaber is still moving into your chest as you've written that it has hit. I'd argue that it would be more deeply embedded into your chest (by the time of the scream) that you would at least suffer severe damage that, while not fatal, would put you out of the fight, as I also argued above.

I edited to make it clear that the first sentence was repeating what already happened in my second to last post in the last round. And in that same post he did register pain (with the growl). So the timeline in the rest of my post should go as intended (although results may vary)
 
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While my character did get hit in the last round. It was the edge of a lightsaber doing just some amount of damage to characters upper arm.

You post stating the attack landed, @Fyston's attack was, as stated in his post, meant to "penetrate the Sith's left chest." You offered no defensive measure to this attack, meaning it autohits. You can't downgrade the attack's effect to a slight burn on your arm when no counter was made to turn "a lightsaber through the chest" into "a painful burn on your arm."

Also, your Force Scream is a reaction to the pain of being impaled, you can't argue that a reaction happens before the cause of that reaction and thus negates the action (being impaled) because that's a paradox.​
 

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You post stating the attack landed, @Fyston's attack was, as stated in his post, meant to "penetrate the Sith's left chest." You offered no defensive measure to this attack, meaning it autohits. You can't downgrade the attack's effect to a slight burn on your arm when no counter was made to turn "a lightsaber through the chest" into "a painful burn on your arm."

Also, your Force Scream is a reaction to the pain of being impaled, you can't argue that a reaction happens before the cause of that reaction and thus negates the action (being impaled) because that's a paradox.​

Again, I reliterated/retold what happened in the last round. And I edited this to make it clear (I think it's clear now?)

And my interrupt (my scream) happens after Celtar grabs my wrist is my defense against the lightsaber to the chest. I think his stab's momentum would be stopped by it after the tip hits.
 
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So to argue against your whole "seething anger" etc, just because your character is being a 7th grade emo kid does NOT mean he is gathering the Force or preparing for an attack.

Also, last round I argued that you didn't really take much damage (in addition to the lack of time to do all of those actions) but your first attempt to "take damage" was a slice across your armor, effectively meaning no damage. You said "alright, I'll include more damage" and got a minor slice across your arm, effectively meaning no damage. I also argued above what would happen if even the tip (again, I'm arguing that momentum doesn't stop just because you rawr in dinosaur at me) penetrated your chest cavity. In all, I feel that there's a trend of avoiding any and all damage that isn't minor and inconsequential. You're also, to me, insinuating an auto-hit with the following bit (bolded for emphasis):

Given that Celtar was channeling the force to aid his physical grip on Xaxis' wrist and most likely did not see this sonic attack coming, Celtar should have no defense. And given that Celtar is at point-blank range (and should be getting hit instantaneously), it's doubtful he can avoid this attack in any way. In addition to the raw damage of the soundwaves hitting him, Celtar should be sent flying back, his eardrums ruptured and ringing, and possibility knocked out, if not worse. If Celtar is blown away like expected, the tip of Celtar's lightsaber would most likely leave it's searing mark on the left side of Xaxis' chest as it flies away with the rest of it's owner. Although the damage caused by this hurts, it is lessened somewhat by the adrenaline flowing, but Xaxis should be the one better off from this exchange.

To me, that screams auto-hit. There's a difference between explaining what would happen if your intended attack hit and the above section. I'm sure you're going to argue that I did the same as you in the post above but I did not say you'd be getting hit instantly, nor did I say you could not avoid the attacks. See my post in the quote below:

Seeing the Sith begin to reach across himself, Celtar simply closed the remaining distance and, with his free left hand, reached out to grab his opponent's right wrist right as it touched the lightsaber and used the Force to improve his strength. Given that Celtar would only have to push down and keep his hand tightly squeezed around the Sith's wrist, he had gravity and leverage, as well as the Force, on his side. The Sith's left arm was wounded and Celtar's final step would effectively sandwich the two together, preventing Celtar from moving his left hand and preventing Xaxis from moving his right. As he made the final step, Celtar would simultaneously bring his lightsaber in from the side, aiming to penetrate the Sith's left chest with his deep blue lightsaber. Given the design of Celtar's lightsaber and the motion of his thrust, the Sith would be unable to simply grab the Knight's hand, wrist, or arm before it would be too late. With the Sith's wrist held by the Knight and his arm sandwiched between the two combatants, the Orc would likely be unable to move his lightsaber very much. If he attempted to block the lightsaber strike, Celtar would squeeze with all of his might in order to attempt to break the brittle bones present in a humanoid's wrist, preventing any effective use of that hand until medical attention was sought. Of course, without dealing with the incoming lightsaber blade, medical attention would likely be unnecessary.

The grip in the first bolded portion (red) simply outlined the benefit of my character's positioning. Pushing down on something is more effective than pushing up, closing a fist against something is easier than opening said fist against pressure, etc. It didn't say it was impossible to get out of. In the second bolded portion (green) , I outlined what my maneuvering attempted to achieve: preventing me from using my left arm and you from using your right. This would help you not gain much momentum by just ripping away, for example.

In the third bolded portion (pink), I can see where it might me misconstrued as me trying to ensure a hit but that just defends against a simple attempt to grab the wrist/hilt of my character. By the "it would be too late" part, I simply meant that by the time you could get your arm to the hilt of the lightsaber, the blade would already be piercing your chest (lightsabers length in legends was about 1.45m or 4.7 feet). I attempted to limit your options, as PvP is about, but I did not claim that it hit automatically no matter what. In the fourth bolded portion (yellow), I again explained that, due to our characters being sandwiched, it was likely that you'd be unable to move your lightsaber much. Grab a broom, a sword, musket, etc and put it in your hand and then go lean (with that arm between your chest/abdomen and the wall) and see how far you can move it. At the very least, it's going to be a slower, more sloppy defense. But, again, it was an explanation of my intent and meant to limit your options while not mentioning autohitting.

In the last bolded portion (white), I explain that my intent was to attempt to crush or, at the very least, injure the bones in your wrist. Wasn't an autohit by any means because there are ways to defend against it. I also explained what the damage would be if the crush was successful. In any case, that was really only if you went to block the lightsaber strike.
 

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Also, last round I argued that you didn't really take much damage (in addition to the lack of time to do all of those actions) but your first attempt to "take damage" was a slice across your armor, effectively meaning no damage. You said "alright, I'll include more damage" and got a minor slice across your arm, effectively meaning no damage. I also argued above what would happen if even the tip (again, I'm arguing that momentum doesn't stop just because you rawr in dinosaur at me) penetrated your chest cavity. In all, I feel that there's a trend of avoiding any and all damage that isn't minor and inconsequential.

For the arm damage. I took some damage, but I think it's plausible that my character could power through the damage to do my actions. Just like Savage Opress was able to do his force wave despite being pelted with blaster fire from all sides, given that your saber tip hitting my upper arm seems mild in comparison. And for your last sentence in that paragraph, you kind of haven't taken any damage yourself despite me not going for knockout/killing blows until my most recent post.

And I reworded my post with language that makes it clear my scream isn't an autohit. Not my intention. I thought I used similar language to yours, but I guess not so I changed it to "he attempted to..." among other things and removed some conjecture that made it sound like an outright autohit.



No hard feelings or anything. my bad if i sound rude.
 
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For the arm damage. I took some damage, but I think it's plausible that my character could power through the damage to do my actions. Just like Savage Opress was able to do his force wave despite being pelted with blaster fire from all sides, given that your saber tip hitting my upper arm seems mild in comparison. And for your last sentence in that paragraph, you kind of haven't taken any damage yourself despite me not going for knockout/killing blows until my most recent post.

And I reworded my post with language that makes it clear my scream isn't an autohit. Not my intention. I thought I used similar language to yours, but I guess not so I changed it to "he attempted to..." among other things and removed some conjecture that made it sound like an outright autohit.



No hard feelings or anything. my bad if i sound rude.

I wasn't arguing that you didn't take damage, I was mentioning that I had, in the past, argued for more damage and got an essentially useless arm cut. Either way, it doesn't pertain much to what's going on now. Given that it's an instinctual scream, I don't believe it will instantly stop my momentum and I believe we won't be able to agree on this point.

As for not taking damage, I'll note that you really haven't gone for many aggressive attacks. Recently, I've interrupted or otherwise interfered with the attacks but you pulled me vs trying to push me into a wall, etc. Last round, you didn't really do anything but deal with my attack and stand there to get your lightsaber out so I pressed my advantage. I'm going to report the post simply because, as I mentioned earlier, it doesn't seem like we can agree on this and it's too close to the deadline to have to worry about using our third report.
 

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Ok, so after reading over the post, @Lightspeed's post will stand as is; its a good move (though, I would have gone with a head butt or a fist to the Jedi's face since you're in such close quarters). However, with the extent of the power you're suggesting behind it, it would definitely disorientate Celtar, and give some space between the characters, but Xaxis, would be feeling fatigued by the Force scream and getting burned in the lung would pull him down for the count. @Fyston, your post describing the lightsaber stab is a little muddy in description, meaning its wordy and a little hard to follow, however, if Xaxis is willing to take damage, that should be fine with the Force scream. I would suggest with the space created between characters, that Xaxis make an escape, because he won't do well in the following rounds.

Let me know if that makes sense, trying to do like a bunch of work things too! @_@
 

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That works, thanks for clearing things up, @GABA the Hutt! @christhebarker is up next, though I doubt everyone will get to post again before the thread times out on the 15th. Since it really doesn't matter one way or the other, @Undine and @Lightspeed, does everyone just want to escape rather than have an admin-decided ruling? It'd free these characters up for threads that take place after Ziost
 
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