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He would see it as soon as he peaked in through the door dude but okay
Bounty: Theron Vhan - The Wife
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He would see it as soon as he peaked in through the door dude but okay
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What is there to report about?
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The report mentioned the metagaming of the shooting, godmoding the NPC, and edits to the posts impacted by the shooting. Well, the impossibility of the shot due to the hedges blocking the back of the cabbie's neck is also included, but I never brought that up in the OOC because I was more concerned about the shot's attempt to begin with, and didn't want to get the argument in the weeds.
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Ruling: The attempt on the cab drivers life stands, but as an attempt. NPC or not, attacks should not be written as autohits- especially when doing so and then controlling the crash in the same post clearly would give a significant combat advanatge against the two PCs sitting in the back.
@TWD26 will need to edit his post in accordance with the above, along with anyone who posted follow up attacks against the cab. TWD will also have to explain this shot better, since it does appear that the hedge described by the DM may be blocking his shots.
Furthermore, I'm giving complete control over ALL NPCs in this thread- innocent cabbies and imperial troops one and all- to @Nefieslab, since it seems to be a continuing point of contention.
@TWD, AWhile I'm letting the attack stand, I have to agree that it could easily be interpreted as pretty meta, considering the totality of circumstances. Instead, I'll chalk it up to Carans highly questionable judgment. Best case scenario, depending on how things go for the rest of the thread, he may have to explain to his superiors why he decided that the best way to initiate hostilities on all sides was by murdering (or trying to murder) an innocent cab driver.
@Lets Awesome, I have to say I'm pretty surprised by the sheer number of reports and OOC disputes you've been involved in since you started pvping here. It shouldn't be so hard for you to talk people into agreeable compromises. If I had to guess, I'd say that part of the problem is that your arguments are so verbose that peoples eyes (mine included) start to glaze over as soon as they see it. You need to learn how to be more concise for one and less needlessly nitpicky for two. This was easily the longest report post I've ever had to read, and it really didn't need to be. If you continue to find that you cant be involved in pvp without things constantly going to novel length reports and disputes, you may be asked to step back from them entirely.
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@TWD26 will need to edit his post in accordance with the above, along with anyone who posted follow up attacks against the cab. TWD will also have to explain this shot better, since it does appear that the hedge described by the DM may be blocking his shots.
Furthermore, I'm giving complete control over ALL NPCs in this thread- innocent cabbies and imperial troops one and all- to @Nefieslab, since it seems to be a continuing point of contention.
@TWD, AWhile I'm letting the attack stand, I have to agree that it could easily be interpreted as pretty meta, considering the totality of circumstances. Instead, I'll chalk it up to Carans highly questionable judgment. Best case scenario, depending on how things go for the rest of the thread, he may have to explain to his superiors why he decided that the best way to initiate hostilities on all sides was by murdering (or trying to murder) an innocent cab driver.
@Lets Awesome, I have to say I'm pretty surprised by the sheer number of reports and OOC disputes you've been involved in since you started pvping here. It shouldn't be so hard for you to talk people into agreeable compromises. If I had to guess, I'd say that part of the problem is that your arguments are so verbose that peoples eyes (mine included) start to glaze over as soon as they see it. You need to learn how to be more concise for one and less needlessly nitpicky for two. This was easily the longest report post I've ever had to read, and it really didn't need to be. If you continue to find that you cant be involved in pvp without things constantly going to novel length reports and disputes, you may be asked to step back from them entirely.
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I'm fine with dealing with IC consequences if my character survives to see the day, as for how to edit my post--I'll edit the post to say that I shot the driver in the neck and leave the crash or circumstances up to whatever happens. Really I was just stuck on how we're supposed to deal with these NPCs in the first place since generally we don't rely on the impact and actions of an npc in pvp, so I just had it crash.
Any clarification on how you would like it edited @Loco? I assume just shoot the guy, and let nefie decide what happens afterwords.
But, I would rather it be clarified now then have the cab continue to hold up this thread.
Any clarification on how you would like it edited @Loco? I assume just shoot the guy, and let nefie decide what happens afterwords.
But, I would rather it be clarified now then have the cab continue to hold up this thread.
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Okay, I edited my post and willing to live with any implications of what my character just did if he happens to survive.
The crash has been omitted and instead I took an attempt against the life of the cabbie out of frustration with the Empire growing inside of him, I can link to relevant IC threads if you would like to see justification as to that being "meta".
@Rimrald and @Phoenix will have to edit their post to take out the crash part, other than that, not much has changed.
The crash has been omitted and instead I took an attempt against the life of the cabbie out of frustration with the Empire growing inside of him, I can link to relevant IC threads if you would like to see justification as to that being "meta".
@Rimrald and @Phoenix will have to edit their post to take out the crash part, other than that, not much has changed.
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@TWD26 The ruling was to explain the shots better, but not to change their time and place. They are now clear of the hedges that were brought up OOC. That seems meta.
Killing the cabbie makes even less sense now. He's just upset with intel boys, but just drops the gun before he even tries to fire on them. Just kills a cabbie in a cab he's not trying to stop anymore. Please just only make the edits asked for.
Arclight told me to clarify issues in OOC in another ruling. Took that too literally I guess. Should I bring some of this stuff up one on one first? Would people feel less on the spot then? Honestly, I'm really crap with people sometimes.
Killing the cabbie makes even less sense now. He's just upset with intel boys, but just drops the gun before he even tries to fire on them. Just kills a cabbie in a cab he's not trying to stop anymore. Please just only make the edits asked for.
Arclight told me to clarify issues in OOC in another ruling. Took that too literally I guess. Should I bring some of this stuff up one on one first? Would people feel less on the spot then? Honestly, I'm really crap with people sometimes.
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If something was brought up ooc like badges but not changed in a post from a round that’s now past, it’s moot.
(Not sure if that’s the case just clarifiying)
Your interpretation of what’s going on in his characters head is not what dictates his characters actions, it’s how TWD sees his character thinking that dictates it. He was told to edit and he has edited, personally don’t enjoy how you’re trying to dictate how other people write their characters in PvP because what they would do doesn’t make sense to you. If you tried to stop people in their everyday lives because you didn’t have the insight into why they’re making their choices it wouldn’t make any sense either; you don’t know his story or motivations so I beg of you to please stop trying to meticulously analyze the situation every round.
(Not sure if that’s the case just clarifiying)
Your interpretation of what’s going on in his characters head is not what dictates his characters actions, it’s how TWD sees his character thinking that dictates it. He was told to edit and he has edited, personally don’t enjoy how you’re trying to dictate how other people write their characters in PvP because what they would do doesn’t make sense to you. If you tried to stop people in their everyday lives because you didn’t have the insight into why they’re making their choices it wouldn’t make any sense either; you don’t know his story or motivations so I beg of you to please stop trying to meticulously analyze the situation every round.
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I talked to Loco about the post and what I was going to do. I was told that the post could change as long as it included the shots towards the cabbie. I changed the shots to an attempt and instead of autohitting the character. In my original post I stated that I walked towards the crash site, well that doesn't exist anymore per the ruling, so instead I decided to have my character abandon the Empire. I can link you to two to three threads of him dealing with Imperial Intelligence and how he felt about it, I'm fine with Caran dealing with the consequences of his actions, not everyone makes the best decisions 24/7.
Second, about the hedges, I stated that he stood in the center of the sidewalk. There really shouldn't be hedges in the middle of a sidewalk, unless there are ones that line the devilstrip.
Lastly, I think these intentions come across as more genuine then the ones that I had before. This character was originally created with defection in mind. Sadly every character in that storyline had died, so it fell into limbo. There had been a precedent set in my character's storyline about an off and on feeling towards the Empire. Now he has a reason for shooting the Imperial, he's done with it all. I'm not going to change it just because you don't like the betrayal. Because regardless me shooting at the Cabbie had to happen, per Loco's ruling, so Caran's intentions should mean little to you at this point, all that should be of concern is that he shot at your cab.
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I'm not going to lie, I have no idea what's going on IC.
I'm not sure much of the thread makes sense any more. I'm certain that my post no longer makes much sense at all. Am I allowed to edit? Is there an appetite to continue?
I'm not sure much of the thread makes sense any more. I'm certain that my post no longer makes much sense at all. Am I allowed to edit? Is there an appetite to continue?
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The thread still makes sense, there is still an appetite to continue for everyone else as we still have the original goal in mind of one of the two sides getting the woman and getting the information.
IC is simple to comprehend if you read the posts, an imperial has given up his belief in the war efforts under IR. Has snapped and decided to attack in the direction of the bount hunter and IR intel guy in the cab before losing it and walking away.
If you don’t have appetite to continue due to how the thread has gone, I’m sorry but editing was an option during your teams turn or during the report, he should’ve indicated you had an issue at the time if you did.
IC is simple to comprehend if you read the posts, an imperial has given up his belief in the war efforts under IR. Has snapped and decided to attack in the direction of the bount hunter and IR intel guy in the cab before losing it and walking away.
If you don’t have appetite to continue due to how the thread has gone, I’m sorry but editing was an option during your teams turn or during the report, he should’ve indicated you had an issue at the time if you did.
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Wait, I think you are overestimating my position.
The particular point of clash in my mind in the posts is that I wrote my post when TWD was on our team, now he isn't. Therefore, Ben being a link man between the two halves of the squad makes no sense. Also his positioning doesn't either.
OOC, I just would like to note that the Mando team grew explicitly to even out the sides. Now the IR isn't so much a side as a hole. I'll grant you it makes for an interesting story, but what I have little appetite for is sacrificing my character for it if this turns into a bloodbath.
The particular point of clash in my mind in the posts is that I wrote my post when TWD was on our team, now he isn't. Therefore, Ben being a link man between the two halves of the squad makes no sense. Also his positioning doesn't either.
OOC, I just would like to note that the Mando team grew explicitly to even out the sides. Now the IR isn't so much a side as a hole. I'll grant you it makes for an interesting story, but what I have little appetite for is sacrificing my character for it if this turns into a bloodbath.
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Uhhh adapt, improvise and overcome soldier.
Teams are still even at current stage, 4v4 even with the loss of TWD; how the next round plays out can obviously change that.
Positioning and preconceived IC notions aren’t something that I feel are subject to allowance of change due to the circumstance IC being turned on its head.
Teams are still even at current stage, 4v4 even with the loss of TWD; how the next round plays out can obviously change that.
Positioning and preconceived IC notions aren’t something that I feel are subject to allowance of change due to the circumstance IC being turned on its head.
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My shots still happened, instead of walking towards the crash site, I'm walking away from the fight.
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@TWD26 'This character was originally created with defection in mind.'
Defection during a PvP is so awkward dude. Sticking with the original would honestly just avoid more headaches on the IR side at this point.
@Rimrald That's valid. I don't want anyone to feel I'm bossing them around. Micromanaging IC is not what I was trying to do in this particular case. I just felt it better to preserve the original post, simply to avoid the headache of a new post I understood even less than the original.
Defection during a PvP is so awkward dude. Sticking with the original would honestly just avoid more headaches on the IR side at this point.
@Rimrald That's valid. I don't want anyone to feel I'm bossing them around. Micromanaging IC is not what I was trying to do in this particular case. I just felt it better to preserve the original post, simply to avoid the headache of a new post I understood even less than the original.