ATTN: Padawan General Roleplaying

[Brand]

Hello everyone,

It has come to both mine and Will's attention that Padawans are, in general, having issues with training, be it inactive Masters, lack of classes, etc. What we as the Council want to enforce is that there are other ways to advance and train your character; general roleplaying and writing with fellow apprentices, developing one's skills on their own, the list goes on and on, all contribute towards your quest to Knighthood.

We play as Jedi for fun; our currently limited supply of masters in both Knights and Master-rank Jedi has created a swamped and bloated atmosphere, and we have seen and taken note of the fact that Padawans are growing antsy. This attention serves as a reminder that general roleplaying is an essential and important part of not only character development, but also your enjoyment of the site as a whole and in your advancement towards Knighthood and eventually Mastership.

Keep this in mind, guys. Thanks.

 

[Aluminum Falcon]

No offense, but it sounds like you need to promote some experienced roleplayers to knighthood.

 

[Phil]

No offense, but it sounds like you need to promote some experienced roleplayers to knighthood.

Then those who feel they should should speak to the Council or their Masters and tell why they should be promoted.

 

[Syn]

Well I am at least enjoying the padawan, and I know at least two others who are really liking it. Classes I wish would pick up but overall Trellheim you and Will are doing good..... Don't let the masses get you down.

 

[Xyrael]

Also, do note that most of the masses tend to be people who initially tried creating Knight characters and have never had any experience with a Knight level character, or are not Jedi regardless. The rule was: No Jedi Knight who hasn't gone through padawan training. Breaking the rule to satisfy people now very well could backfire later.

And yes, promote people that feel they should be Knight. It's been available to do, only one person's tried iirc? How many people qualify for both 1.) Wanting to be a Knight and 2.) Qualified to train padawans to Knight?

Maybe 3-4. 3-4 Knights won't fix the issue. People's problem is they aren't proactive enough and expect other people to fix problems for them. It's not just a problem on the forum, it's a problem in real life. There's a Story OOC forum for people to organize thread ideas with others, as well as the NJO OOC. You don't need to run missions, you don't need a Knight to hold your hand. Get up and do something yourself.

TL;DR: If you aren't creative enough to come up with thread ideas to train yourself, you aren't creative enough to come up with thread ideas to train a padawan.

 

[Sreeya]

I agree with Xyrael and think that people with the padawan chars need to take the initiative here. I have an acolyte on the Sith side and I've been developing her through rps in the Story board. She's progressing at the same level, if not more, than the acolytes going through formal training. Trell, Gambler and I did rps with our acolytes where we used Force powers and engaged in combat and we had a blast. At the same time, our chars are learning and gaining experience that would make them powerful Sith.

The problem is that people put far too much weight on ranks and titles. If someone were to pit two Jedi against each other, if a Knight has had less rp experience than a padawan, I believe that padawan should be able to be a better warrior than the Knight. People need to stop looking at training as this thing to get out of the way and look at is as a learning experience. That means getting out there and getting real experience in the story board instead of being stuck at a temple and then going on a mission or two. Stop waiting for the higher ups to spoon feed you everything and take initiative and you'll not only have fun, but you'll develop your chars at the same time.

 

[Dmitri]

Exactly. Rank and title are just that, ranks and title. The only big thing that comes from making Knighthood is the ability to train Padawans and it's already been mentioned that experienced Padawans can teach lessons to less experienced Padawans in a student teacher way.

 

[Brand]

I agree with Xyrael and think that people with the padawan chars need to take the initiative here. I have an acolyte on the Sith side and I've been developing her through rps in the Story board. She's progressing at the same level, if not more, than the acolytes going through formal training. Trell, Gambler and I did rps with our acolytes where we used Force powers and engaged in combat and we had a blast. At the same time, our chars are learning and gaining experience that would make them powerful Sith.

The problem is that people put far too much weight on ranks and titles. If someone were to pit two Jedi against each other, if a Knight has had less rp experience than a padawan, I believe that padawan should be able to be a better warrior than the Knight. People need to stop looking at training as this thing to get out of the way and look at is as a learning experience. That means getting out there and getting real experience in the story board instead of being stuck at a temple and then going on a mission or two. Stop waiting for the higher ups to spoon feed you everything and take initiative and you'll not only have fun, but you'll develop your chars at the same time.

Thank you...

 

[DeathToll]

TL;DR: If you aren't creative enough to come up with thread ideas to train yourself, you aren't creative enough to come up with thread ideas to train a padawan.

this.

 

[Prancing Yawn]

Atleast quite a few Jedi have got involved with the Konstallen threads, including myself and Matt. Not sure how many of those are Padawans, though.

 

[Kuran]

Atleast quite a few Jedi have got involved with the Konstallen threads, including myself and Matt. Not sure how many of those are Padawans, though.

I'm one of them, Liberty Plaza.

 

[Andreus Makaryk]

Atleast quite a few Jedi have got involved with the Konstallen threads, including myself and Matt. Not sure how many of those are Padawans, though.

*raises hand*

I had to lobby Jiang to add space battles, however.

 

[Kuran]

While this is an issue, how much are padawans allowed to do themselves? Would I be able to RP the construction of my lightsaber alone for instance?

 

[Eternal]

Why am I left with the impression that some members suggest Padawans make their own threads and simply post their training there in order to add to their Knighthood?

If that's true, what's the difference between that and people who simply added it to their profiles when they created the characters?

Both ways eliminate risk and are closed in RP, in short, you just post random training stuff yourself until you decide you're ready. It's not hard, most people know what they should be doing, but if that's how it should be done let us know.

I for one really don't agree that Knighthood isn't given to everyone when they created their character, yet RPing with yourself in another thread, might. I don't really see a difference there.

 

[Sreeya]

Eh? You wouldn't be rping with yourself. You'd be rping in actual situations where risk is present. The idea is to get your padawan out there interacting with others. When you feel you're ready, you ask higher ups to look at what you've done so far and they decide if you're truly ready to progress. If you simply rp by yourself and do pretty much nothing, obviously that'd be easy to catch when you present the rps to council.

 

[Cisco]

Eh? You wouldn't be rping with yourself. You'd be rping in actual situations where risk is present. The idea is to get your padawan out there interacting with others. When you feel you're ready, you ask higher ups to look at what you've done so far and they decide if you're truly ready to progress. If you simply rp by yourself and do pretty much nothing, obviously that'd be easy to catch when you present the rps to council.

I think he may be talking about the minor things like running a one post thread about you looking into a bloody holocron and going 'Oh, So that's how you do it'

 

[Xyrael]

I think he may be talking about the minor things like running a one post thread about you looking into a bloody holocron and going 'Oh, So that's how you do it'

I hate those.

But the other thing is that you need to see what works and what doesn't work. If your defense doesn't work, your character will die. As a Knight, you're put into a position where people count on you to protect them, and your inexperience in combat posting may cost not only you your character, but other peoples. That's one of many reasons.

 

[Andreus Makaryk]

I hate those.

But the other thing is that you need to see what works and what doesn't work. If your defense doesn't work, your character will die. As a Knight, you're put into a position where people count on you to protect them, and your inexperience in combat posting may cost not only you your character, but other peoples. That's one of many reasons.

And, without Masters out training, it can be very difficult to learn proper defense. Sure, you can spar with your fellow padawans to pass the time, but that still cannot substitute for actual instruction provided from a Master and the experience gained from sparring someone who is better, more experienced than you. And if your character has never learned defense to begin with, it is difficult to justify throwing him in the meat grinder where he is almost certain to die without someone more experienced to protect and instruct him. Unless you're really into writing character bios. It's going to be much more difficult to neutralize a Sith or bounty hunter worth his salt in the open world than it would be to neutralize a similarly unskilled padawan in a sparring match in the Temple. Right now, there's kind of a shortage of such experienced characters available for escort or instruction duty.

There is risk of going out and RPing, and then there is foolishly exposing yourself to needless risk. Going out with a character who has no training whatsoever because the system never got around to him can fall into the latter category if you didn't have the foresight or desire to pre-load that character's bio with combat skills in the first place.

Some things still need to be taught, be it from an individual master-padawan relationship or in a class, but the system right now is so overloaded it isn't serving this function effectively.

 

[Rameth]

Some people just really aren't getting the problem. We aren't complaining that we are not Knights or are not getting to Knight fast enough. We are complaining that there is no one to train us. The whole point of being a Padawan is to be trained by a Master/Class. Otherwise why is there a training system in the first place?

At least 5-6 people have told us "You don't need someone to hold your hand. Go out and RP yourself and/or with other Padawans". That's all fine and dandy but after we come back from adventuring or learning a skill with a group of Padawans (which would be very slow paced, or should be) we want to learn some advanced training from a Master. That is impossible if the Masters are so swamped they can't train anybody.

Sadly there isn't really anything the staff, Padawans or Masters can do about any of this. There's just not enough Masters and not enough "experienced" people willing to make Knights to train Padawans. So we are basically ****ed for however long this takes to pass. All the Padawans just need to do the best they can to keep the training threads they are in going and try to learn what they can from other Padawans while we are in this rut.

Also people should stop telling us "We know theres a problem but if you go out and RP it will be solved" cause that will solve nothing as it doesn't pertain to the thing we are complaining about. We are in other threads besides the training threads or trying to get into general RP threads. Brandon helped me in the suggestions thread to realize that it is basically just bad luck that everything is going on right now. That's what you should be saying, not "try harder Padawans nothings really wrong".

 

[Gambler]

So you're saying that I'm contributing to the problem for making a Padawan when I could have requested Knight/Master?