Babbling bable

[Sabrina]

it is not up yet, as I read the description.
The longer it is up, the weaker it is.
Though prepping it make it stronger

 

[Sabrina]

@Darasuum at second question, which just occurred to me. Your heavily armoured, non force user vrs a medium armoured force user. How did you get to block my attack so quickly?

Also a qoute: So she mentally prepared a force barrier, in case she need it at a moment's notice.

 

[Darasuum]

@Darasuum at second question, which just occurred to me. Your heavily armoured, non force user vrs a medium armoured force user. How did you get to block my attack so quickly?

Also a qoute: So she mentally prepared a force barrier, in case she need it at a moment's notice.

Sabrina has to close the distance and make a pretty obvious heavy swing if she intends to cleave all the way through my big boi even with a lightsaber. He is in medium armor but it is just one arm that is free to move at that time. Plus, he is strong and so the hinderance of armor weight is not exactly the same as other people, add to level 2 and it all comes together.

 

[Sabrina]

I am sure heavy armour yesterday but I was in bad mood. Nothing to do with here,

 

[Darasuum]

I am sure heavy armour yesterday but I was in bad mood. Nothing to do with here,

Rayne is/was using heavy armor. Burkhart uses medium.

 

[Darasuum]

I think I edited out the force barrier activation.

 

[Mad Dog]

Rayne is/was using heavy armor. Burkhart uses medium.

Mines more like medium now XD

 

[KinkyPrawn]

Ok seeing as everybody posted, here goes.

@Darasuum We have a few problems with your post and how it lines up with the timing.

"He was on his feet, firmly on the ground when she decided to press his right side as he faced her." Sabrina's post was meant to catch you while you were airborne and traversing the length of the hallway. So the force-push would have caught you mid-flight to push you sideways into a wall(this way your jet-pack would assist)
Even if you managed to touch down in time, your back would most likely still be turned on her and you would not have chance to brace and resist the push.
From personal experience I can tell you that you can weigh whatever amount, but a sudden force catching you off guard will most certainly stagger or throw you off balance(My 6'5 120kg friend is pretty solid on his feet but even he stagger's or almost falls over if you just unsuspectingly shove him from behind or from the side or fall into him.)
Also from what I can see there was no mention of him turning around mid-flight to face in Sabrina's direction, only him powering up and yeeting out of his position. So there's another continuity error right there.

"This would not give him any time, to draw his Violator pistol or any other weapon." I understand that this may come off as a stretch, but from what I can remember you did not object to this. So her push-and-slice jammy would interrupt either the draw/charge/discharge of the pistol. So flipping around and blowing her in half is a pretty big stretch as well. Also while there's no problem with the physical blade slap, the timing of it is also a little off. And again there was no mention of him turning to face her.

"His defensive swat would likely put her off balance both mentally and physically." She was only holding the saber with one hand. No way will a slap to the blade itself throw her entire body off balance.


"Burkhart was aware of the tricks and magicks that the force users had at their disposal and with a firm hand would hold the weapon on the female with intensity, not willing to budge on his aim." Where the heck is he holding on? If it's her blade that might be a problem. If it's the hilt, his hand moved with FS-like speed to grab hold of her hand and hold it there.( the ability to hold it there is completely justified, your dude is pretty big so that's pretty reasonable to physically hold her hand there.) The timing is once again a little off with it.




Now this is my personal input and I'm not speaking for my entire team. If they disagree or wanna add something they can gladly add their 2 cents on the situation.

I also understand that you are probably not in the mood to lose a guy you probably invested at least a hundred hours in. I also don't wanna lose my dude and Sabrina will most certainly not wanna lose her girl as well. If this is what this nit-picking has been about this whole time, we can gladly reach some agreement to not end up slaughtering each other or we can even take it to a ruling and then we just end this dumpster-fire of a PvP and HOPEFULLY walk away with an extra credit or 2, that way we all can draw, leave, level up and live to fight another day.
Both sides can also maybe come to another agreement if everyone still wanna blunder forward into this cockup for SOME reason.

I still wanna RP with all you guys in one way or another so if we can all kiss, hug and leave in peace from this mess it would be friggin awesome.




I'll be quite honest with you guys this whole ordeal is a pretty good depiction of SA politics. an absolute mess

 

[Mr. Teatime]

Hey, been lurking while I do bio stuff. Neutral party and all.

"Burkhart was aware of the tricks and magicks that the force users had at their disposal and with a firm hand would hold the weapon on the female with intensity, not willing to budge on his aim." <-- I'm fairly certain this line refers to the Violator, not Sabrina's weapon. That is, he is, with a firm hand, is keeping it aimed at Sabrina with intensity that comes with not wanting to get cut in half and/or adrenaline.

 

[Logan]

Hey, been lurking while I do bio stuff. Neutral party and all.

"Burkhart was aware of the tricks and magicks that the force users had at their disposal and with a firm hand would hold the weapon on the female with intensity, not willing to budge on his aim." <-- I'm fairly certain this line refers to the Violator, not Sabrina's weapon. That is, he is, with a firm hand, is keeping it aimed at Sabrina with intensity that comes with not wanting to get cut in half and/or adrenaline.

While your intentions are good, please don't post in OOCs that don't involve you or your character. It can just muddy waters.

 

[Darasuum]

Ok seeing as everybody posted, here goes.

@Darasuum We have a few problems with your post and how it lines up with the timing.

"He was on his feet, firmly on the ground when she decided to press his right side as he faced her." Sabrina's post was meant to catch you while you were airborne and traversing the length of the hallway. So the force-push would have caught you mid-flight to push you sideways into a wall(this way your jet-pack would assist)
Even if you managed to touch down in time, your back would most likely still be turned on her and you would not have chance to brace and resist the push.
From personal experience I can tell you that you can weigh whatever amount, but a sudden force catching you off guard will most certainly stagger or throw you off balance(My 6'5 120kg friend is pretty solid on his feet but even he stagger's or almost falls over if you just unsuspectingly shove him from behind or from the side or fall into him.)
Also from what I can see there was no mention of him turning around mid-flight to face in Sabrina's direction, only him powering up and yeeting out of his position. So there's another continuity error right there.

"This would not give him any time, to draw his Violator pistol or any other weapon." I understand that this may come off as a stretch, but from what I can remember you did not object to this. So her push-and-slice jammy would interrupt either the draw/charge/discharge of the pistol. So flipping around and blowing her in half is a pretty big stretch as well. Also while there's no problem with the physical blade slap, the timing of it is also a little off. And again there was no mention of him turning to face her.

"His defensive swat would likely put her off balance both mentally and physically." She was only holding the saber with one hand. No way will a slap to the blade itself throw her entire body off balance.


"Burkhart was aware of the tricks and magicks that the force users had at their disposal and with a firm hand would hold the weapon on the female with intensity, not willing to budge on his aim." Where the heck is he holding on? If it's her blade that might be a problem. If it's the hilt, his hand moved with FS-like speed to grab hold of her hand and hold it there.( the ability to hold it there is completely justified, your dude is pretty big so that's pretty reasonable to physically hold her hand there.) The timing is once again a little off with it.




Now this is my personal input and I'm not speaking for my entire team. If they disagree or wanna add something they can gladly add their 2 cents on the situation.

I also understand that you are probably not in the mood to lose a guy you probably invested at least a hundred hours in. I also don't wanna lose my dude and Sabrina will most certainly not wanna lose her girl as well. If this is what this nit-picking has been about this whole time, we can gladly reach some agreement to not end up slaughtering each other or we can even take it to a ruling and then we just end this dumpster-fire of a PvP and HOPEFULLY walk away with an extra credit or 2, that way we all can draw, leave, level up and live to fight another day.
Both sides can also maybe come to another agreement if everyone still wanna blunder forward into this cockup for SOME reason.

I still wanna RP with all you guys in one way or another so if we can all kiss, hug and leave in peace from this mess it would be friggin awesome.




I'll be quite honest with you guys this whole ordeal is a pretty good depiction of SA politics. an absolute mess

Wow, big post. I'm going to color code this.

I know what she meant. I'm saying that her timing is just wrong and I brought it up earlier that there was a discrepancy. I would prefer to not clog up another post in this OOC by citing/quoting them again when it can just be reviewed by going back a page.
" the angle he made when pulling off the evasive maneuver would also make another struck the shoulder it was related to and the third just barely missed him, " inferring that he was twisting to face the map's north which I thought was clear in the maps I've repeatedly posted in this thread. I also still say that Burkhart gets shoved and slams into the bulkhead so i don't know why you think i'm not being moved.

Burkhart drew and started charging the violator in transition so having the catchall "he can't do this" sort of narrative doesn't allow people to force others into disability. If we could do that then Nommie could just say Radth could keep firing and it would not allow Qsan to move at all from cover or poke his head out. Sabrina's timing is in concert with that of Qsan's light repeater fire and as such is much later than she may have thought earlier on. Therefore there is no interrupt.

the key word is likely. It is really very open. I'm writing my case on how much of an affect I think the counter would do. I'm not saying it HAS to put her off balance. That would be borderline godmoding. Considering you were just making your case about 'he wouldn't be able to draw his weapon' as a firm statement that seems pretty contradictory of an outlook.

He is holding his violator so that his physical strength and skill is focused on keeping it on her in the even she tries to do any sort of force push or pull or grab his hand or whatever.

 

[Nor'baal]

There's no way the twelve mandos are cutting you off. They don't have power. It's a non issue. If you head to your shuttle right now for example you would just blaze right through them but once you got to the shuttle you would need to start from square one to get away and start the calculations yourselves. You've mentioned your own NPCs so far this thread in a manner that makes me think you are using yours to get an advantage for escaping. If you want to escape you have to do it on your own and not rely on NPCs to do the leg work for you.

I am going to muck in on this one, as I think this has bearing on me somewhat - should the thread go to a ruling and all. It seems to me a little pointless writing, after it was made clear that @Sabrina and @kinky prawn would be trying to use a shuttle to escape, that twelve Mandalorians then appeared to cut off that avenue of escape. To me, this does look a lot like NPCs being used to effect the outcome of a PvP - as by cutting off an escape route using NPCs, you are forcing Sabrina and Prawn to return to the fray.

Whilst you have said that there is 'no way' the Mandalorians are cutting them off, it seems therefore odd to mention how they are outclassing or outnumbering any possible troops that could head off the Sith Shuttle, and even stranger to mention them at all. Why mentioned 'My team of elite warriors cut off your escape route' if then, in OOC, you are only going to say 'there is no way they are cutting you off' - seems counter-intuitive to me.

As I think this is headed for a ruling, I would like to bring up for the record that I think the use of NPCs in this fashion should be disregarded, or edited out entirely, as they have no bearing on the thread.

 

[Mad Dog]

I am going to muck in on this one, as I think this has bearing on me somewhat - should the thread go to a ruling and all. It seems to me a little pointless writing, after it was made clear that @Sabrina and @kinky prawn would be trying to use a shuttle to escape, that twelve Mandalorians then appeared to cut off that avenue of escape. To me, this does look a lot like NPCs being used to effect the outcome of a PvP - as by cutting off an escape route using NPCs, you are forcing Sabrina and Prawn to return to the fray.

Whilst you have said that there is 'no way' the Mandalorians are cutting them off, it seems therefore odd to mention how they are outclassing or outnumbering any possible troops that could head off the Sith Shuttle, and even stranger to mention them at all. Why mentioned 'My team of elite warriors cut off your escape route' if then, in OOC, you are only going to say 'there is no way they are cutting you off' - seems counter-intuitive to me.

As I think this is headed for a ruling, I would like to bring up for the record that I think the use of NPCs in this fashion should be disregarded, or edited out entirely, as they have no bearing on the thread.

Well not to be a jerk or anything, but using NPCs to create an escape route would warrant the same argument you just posted.

 

[Sabrina]

@Mad Dog the diffrence is my npc, is not interfering with you. Not blocking you or anything else, his npcs, would be blocking my escape route, which I am about activate, once @Darasuum edited that out.

 

[Nor'baal]

Well not to be a jerk or anything, but using NPCs to create an escape route would warrant the same argument you just posted.

I don't disagree with you, but that's doesn't matter all that much. Sabrina would have needed to get to the ship, get onto the ship, take off in the ship, get to orbit, then the hyperdrive issue would have come up - which as it has always been addressed, and she has been made aware of, wouldn't have been an issue by then.

However, given the fact this OOC has now got to the stage at which we are arguing over whether someone could grab someone's hand, or move in a jetpack, and at what speed - I hate to think the complexity of the meta ruling flying a ship would cause. We appear to be debating applied physics rather than space wars with Lazer guns.

I don't think this thread is really going anywhere. It appears that every point made is met by increasingly complexed issued that are bordering on the microscopic in detail.

I know full well that it's easy to get caught up when one faces the loss of a character, However it appears that nobody is willing to budge on anything, and we are now arguing over very very small details and 'rules lawyering' rather than telling a story.

With that in mind, I would like to suggest we request a ruling to close the thread. @Logan @Mad Dog @Darasuum @Nommie would this be agreeable to your team?

 

[Logan]

I think you should be worrying less about an "escape route" and more about the fighting. It's unlikely you'll make it to your escape route anyway, given you'd have to go back the way you came and... that's where I am. (:

Can we please just actually RP and leave this stupid ooc alone for more than 20 minutes. >_>

 

[KinkyPrawn]

I think you should be worrying less about an "escape route" and more about the fighting. It's unlikely you'll make it to your escape route anyway, given you'd have to go back the way you came and... that's where I am. (:

Can we please just actually RP and leave this stupid ooc alone for more than 20 minutes. >_>

@Logan I don't think we need to worry about you that much. We can just force-throw you over our shoulder like a sack of potatoes. :P






I don't even wanna think what uproar that would cause in here XD

 

[Nor'baal]

I think you should be worrying less about an "escape route" and more about the fighting. It's unlikely you'll make it to your escape route anyway, given you'd have to go back the way you came and... that's where I am. (:

Can we please just actually RP and leave this stupid ooc alone for more than 20 minutes. >_>

Just on this note as well, it is also possible - when cornered and outnumbered by scary men in metal suits - to surrender and get captured.

 

[Logan]

@Logan I don't think we need to worry about you that much. We can just force-throw you over our shoulder like a sack of potatoes. :P






I don't even wanna think what uproar that would cause in here XD

Think your character has a lot more to worry about right now given what I just most recently did to his torso and face. (:

Just on this note as well, it is also possible - when cornered and outnumbered by scary men in metal suits - to surrender and get captured.

Yerp. Also possible.

Either way though, lets get a move on if possible plzz.

 

[Mad Dog]

Just on this note as well, it is also possible - when cornered and outnumbered by scary men in metal suits - to surrender and get captured.

As speaker for the Mandalorians, I accept the surrender of the Sith.


Finally, an agreeable end to the thread, thank you Norbs for negotiating. :)