PvP You Had Me at "Hutt Council" OOC

[Xan]

Hello all, and welcome to the OOC for this particular thread. You will forgive me if this is missing something, but I'm throwing it out there for the sake of clarity and transparency.

Link to the Thread
Link to PvP Guide
Link to Map Image (Currently Debated)

@Darasuum as Dar'baal Desilijic Zordo
@Interdictor as Ina'al'ena
@Mythos as The Lieutenant
@Fantasy Liver as Kyp
@Xan as Magnus Thel'riss
@Volene as Merian Sere

It seems appropriate to move the conversation from private chat to the public domain, so to speak.

 

[Darasuum]

Dang Xan you beat me to it. Thanks for posting up the thread. I'll just comment what I was going to add to my original post here.

Hello and welcome to the story OOC. It looks like the Hutt side has their work cut out for them. I've linked below some useful stuff including the map. Let me know if the colors are hard to see and if the positions don't work.

Spoiler: Links

IC thread: Here
Map reference: Here
PvP guide quick reference: Here

As a reminder the first defensive response occurred 96+ hours after the initial posting giving the Hutt side a significant advantage. It has since been 1 week since the first post took place and a few more imperial forces have trickled in. Now there are 4 imperial defenders against 2 Hutt attackers. I relish a fun challenge and hope we can all make the most out of the story opportunities this type of In Character (IC) conflict can bring. No matter the outcome I look forward to also what happens afterwards.

This is a Player vs Player thread so excessive use of NPCs to target PCs is not in the spirit of this thread. At the end of the day it will come down to player characters facing off against one another in combat. Also, just because this is death enabled does not mean your character will die if they lose. It is simply to prevent people from making decisions that they would not otherwise make. Your characters do not know when a "safety" is on or pretend that they have plot armor.

Let's have fun! May the Force be with you!

Spoiler: Roster

Hutts
@Darasuum as @Dar'baal
@Fantasy Liver as @Kyp

Imperials

@Interdictor as @Ina'al'ena
@Mythos as @The Lieutenant
@Xan as @Magnus Thel'riss
@Volene as @Merian Sere

 

[Mythos]

Just tell me what you want out of me to make this fun. And let's thank the gods that Gemini isn't Imperial.

 

[Xan]

Writing this here for sake of transparency, but would it be sensible to just have The Lieutenant be 3km away instead of 30? Jokes aside, that seems to have been the original intention of the post, given that it mentions Disparaged already engaging the enemy in the city itself. Or to be more clear, to let Mythos edit the post to say 3km rather than 30km and continue on from there.

 

[Darasuum]

I’m fine with that. I think the 5S probably would not have been spread out that far anyways.

 

[Mythos]

Thanks. To save from a late stage edit, I'll just move forward under the assumption that everyone is okay with the 3KM proximity. @Darasuum @Xan @Fantasy Liver @Interdictor @Volene

 

[Darasuum]

@Volene It's been established that Merian is 1 kilometer away. That's 1000 meters. I'm fine with you committing to running that entire distance but a lot can happen in that time and it will be through enemies to get within 12 meters of Dar'baal. Otherwise you're essentially teleporting and ignoring the span between them. I suggest either editing to have your entire post be focused on making up that distance or trying to think up an attack that can reach that distance. Either way you should not just be popping up behind them like it's nothing.

 

[Volene]

@Darasuum I’m not going to edit, I’ve already done my entrance post last time which didn’t involve an attack and had transports drop the IK close to the fighting from knight HQ. I’m not sure where you got one kilometre from but it wasn’t anywhere in my post, the wording was “as close to the fighting as it could safely get” and they joined the fight by engaging NPCs since I couldn’t make an attack on a PC right away.

I also took it into account this round where most of the post is closing distance and fighting NPCs still, with only a single Force push for an attack at the end. I think that’s plenty reasonable. I don’t see why I’d have to spend two full rounds before even joining the PvP and making a single attack.

 

[Interdictor]

@Darasuum I don't think I timed out. IIRC the normal posting period is 48 hours, which (from what I'm seeing) has not yet passed. In fact, only 16 or so hours seem to have passed. I'm assuming I should just post after you now?

 

[Darasuum]

@Darasuum I don't think I timed out. IIRC the normal posting period is 48 hours, which (from what I'm seeing) has not yet passed. I'm assuming I should just post after you now?

The posting window is in team blocks now. Fantasy Liver (Kyp) was the last to post on the Hutt side on Friday giving the Imperials the weekend to post a reply. The ending of that window with the weekend extension was Monday at 7 pm EST.

It would be best to wait until the next round of posting before you post a reply IC.

 

[Interdictor]

@Darasuum Ah. I guess that most of the post would be just moving toward the fight anyways.

 

[Darasuum]

@Darasuum Ah. I guess that most of the post would be just moving toward the fight anyways.

Yeah. I'd say next round you will have to deal with the penalty of timing out by just continuing to cross the distance remaining. The silver lining is nobody made an attack against your character so at least you won't be suffering from an auto-hit. However if it happens again your character won't be allowed to remain in the thread. This is applies to everyone on all sides. Repeated time outs are frowned upon but this is also the first time you've joined a big team battle like this so the confusion is understandable. I hope that clears things up.

 

[Darasuum]

Also, if you have serious IRL things that come up and need to ask for an extension on the 48 hour time limit feel free to ask. We're all pretty understanding so don't be afraid to ask for some extra time if you need it. But please don't abuse it either. ;-)

 

[Darasuum]

@Volene your sequence of events is off. Can you please edit so that it follows the correct order of events?

Merian is still running the 1 kilometer to reach the Capitol Building when Dar'baal is shooting at Magnus. Kyp's wrist rocket is right after Dar'baal's attack on Magnus.

THEN after some time Merian arrives "behind" Dar'baal and is attacked with a series of blaster cannon shots from Dar'baal. There is just flat out no way for you to intervene with the wrist rocket unless you are once again, trying to teleport across the battlefield or use the Force at a huge distance.

 

[Mr. Teatime]

This reply is admin involvement.

@Darasuum You cannot assign a distance to another party when their initial distance is vague without prior agreement, and especially if they disagree. Insisting on the disagreed distance being honored isn't the way to go.

@Volene If an opponent posts something you disagree with, it is best practice to bring it up (in the relevant OOC thread or Discord channel) on the spot rather than in your post. Please do so going forward.

@Mythos Valor's gear (bio) is invalid for PvP use as they're links to the Star Wars fandom wiki instead of tech articles, and I can't find any links or references to SWRP armor or weapons in his opening post. Y'all can discuss how to handle that. Affected gear: Armored space suit, Imperial Heavy Repeater, T-28 Sniper Rifle.

Ruling: The 1-kilometer starting distance is invalid; per Volene's post, Merian arrived "-as close as it could safely get to the fighting," and Volene has repeatedly disagreed with being 1 kilometer away.

Valor/The Lieutenant's gear needs to be PvP-valid tech. Suggest standard Imperial gear wherever possible.

 

[Mythos]

I will have the appropriate tech write ups submitted tomorrow. I was under the assumption that Wookieepedia was a valid source. My mistake.

 

[Darasuum]

@Mythos Since this is the first time you've dealt with this sort of thing I'll help you out. I probably won't make a habit of this. In the past people have just lost their gear because of this type of thing and had it be no more than dead weight for the rest of the thread at best and at worst it literally blows up in their face when they try to use it. So if you want to continue the thread with only your vibro knucklers that is absolutely fine. I'd assume they work similar to kyuzo petar for the most part.

• For armor a reskin of the space trooper armor can probably work. There may be better armor writeups though that fit more terrestrial combat.
• Sniper rifle could be reskinned to be DLT-20a for medium damage or the E-11s sniper rifle for heavy damage.
• Repeaters generally are not allowed in PvP which is usually mentioned in the "restrictions" section of their writeups. That being said you can say you used it against NPCs and maybe it ran out of ammo at some point. The Javelin light repeater is an ok one for that type of thing.

All that in mind if none of the existing writeups fit what you're looking for then making an original writeup is the best course of action in my opinion.

 

[Volene]

@Fantasy Liver I would like to raise an issue with what I feel is an inadequate defense to Merian’s attack in your latest post.

Kyp didn't have long to celebrate the rocket making purchase on his target because a number of things happened at once. The first was that an Imperial Knight decided that his hovercart was currently the best spot for her to be right now. The second thing was that the Houk piloting the hovercart, quite reasonably, freaked out at this and slammed hard on the brakes. This caused Merian, Kyp, and a couple of the crates to topple violently with the sudden momentum shift. A crate knocking into Merian and Kyp's own lurching, made her hit at Kyp's torso actually end up slicing off the Lepi's left arm at the elbow instead.

So my understanding, and correct me if I’m wrong, is that Kyp himself doesn’t put up any defense against the attack. Instead, it comes from an outside source, with the hovercart pilot "slamming hard on the brakes" to act like an interrupt, toppling Merian and making her miss.

My issue is that, in order to have that effect, the cart would need to be going at a decent speed. My reading of the situation based on your own previous posts is that the cart isn’t moving at all when this happens.

Two posts ago, Kyp used the hovercart to reach the Capitol, parked it near Dar’baal’s position, and started shooting. The relevant section is here (emphasis mine):

As the hovercart down the street, it took up position near Kyp's Hutt boss and parked about fifteen meters to Dar'baal's left. Also clocking in the Imperial Knight as the primary threat, Kyp took aim and fired at Magnus' torso.

Kyp then starts shooting and there is no mention that the cart moves again after being parked. Kyp’s next post, and his final one before Merian’s attack, is quoted here in full:

Kyp swore as his target managed to deflect his blaster shot just in time. Well, if blasters wouldn't win the day, it was time to improvise. Waiting for Dar'baal's third shot before shooting, Kyp aimed his wrist at Magnus and fired the mounted rocket built into his armor. The wrist rocket flew forward and would impact a couple of meters directly in front of Magnus. The Imperial would either be forced to retreat backwards or risk dealing with the shrapnel of the rocket.

There is no mention there either that the hovercart is again put in motion after it was parked the previous post. Which makes sense, since Kyp is using it to shoot and it would be a lot harder to be accurate if it was flying around. But, to me, it’s clear that the cart is immobile when Merian leaps to it for her attack. Since it’s immobile, the pilot slamming hard on the brakes wouldn’t do much, if anything. Certainly not enough to topple Merian and interrupt her attack. Combined with your own choice not to have Kyp put up any defense of his own, I think Merian’s attack should proceed as initially written.

 

[Fantasy Liver]

Ooh yeah good callout. You cool if I make a quick edit this weekend before Monday?

 

[Fantasy Liver]

@Volene