US has population of 300,000,000

[Cailst]

How exactly is it getting weaker?

 

[Darman]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Sen Helto @ Oct 17 2006, 08:37 PM) [snapback]123000[/snapback]</div>

I live in Canada. Canada is probably 7% populated, given that we have 4 people/square km. You guys have like 200.
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I wouldn't be suprised...lol.

 

[Cailst]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Sen Helto @ Oct 17 2006, 08:37 PM) [snapback]123000[/snapback]</div>

Nazi's aren't a species.

I live in Canada. Canada is probably 7% populated, given that we have 4 people/square km. You guys have like 200.
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Yes but we still have vast stretches of land with no people living in them. We may have New York but it and the other big cities are what makes the U.S. so populated. It's sort of like the Nile river and Egypt's population density.

 

[Empress]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Noncommunist @ Oct 17 2006, 05:38 PM) [snapback]123001[/snapback]</div>

How exactly is it getting weaker?
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medical world mostly


you get more and more generations of children born who take on countless genetic disorders, from thyroide problems falty cirulatory or mental contitions some physical ones bla bla bla, things that are " tamed" by medication those people are dependant on for life...

well then they breed, and pass on that problem to their child, who also gets anything from the other parents side, again, now becomes more reliant on medications of medical help to thrive

and its now starting to show up as being alittle more common, and give it a few hundred years at this rate perhaps less there are gonna be so many things to help this you have a majority of the species who could not survive without these things

now this is more a question of should we tamper with nature..because throughout our whole exsistance as a species half these things would kill them, however the mortality rate is higher but the general health of the population was better over all

and also desiuse may have been more fatal then, but they did not have nearly as many illnesses, or mutated infections,m and disorders as we have now

which is a natural fact of overpopulation, uncontrolled ( natural control, not man made) breeding control ( think about a virus outbreak in a elk population and how it goes like wildfire unless there are more wolves or hunting of said herd)

humans are still animals, and still subject to the throws of nature, and though I don't mind medical in some areas, but also I think you really need to make a line of where you should interfear with the natural law and not

 

[Cailst]

Even though they do pass on the traits down through the generations, it may not be entirely bad. First of all, it keeps genetic variety. Though it may be fatal in most cases, it may be something that saves you in certain circumstances. For example, sickle cell amemia is a bad genetic malfunction, however, in warm climates with malaria, it is something resists the disease. We don't know all the secret advantages of every health problem yet but by eliminating it, we risk losing a potentially useful gene that could save humanity in certain circumstances.

Also, it's just plain mean to just let the folks die of those diseases with the only consolation being that the species may benefit which might not even be true.

 

[Empress]

Im simply stating is it actually right to question natural selection, or will it eventually bite us in the ass

 

[Cailst]

I don't see why not. All that it really consists of is who ever have the most kids gets to have more of the population resemble them. We question the wisdom of natural selection when we outlaw polygamy because if we did have it, we would certainly have more people that we better at seducing women and thus better at having more children.

 

[Empress]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Noncommunist @ Oct 17 2006, 06:18 PM) [snapback]123032[/snapback]</div>

I don't see why not. All that it really consists of is who ever have the most kids gets to have more of the population resemble them. We question the wisdom of natural selection when we outlaw polygamy because if we did have it, we would certainly have more people that we better at seducing women and thus better at having more children.
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yes but also more people would die of other natual things to and keeping a better balance

 

[Who Wrecks?]

I care...i mean...thats half way to 600 mil right? Thats our goal!

 

[Cailst]

still, the fastest growing countries have life expectancy that is a lot shorter that here or Europe. What they don't have is birth control. Unlike turtles, we take care of our young meaning survival till reproduction is far less important since mostly everyone lives to it anyway. For humans, the process of sex is more important since not everyone does it.

For turtles, if your offspring are more numerous, it's because you survived to reproduce where your other brothers and sisters didn't. For humans, your offspring are more numerous because Kenny came out of the closet or Julie decided to join a convent where you decided to get married and have children.

 

[Dexington]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(General Fey @ Oct 17 2006, 09:34 PM) [snapback]123041[/snapback]</div>

I care...i mean...thats half way to 600 mil right? Thats our goal!
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<_<

 

[Cailst]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(General Fey @ Oct 17 2006, 09:34 PM) [snapback]123041[/snapback]</div>

I care...i mean...thats half way to 600 mil right? Thats our goal!
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Why not, it will benefit the economy because there will be more people to produce goods and more to consume them. New jobs would be created as they grew older like a job in Diaper manufacturing, then child care, then books on how to care for adolescents, then car insurance, then lots of marriages, then the cycle continues and once it has begun again for the next generation, the older one has jobs made for it such as elderly care services, retirement services. For the immigrants, they get people to teach them how to be Americans and teach them English. Population growth is a great thing for America. :)

 

[Matt]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(The Matron @ Oct 18 2006, 02:03 AM) [snapback]123023[/snapback]</div>

Im simply stating is it actually right to question natural selection, or will it eventually bite us in the ass
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Well try to think about human nature before blurting out adolf 101

 

[Kalin Morne]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Absolution @ Oct 18 2006, 08:59 AM) [snapback]123124[/snapback]</div>

Well try to think about human nature before blurting out adolf 101
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Well. She's not wrong.

 

[Matt]

I never said she was.

But I don't think it is right or just to say that humans should be more selective of who they mate with so that we can get rid of people with diseases.

Yes it might be a good thing from an objective view but some of the greatest human beings ever had disabilities.

and I think eveyrone here knows someone who was touched by cancer or another diease...Would you like them to of mated better?...They wouldn't be the person they are but atleast they wouldn't be all diseased up hey.

Basically in short...Don't say that around me if you don't want me to bite your head off.

 

[Kalin Morne]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Absolution @ Oct 18 2006, 10:04 AM) [snapback]123128[/snapback]</div>

I never said she was.

But I don't think it is right or just to say that humans should be more selective of who they mate with so that we can get rid of people with diseases.

Yes it might be a good thing from an objective view but some of the greatest human beings ever had disabilities.

and I think eveyrone here knows someone who was touched by cancer or another diease...Would you like them to of mated better?...They wouldn't be the person they are but atleast they wouldn't be all diseased up hey.

Basically in short...Don't say that around me if you don't want me to bite your head off.
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You're not wrong either, the concept of Natural Selection has deviated from "Survival of the Fittest" to "Survival of the most Co-operative". All of the most successful species help eachother. It's because of the concepts you outlay that we dominate the planet.

 

[Matt]

Indeed.

But..Allow my cheeseiness but if you fall in love with a women or man....Would you honestly go...Oh no I don't want to marry you as your grandfather died of cancer....and our kids might have it.

You can't control human nature...So I think wiping out diseases rather then wiping out africa to stem aids will help.

 

[Adamis]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Absolution @ Oct 19 2006, 03:33 AM) [snapback]123135[/snapback]</div>

Indeed.

But..Allow my cheeseiness but if you fall in love with a women or man....Would you honestly go...Oh no I don't want to marry you as your grandfather died of cancer....and our kids might have it.

You can't control human nature...So I think wiping out diseases rather then wiping out africa to stem aids will help.
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Thats not what Adena's saying dude. What shes saying is that with medical tech being so good these days (well better than in the past anyway) people who would have in the past died because of some genetic disease don't die. They survive. Now this is generally viewed as a good thing, and it is for that person and their family but in the grand scheme of things we are seriously fu<king over our gene-pool with people with "weak" or "defective" genes surviving to maturity and having kids and thereby making those "weak" or "defective" genes higher in proportion in the general population. So generally speaking the population is "weaker" or more "defective" because that person and their offspring were allowed to survive. Sure its a small amount over all but when you think that their are millions of people saved like that evey year it starts to add up.

 

[Matt]

I genuinely ask anyone and everyone here if they think that people should be killed or whatever there obviously well thought out arguement...Not allowed to breed to allow the gene pool to be stronger...Maybe I'm the only one who thinks it is wrong for the nazi club of swrp to talk about selective breeding and such.

I'd also liek to add that adena has said about 5 times that wiping out 1/3 of the planet's population will do it good.

 

[Dexington]

Adena and Adamis are both on crack. Worst idea ever.