United States Presidential Election, 2016

[Kaane]

It was convened by him. You don't think he had a hand in the making of the religion that was to become the core constituency of his Empire?

The Book of Revelation is essentially a propaganda piece against Emperor Nero of Rome, btw. True Christianity definitely has an insurgent's spirit.

 

[Jabonicus]

Emperor Constantine actually didn't run it. And most people today have rebellious spirits whatever religion, it's only really bad because they don't restrict themselves. Also the idea one must overthrow their oppressors to be one with God is not actually Catholic teaching unless it's about morality.

By what obligation am I forced to bend knee to a being who brought me into a world, infested me with numerous mental issues, and left me to suffer unhappily, contemplating suicide for a majority of my life? Why should I bow to his word?

 

[Arian Korzak]

Most arguments with religious fanatics are pointless.

Once again you misused the word fanatic. It's in the dictionary, just check.

 

[Logan]

Once again you misused the word fanatic. It's in the dictionary, just check.

I would respond but I'd probably get banned.

Have a nice day, zealot.

 

[Arian Korzak]

It was convened by him. You don't think he had a hand in the making of the religion that was to become the core constituency of his Empire?

The Book of Revelation is essentially a propaganda piece against Emperor Nero of Rome, btw. True Christianity definitely has an insurgent's spirit.

Having a hand doesn't mean control. It is not an insurgent spirit, just because you point out faults in government doesn''t mean you have an insurgent spirit.

 

[Jabonicus]

Another claim I said or implied something I didn't. They are not lesser than human, if they were than they could not sin, in which case I wouldn't care if they had gay marriage as long as they didn't go extinct. Also the "Right to marry just like you" is not gay marriage.

By claiming we should follow the Bible's word, I should be stoned to death for my sexuality. Why should you have right to marry, and not I?

 

[Arian Korzak]

I would respond but I'd probably get banned.

Have a nice day, zealot.

Zealot is also misused there.

Ok, may God help you. Have a nice day!

 

[Arian Korzak]

By claiming we should follow the Bible's word, I should be stoned to death for my sexuality. Why should you have right to marry, and not I?

Gay marriage is a union of physical form and national law alone, it is not marriage.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

It only takes one madman to plunge the entire world into an apocalypse. And I have more faith in one madman taking power than a continued peace.

Mad men still have to hold onto their power, hence MAD.

 

[Jabonicus]

Gay marriage is a union of physical form and national law alone, it is not marriage.

By what power gives you the right to declare what is and isn't marriage? If it is by God, then you declare yourselves above us for belief alone.

 

[Outlander]

Mad men still have to hold onto their power, hence MAD.

Mad men are, by definition, mad. I'd bet on a crazy person acting crazy.

 

[Arian Korzak]

By what power gives you the right to declare what is and isn't marriage? If it is by God, then you declare yourselves above us for belief alone.

I never claimed to be above you. And I am merely a messenger or worker, I did not make the decision, God did, you didn't make it either.

 

[Jabonicus]

I never claimed to be above you. And I am merely a messenger or worker, I did not make the decision, God did, you didn't make it either.

And what makes gods word above ours? If he made us to be free, then free we must remain, regardless of what he wishes.

 

[Arian Korzak]

And what makes gods word above ours? If he made us to be free, then free we must remain, regardless of what he wishes.

Well I'll be honest, no one I've met has ever asked what makes God's word greater than ours. Let's see, he created us, he created morality, he created everything good that exists, I'm pretty sure that's why. You are free, but so is a murderer or a thief, they are just as free as you.

 

[Kaane]

Let me put this another way, in a way i would normally not put it but that you might see what i mean. You would say that America is by and large a Christian nation, yes?

What might be considered to be our forefathers in an extremely simplistic sense, the British, had a national sect of Christianity that came from rebelling against the Pope (only because Henry the 8th was a whiny jerk, but let's forget that for a sec). America was colonized by different sects of Christians rebelling against their masters to find religious freedom, for better or for worse (let's face it, usually for worse). I'm talking Heugenots, Puritans, Quakers, Calvinists, the whole bloody lot that wanted to fight for a different interpretation of the Bible packed their bags and came here to have it. And America's initial birth was hard-won by their British overlords at the time, and they fought for it again in the War of 1812. The freedom to practice their own religion was an integral part of their fight for freedom.

Go to any Pentecostal church and they'll tell you that the Holy Spirit of God is a fire that cannot be quenched, just as this simplified history of America shows. Christianity's raw energy is something that cannot be contained unless the religion itself is changed, which is what happened to Catholocism, and other established sects of christianity once religious freedom is won.

 

[Outlander]

Well I'll be honest, no one I've met has ever asked what makes God's word greater than ours. Let's see, he created us, he created morality, he created everything good that exists, I'm pretty sure that's why. You are free, but so is a murderer or a thief, they are just as free as you.

By your religion, he also created free will. So doesn't that mean people have the free will to listen to him or not? Given that, his voice would be no more or no less than any voice, as everyone has the choice to listen or not to listen to everyone else.

 

[Jabonicus]

Well I'll be honest, no one I've met has ever asked what makes God's word greater than ours. Let's see, he created us, he created morality, he created everything good that exists, I'm pretty sure that's why. You are free, but so is a murderer or a thief, they are just as free as you.

God also made all that is evil in existence. Why must we be bound by his word, instead of our own? God may have created me, but I never asked for that. If I was given a choice, I would have and chosen oblivion. After all, I didn't exist for billions of years and it hasn't inconvenienced me yet.

 

[Arian Korzak]

Let me put this another way, in a way i would normally not put it but that you might see what i mean. You would say that America is by and large a Christian nation, yes?

What might be considered to be our forefathers in an extremely simplistic sense, the British, had a national sect of Christianity that came from rebelling against the Pope (only because Henry the 8th was a whiny jerk, but let's forget that for a sec). America was colonized by different sects of Christians rebelling against their masters to find religious freedom, for better or for worse (let's face it, usually for worse). I'm talking Heugenots, Puritans, Quakers, Calvinists, the whole bloody lot that wanted to fight for a different interpretation of the Bible packed their bags and came here to have it. And America's initial birth was hard-won by their British overlords at the time, and they fought for it again in the War of 1812. The freedom to practice their own religion was an integral part of their fight for freedom.

Go to any Pentecostal church and they'll tell you that the Holy Spirit of God is a fire that cannot be quenched, just as this simplified history of America shows. Christianity's raw energy is something that cannot be contained unless the religion itself is changed, which is what happened to Catholocism, and other established sects of christianity once religious freedom is won.

Actually it was first american indians which had their own different religions, there were some people who came in which were christians, but the nation itself was made by Masons not christians. America isn't a christian based nation.

 

[Arian Korzak]

By your religion, he also created free will. So doesn't that mean people have the free will to listen to him or not? Given that, his voice would be no more or no less than any voice, as everyone has the choice to listen or not to listen to everyone else.

Except then by that logic someone could beat the snot out of people and it's fine because he has free will. But that's not how it works, we are meant to be good and be closer to God. They have the choice, yes, but that doesn't mean whatever they choose is right.

 

[Kaane]

Masons hold a core belief in monotheism and an all-powerful god. It's essentially christianity but they don't call it that for the purposes of being nice