The Initiative

[Gaja]

Hurricane Matt: I'm going to reopen this to discuss the Initiative instead of creating an entire new thread.

Old thread topic: Umbra.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

I'll re-post what I said in public, just so it's here too.

Instead of a sub-faction, why not make it an independent faction that becomes allied with the Hutt Cartel? Although the Cartel is doing pretty well so far, it’s too early to tell whether or not it’s successful enough for a sub-faction. This is a different kind of faction – as Gaja said, militarization is very much de-emphasized here – so its core elements need to prove that they are a success before you start adding onto it.

Let’s use the fourth timeline’s Hutt Empire faction as an example. That faction was pretty much run off of the leadership, its Dark Jedi sub-faction, and its Taung (proto-Mandalorian) sub-faction. The core part of the faction, the military, was never particularly successful. Without the Dark Jedi or the Taung, it probably wouldn’t have been a very active faction. Although the faction did pretty well for itself, it had no clear identity.

Another example, one that I think is probably more apt, is the Chiss Ascendancy in this timeline. The core of that faction, the military, was never successful. The faction tried sub-factions like CAIN and the Immortals, but nothing ever really stuck. It lacked a clear identity. Now it's been demoted to an indie faction.

So here’s what I would say: focus on making the core Cartel ranks really successful first. You may have a good roster, but that roster has yet to be tested in any major stories or events. Right now you have the appearance of success, without any clear indication as to whether success has truly yet been earned. I mean, there’s nothing stopping anyone from having a mercenary character in those ranks anyway.

A mercenary group could be a great independent ally for the Cartel, though. It’s a better idea than a sub-faction right now, because a mercenary sub-faction would create questions like: why not an espionage sub-faction? Or a smuggler sub-faction? Or a bounty hunter sub-faction? Suddenly you find yourself overwhelmed with these types of groups, and the core of the faction has been lost.

Hopefully these past experiences are helpful to you.

 

[Cassanova]

Is this an Indie Faction? Or a Hutt Cartel Sub-Faction?
It reads like it would be best suited as an Indie Faction utilised by the Cartel, rather than something within it.
Its far too "militant" to be a part of the Cartel itself, i think.

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EDIT: DAMN YOU NINJA-BAC.

 

[Just Matt Now]

I say that it be put out there as an Indie faction interest check. See if we can even get it started to be able to hold Indie Faction standards before we even think of it becoming an actual sub-faction. Saul has already made t clear that he wants to run it in tandem, or within, the Cartel. So if it does get off the ground, I'm sure he would want the Cartel to take it in.

Though like I said, we should see how it does as an Indie Faction first and foremost.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

If he's willing to run it regardless of whether it's indie or part of the Cartel, then I'd say you suggest he make it an indie and see if anyone joins (once it has a clear definition, outside of the Cartel). That way, it can also be an ally of the Cartel, since the Cartel should be trying to ally with indies like that (assuming that those indies are not economic competitors).

 

[Gaja]

EVERYONE READ THIS!!!!

No need for the thread, I posted it before I saw Bac's post in the feedback thread. So I'll be closing it down to avoid further confusion on anyone's part.

Saul will be making an indie faction, and that's all that matters. Sorry again.

 

[Just Matt Now]

The Initiative

So the Initiative will be an Indie Faction that supports, and is supported by, the Hutt Cartel. Currently they are having issues getting interest, I know there are those who said they will create a character, though who knows if that will happen.

PM I sent Gaja:

Perhaps we can have Guy move over to the Initiative on the Cartel's behalf. IC explanation: We want to protect our investment in the Initiative by sending an operative to perform any duties necessary for their cause. Blah blah blah

Just until they can enough people to start up at least.

 

[Just Matt Now]

Or instead of changing his status with the Cartel, we can get admin permission to let Guy be on both rosters. We can't really afford to lose another Enforcer.

 

[Gaja]

Yeah I don't think that's going to be a problem really. I'm making another character for them as we speak, so with Guy there that will give the Initiative the 3 members it needs to get started. There's interest in it actually just not enough new characters.

But yeah I think having Guy work for them, and be on both teams is a good move. Which admin should we contact about it though? Lavi?

 

[Just Matt Now]

I would assume it would be LAvi, yes. I will send him a PM now.

 

[Gaja]

You do that Farting Gengar. : D