The First Sith: The Force And Rank Levels

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The Force and Rank Levels
In our last announcement, we introduced more information on on experience points and levels. This announcement is focused around how the character ranks and levels translate to power in the Force.

Level 1: "Knight" level characters, the most common group of people seen within the orders of Force users, are capable of harnessing the Force with effectiveness for combat purposes. Although they must be careful not to wear themselves out or lose their concentration lest they find themselves vulnerable to attack and too weary to keep going. Extended explanations of the expectations of knight-level Force-users can be found here.

Level 2: Considered masters within their respective sect of the Force, such masters have the means to understand and manipulate the Force at a deeper level than knight level characters. Through extensive practice, they have increased their attunement, which allows them to tap into the Force with greater duration. Maintaining powerful Force manifestations for a longer period of time or tapping into the Force more often does not drain such a master as quickly as it would a knight.

Level 3: Among the most powerful Force users in the galaxy, these individuals are most often found on the leading councils of their orders. Their mastery of the Force is matched by few, which can be seen in the way that they fight. Their ability to maintain concentration in even chaotic situations makes them a force to be reckoned with on the battlefield. With the ability to produce intricate manifestations of the Force while simultaneously engaging with their opponent using saber or other weapon, they are often capable of engaging more than one opponent at a time and holding their own. Such focus also allows them to execute more powerful maneuvers that a knight would usually be too easily distracted to even consider attempting, though doing so can still pose risk to the councilor.

Level 4: Rarely seen anywhere in the galaxy, these individuals often head the most powerful sects of Force-users in the galaxy. Without a doubt the most knowledgable masters of their orders, there are few who can claim such an understanding of the Force as these. Their attunement in the Force allows them to use the Force in two different ways at once or maintain concentration on a single powerful use of the Force even while protecting themselves from attack. Easily the most dangerous and powerful individuals in the galaxy, these warriors are typically capable of engaging with at least two of their knight counterparts at once. Although wit and cunning can fell them, they are not to be trifled with or taken lightly.

Essentially, knights maintain the power they currently have in the current timeline, and the skill gap between individual ranks isn't too extreme. So a Level 1 could take on a Level 2 if the Level 1 is a more skilled PvPer without too much difficulty. Likewise, a Level 2 could take on a Level 3, but a Level 1 would have a hard time taking on a Level 3 without either backup or considerable PvP knowledge. A Level 1 against Level 4 would have very little chance without help, even with considerable skill.

Salient points of leveling perks:
  • Level 1 Force-users have the same power they currently have in the current timeline
  • Level 2 has increased stamina compared to knights
  • Level 3 has increased stamina and concentration
  • Level 4 has greatly increased stamina and the ability to use two different Force powers at once
What if a Force user is a certain level, but does not have that rank?
The power/strength is determined by levels alone. This means that even if someone is a Level 3 but does not hold the rank of a councilor, they will still be as powerful as one. The same holds true for all other ranks, including Level 4. Even if a Force user is not the Grand Master or Warlord, they will be just as powerful if they are Level 4. This opens up opportunities for authorities to be challenged should the plot lead in that direction.

How will levels/ranks affect non-Force using characters?
Because there are so many variables and complexities with non Force user characters, we'll be doing a separate announcement to detail what each level and/or rank translates to. Please refrain from asking further questions about this as we won't have an answer yet.

As a reminder - please keep all questions related to this announcement, such as clarification on anything mentioned here. In some of the other announcements, we're seeing a lot of tangents and derailments occurring and we would like to keep things on topic. Please thoroughly read the responses others have made before asking a question, to see if your question has already been answered. Thanks!
 

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I always like systems that incentivize people to stick it out with characters longer term, in a way that's not immersion breaking, and I think this manages to do just that. I dig it.

Now, more importantly:

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neato burrito.
 

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This is bordering on spam. If you just want to show your approval but don't have anything further to add beyond that, you can simply like Sreeya's post.
 

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Will there be a separate post on levels for non-force users? Or will those be similar to these, but with things such as influence and wealth instead of Force power?
 

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Will there be a separate post on levels for non-force users? Or will those be similar to these, but with things such as influence and wealth instead of Force power?

How will levels/ranks affect non-Force using characters?
Because there are so many variables and complexities with non Force user characters, we'll be doing a separate announcement to detail what each level and/or rank translates to. Please refrain from asking further questions about this as we won't have an answer yet.
 

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Thanks. Missed that part, sorry for asking.
 

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So I do have a question that hopefully pertains to this post. I know it explicitly says these ranks pertain to force knowledge and power, but what about weapon or blade master style force users? Would ranking up also mean your character becomes better at whatever choosen saber or weapon form they have choosen to use?
 

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Will there be power level guidelines for non-combat use?
For example I'm assuming that a master is probably capable of lifting more with the force than a knight could (in most cases), or could do so under greater pressure, but without a idea of how much powerful a knight is in story situations and how much more powerful each tier is supposed to be I can see interpretations varying dramatically (just like they do in most of the canon source material, yay for limited consistency with the depictions of space magic). Which isn't necessarily a problem I just forsee potential awkwardness or arguments about what a given level can or cannot reasonably achieve, especially if we will describe a character's force ability with levels of expertise in particular schools of force use (often out of 10) like some do in the current timeline.
I guess I'm asking if we're still writing force ability on our character sheets on a scale at all, would we be likely to see the equivalent of level caps?
 

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If you don't want to use it in combat then how does the strength of force powers even matter? Just be sensible about it and don't try to go overboard. Easy rule of thumb, if you think some force stunt might be stupid and/or OP then it most definitely is. As long as you're not making a knight juggle tanks then you should be good in non-combat situations.
 

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So I do have a question that hopefully pertains to this post. I know it explicitly says these ranks pertain to force knowledge and power, but what about weapon or blade master style force users? Would ranking up also mean your character becomes better at whatever choosen saber or weapon form they have choosen to use?
No, saber combat will still be dictated by the ability of the member to write their posts

Will there be power level guidelines for non-combat use?
For example I'm assuming that a master is probably capable of lifting more with the force than a knight could (in most cases), or could do so under greater pressure, but without a idea of how much powerful a knight is in story situations and how much more powerful each tier is supposed to be I can see interpretations varying dramatically (just like they do in most of the canon source material, yay for limited consistency with the depictions of space magic). Which isn't necessarily a problem I just forsee potential awkwardness or arguments about what a given level can or cannot reasonably achieve, especially if we will describe a character's force ability with levels of expertise in particular schools of force use (often out of 10) like some do in the current timeline.
I guess I'm asking if we're still writing force ability on our character sheets on a scale at all, would we be likely to see the equivalent of level caps?

In general, I wouldn't recommend listing Force abilities on a character sheet on a numbered scale, but that may just be a side note.

To answer your question, no there won't be guidelines out for how the Force is handled at a story level. TBH a lot of how the Force is used in story is common sense. Don't be pulling Star Destroyers out of orbit, etc. but it's a little bit more liberal than in PvP.
 

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I like it a lot, I think it makes force powers a nice viable option at the later levels of PvP - It adds insentive and that added bit of comfort knowing you have a competitive edge vs an opponent.

I'm interested to see how a level 4 non-force user matches up with a level 4 force user in the later announcements!

Another terrific bit of work from our admins <3
 

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IMHO the difference between level 3 and 4 is probably a bit too big - being able to use multiple powers at the same time alone is a major power increase, you don't need to add extra stamina on top of that.

That's my only two cents really.
 

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It's intentionally meant to be a difference. Level 4 is essentially the "Faction Leader" level rank. Think Grand Masters and Dark Lords of the Sith. Not everyone at Level 4 would have those ranks obviously (and it could very well be the case that no one at that level would have those ranks, at least in the beginning), but that's the power level it represents.
 

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I'm probably jumping the gun here, so if I am, feel free to just say 'No Norbs, back in your bin' however -

There's a large number of players who do not play force users. Could we get some more information on how the levels will work for non force users and indies please?
 
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