The First Sith: Experience Points and Character Levels

[Arcangel]

Just for clarification, credits are earned per post, correct? Or do threads have to be completed and then evaluated first before credits are awarded?

Per post. The credits earned per word are automated and will automatically accrue, but threads will need to be submitted for bonus credits.

 

[Raif]

Per post. The credits earned per word are automated and will automatically accrue, but threads will need to be submitted for bonus credits.

Have I said already that I really like this new plan?

Cuz I really like this new plan.

 

[Stratus]

Out of curiosity, what would happen if you wrote less than 100 words in a single post? Would it mean you get no credits for that post?

 

[Versok]

Out of curiosity, what would happen if you wrote less than 100 words in a single post? Would it mean you get no credits for that post?

I think words will count as a whole, so if you create a 80 word post and a 20 word post, you earn a credit, could be wrong anyways

 

[Panda Hermit 98]

With the new rules regarding not spamming or grinding to get posts in, what does that mean for solo stories. I understand that this is a cooperative roleplay, but at the same time the odd solo outing here and there could greatly benefit the story of a single character or just be great fun to read, ya know?

:)

 

[Stratus]

Per post. The credits earned per word are automated and will automatically accrue, but threads will need to be submitted for bonus credits.

@Versok

 

[The Good Doctor]

So, I have a question. Would a starting Exile (whatever the name of the rank would be, or another starting dark side character) start off knowing Force Lightning? An advanced dark side power?

Not sure if answered already?

 

[1new6]

Over the last few weeks I think the idea of dissolving the Padawan rank has kind of grown on me, that said I do have a quick clarification I wanted to ask.
I assume the Jedi Masters/Council Members/Whoever is in control of the Jedi at this point, aren't exactly coming out and telling new trainees that their education is being cut short? I mean I feel like saying “Yeah we're just throwing out most of your training so you can go and fight and die as cannon fodder. Here's a lightsaber, try not to stab yourself!” would be a pretty quick way to loose the rest of said new recruits to mutiny (especially considering they lack any of the training and thus discipline and commitment to the order of real Jedi knights). So how many people know about this semi charade? I would assume most Jedi who have been with the order for the majority of their lives would know what was going on, even those who have only just finished their training. I mean it would be a pretty difficult thing to cover up from people who knew the way things are supposed to go. But when it comes to new initiates? Initiates who have probably never even heard of the Jedi except from legends? Yeah I could see how they might not understand that even after being “knighted” they have no where near the experience required to be a true knight.
So how is the order keeping everything together? Is it just an unspoken rule that no one mentions that “Oh, by the way, you guys aren’t really jedi knights, you're essentially just here to soak up a few bullets.”, or are the council themselves kind of upholding the illusion (even if unofficially)? Are there some knights and Masters against this, seeing as it is essentially using child soldiers in all but name?
I’m just throwing ideas out at this point, but I feel like that could lead to some interesting dynamics with a precariously structured lie (for the "good of the order" of course) leading to only further corruption and division within an already fractured Jedi order.

 

[Loco]

Not speaking with any real knowledge on the topic, but my assumption is that they wouldn't really couch it like that. They would dress it up and tell all these initiates that they're valued members of the Jedi and that they want to get away from the demeaning class system of padawans- or some less extreme version of that. The management is going to sugarcoat things, and the bitter old guard is going to scoff at that, and the padaknights probably fall somewhere in between.

 

[1new6]

Not speaking with any real knowledge on the topic, but my assumption is that they wouldn't really couch it like that. They would dress it up and tell all these initiates that they're valued members of the Jedi and that they want to get away from the demeaning class system of padawans- or some less extreme version of that. The management is going to sugarcoat things, and the bitter old guard is going to scoff at that, and the padaknights probably fall somewhere in between.

Wouldn’t that bring up the same problem though? To anyone with a modicum of intelligence or knowledge of what knights usually are expected to learn it would be perfectly obvious that these new knights do not have anywhere close to the amount of experience a knight should have, and the new vastly accelerated training program is nothing more then a quick way to get soldiers on a battlefield, not prepare them for the life of a Jedi. After all with such a shortened training time, the council would have had to cut something, and for some reason I doubt it was saber lessons, as that would run completely counter to the entire point of dissolving the Padawan rank.
So though yes some Jedi might be able to shrug this weight off their consciousness or accept it with blind faith in the order, I struggle to think all would be able to accept this obvious lie, especially when no matter what, it means throwing greatly unprepared initiates who should be just beginning their term as Padawan into the fray with full fledged exiles. Surely there must be some factions building strength within the order over this issue.
And again, as for the initiates who are being promoted to knight just after a few months or a few years (depending on exactly how brutal the admins want this to be) this dichotomy probably wouldn’t be all to obvious, but how is the house of cards being kept up? What happens when someone speaks up against it? If initiates knew why they were really being promoted so quickly to knight, I doubt it would help the Jedi cause.

 

[Rannuk]

Could it not be that at that period, the training regimen was not yet fully developed as we know it? If anything it would be a great explanation for the existence of the exiles and consequence of the conflict.

 

[Pippa]

That's certainly true, if this shift was made within people's living memory. If the war has lasted a century and this decision was made in the first decade, these soldier style jedi knights, who have become shattered and discordant as result of a civil war that has rocked the galaxy and opened it up for the machinations of the Hutt cartels, then generations of bystanders and Knights wouldn't even know about the old status quo or what knights were before the war let alone what Padawans or the normal master student relationship was. Bear in mind that most canon depictions of the order have them being poorly understood by the average citizen and that they have a tendency to gate keep knowledge even away from members of the order (Like many of the jedi's missteps in the plot from the prequel trilogy).

I'd imagine that any Jedi less than 50 ish years old wouldn't even know what a Padawan was unless explicitly told by someone much older.

 

[1new6]

That's certainly true, if this shift was made within people's living memory. If the war has lasted a century and this decision was made in the first decade, these soldier style jedi knights, who have become shattered and discordant as result of a civil war that has rocked the galaxy and opened it up for the machinations of the Hutt cartels, then generations of bystanders and Knights wouldn't even know about the old status quo or what knights were before the war let alone what Padawans or the normal master student relationship was. Bear in mind that most canon depictions of the order have them being poorly understood by the average citizen and that they have a tendency to gate keep knowledge even away from members of the order (Like many of the jedi's missteps in the plot from the prequel trilogy).

I'd imagine that any Jedi less than 50 ish years old wouldn't even know what a Padawan was unless explicitly told by someone much older.

I guess it would also depend how long ago this change was made. I was under the assumption that it was relatively recent, hence why we have knights who were recently (within the past couple years) promoted (or at least not well known), who have gone through a normal training process (people starting off as regular knights), as well as knights who went through the significantly cut down training (people who wanted to start as a bit weaker version of knights). I guess it would depend how long this new shortened training process takes, but assuming it lasts ~1 year, and there are still some knights who were recently promoted but went through an entirely normal Padawan ship I am assuming this process only started within the last 4-5 years or so.
Of course this is only an assumption based on what little information we have, so I guess it is up to the admins to decide.

 

[Mad Dog]

So with the sub accounts, will there be any real reason to log into our main accounts?

 

[Ulysses]

The lore rationale is that the Jedi are indeed making a mistake. In their desperation, they're doing things that don't quite make sense. The Jedi Order historically makes really dumb decisions in times of war. See also: the entirety of the Clone Wars.

The no padawan thing started as an honest mistake. I'm not sure how I feel about the level of deceit that is being proposed to sustain the mistake (the length of time is irrelevant, as I see it). I know not all Jedi are paragons of virtue and there are interesting questions of whether the order is indeed good, but I'm not sure how institutionalised dishonesty fits with the Jedi philosophy.

I know we're all speculating here, so consider my salt pinched. And my seat sat on the edge of for official announcements.

 

[Logan]

So with the sub accounts, will there be any real reason to log into our main accounts?

main accounts will be used in all the OOC forums, sub accounts will be for IC posting only.

 

[Mad Dog]

main accounts will be used in all the OOC forums, sub accounts will be for IC posting only.

Ah, that makes sense, Thank you!

 

[Pippa]

Much like the current timeline I don't know that I'd describe it as explicitly dishonest. I see it as being more of a "In times of necessity" kind of decision (if ultimately a futile one as we we've also been told that the order was defeated by the exiles) and to an extent I feel that the point in time the decision was made is important because if it was made a long time ago, then it's seen as the new normal and no amount of deceit or complicated half-truths would be needed to maintain it.

What I see as potentially being more complicated is that if the order are re-establishing themselves and attempting to reinstate the rules and traditions of the order (as we've been told that they are eventually heading towards the Jedi order of the Sith empire era) then there will be a limit as to how long there not being Padawans will make in universe sense in my opinion. But I'm sure by that point the game landscape may look entirely different and it will either be a non-issue or there will be more important issues to resolve.

 

[1new6]

The no padawan thing started as an honest mistake. I'm not sure how I feel about the level of deceit that is being proposed to sustain the mistake (the length of time is irrelevant, as I see it). I know not all Jedi are paragons of virtue and there are interesting questions of whether the order is indeed good, but I'm not sure how institutionalised dishonesty fits with the Jedi philosophy.

I know we're all speculating here, so consider my salt pinched. And my seat sat on the edge of for official announcements.

Maybe I am just overthinking this, but I don’t quite see how you could get rid of the padawan rank for any other reason other than to try and pump out soldiers faster. I don’t see any benefit to these new padaknights (shamelessly stealing this), nor do I see a benefit to the order itself other then more manpower. It certainly doesn’t breed long term loyalty and commitment to the order. It's a short term solution to a galaxy spanning war, but eventually a lack of solid jedi ideological foundations in all these new knights is bound to come back and bite somebody (quite probably the order itself). The only way it even kind of makes sense is if you aren't planning to have those possible rebels stick around for long enough to rebel, say if you were going to throw them into combat with not the haziest of clues what to do and a pat on the back.

Generally I would agree that the Jedi are not the kind of people to go this far (Which is one of the reasons I originally disputed the idea of the Jedi abolishing the rank of padwan), but tbh it’s not like it’s unprecedented in Jedi lore (at least in legends). When it comes to destroying an enemy (especially the Sith, and while I understand the Exiles are not technically Sith, in this case they might as well be), the Jedi have done far worse things. They committed genocide at least twice (once on korriban and a second time on Uba III, the latter while technically the republic and not the Jedi per say, is still not exactly a ringing endorsement), have completely ignored their own teachings, and often fallen to the darkness in an effort to stamp it out. It is very likely that at this point in the war many Jedi are willing to stick their heads in the sand if it means they are more likely to defeat the exiles; some might not even think about it as they are too busy with the war. Keep in mind that it is not going to be player characters that are running the Jedi council at the beginning of the game, so technically they could be an enemy unto themselves. I’m not saying that is how things are actually going to go, but i wanted to add my two cents on how it looks from my perspective.

 

[Logan]

not sure if it's been said but from a meta standpoint, the padawan rank is usually extremely restrictive and ends up causing more trouble than its worth. in timeline 5 for instance, you had droves on droves of padawans sitting on the roster, desperately trying to find someone to teach them. they ran into some problems:

1. being a mater sucks, for most people. it's a lot of effort and pressure on the master.

2. training threads are garbage, and having to do them constantly makes people lose interest in their characters and factions.

now, you may say "relent! you're dumb, i love all of those things and would totes be down to master or padawan!"

well, frankly, you're in the minority there. as was shown this TL, faction members are much more productive and get more fulfillment in their characters being able to skip useless rankings like padawan or whatever the sith equivalent is.


something to ponder, at least.