Targeted Cop Killing in Dallas: 11 shot, 5 dead currently.

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http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/08/us/philando-castile-alton-sterling-protests/

For those who hadn't heard, in Dallas Texas, a BLM protest was used by a group of people with a hatred for white police officers, as a means of targeting and killing cops, in a retaliation attack for cases of fatal police encounters highlighted by the group. The perpetrators may or may not be linked with the group, so far most of the suspects have been uncooperative and the only statement we have from one was their confirmed hatred of white officers, their inspiration being the black people shot by cops recently, and that they were upset that the BLM wouldn't go this far to solve the problem.

Sniper fire and bombs have been confirmed to have been used in this attack. The entire case has been a shitshow of misinformation, as social media turned to its usual suspects, some inventing an attacker in full body armor weilding an AR-15 and firing at the crowd. One man's photo was circulated as a prime suspect, only for him to have had nothing to do with the attack. The man turned in his weapon and himself to the cops shortly after the shooting, and his name was cleared from their suspects list. Demonstrating, imo, law enforcement doing its job when people cooperate with them, rather then trying to actively work against them.

Now we're in the wake of the intense incident, and we still only know the most basic of facts. The shooter was black, there may have been more but we don't know, they hated white people and white police officers as they stated to people who had contact with them before this incident took place. We don't even know if this man had a criminal record or not, if he had military service or not, at least at the time of writing this.

And social media has been awash with people both condemning and applauding the shooter. Some saying he represents everything the BLM is. Others saying he is a lone nut. And some hailing him as a hero for, in their words, "giving pigs a taste of their own medicine".

This entire incident has been insane, and I feel its worth discussing here.
 

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Important context: the police officers there were working with the protestors to make sure everything went off without a hitch. They were even taking pictures with the protestors. After the shootings began, the police protected the protestors. Some of the protestors even helped the officers during the shooting. The Dallas PD said this morning that they will not respond to this situation with militarization, as other departments have done.

Both the Dallas PD and the protestors have conducted themselves well.

The shooters were terrorists.
 

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I didn't think we needed context to know the people responsible for this were terrorists. Though the added context is appreciated.
 

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Hate does not fix hate.

I wish people wouldn't resort to violence to solve their problems.
 

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I didn't think we needed context to know the people responsible for this were terrorists.

The context is needed because there are people out there who will try to link them to the protests or to Black Lives Matter. Because after years of police brutality being in the public consciousness, and years of people (rightly) saying that not all cops are bad, there are many who will quickly use this to paint BLM/Obama/whoever they hate that day as bad and being responsible for this.
 

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And so once more the seeds of discord are cast upon this blood stained earth. But what crops will these new seeds grow? Shall they find root and raise above the hate and malice that has lingered like a plague upon our society for centuries? Or will they simply become the latest batch of hatred grown and refurbished with mistrust and intolerance. I rekon it will be the later option, though a small part of me yearns for the first. I'm sick and tired of the BLM and their one way street ********. All lives matter, they can go dig a hole and stay in it if they think other wise. Racism isn't a colorblind issue, it goes both ways, and until both sides admit they are wrong we will never put this nonsense to rest.
 

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And so once more the seeds of discord are cast upon this blood stained earth. But what crops will these new seeds grow? Shall they find root and raise above the hate and malice that has lingered like a plague upon our society for centuries? Or will they simply become the latest batch of hatred grown and refurbished with mistrust and intolerance. I rekon it will be the later option, though a small part of me yearns for the first. I'm sick and tired of the BLM and their one way street ********. All lives matter, they can go dig a hole and stay in it if they think other wise. Racism isn't a colorblind issue, it goes both ways, and until both sides admit they are wrong we will never put this nonsense to rest.
All lives are supposed to matter, yes, but black lives are undervalued in society. That's why the movement is called Black Lives Matter, not ONLY Black Lives Matter. It's Black Lives Matter, not Fuck White People.

When you see someone who says "save the whales," do you assume they're saying "but fuck those dolphins tho?" Because it's the same logic you're using here.
 

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To be fair, the BLM is a disorganized organization, as has been said by everyone who defends some of the more questionable actions of the movement. So nobody can really say what the BLM's exact messages and nuance is, because there is no one true BLM to talk about. Either that, or they are organized, and as such their branches protesting lgbt pride parades in toronto or shouting for "pigs in a blanket, fry them like bacon" in st paul represent the movement as much as the peaceful protests here in dallas.

It reminds me of occupy wallstreet. Where they couldn't be talked about because they had nothing consistent besides a dislike of wallstreet. Here its a general issue with how police operate in today society.
 

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All lives are supposed to matter, yes, but black lives are undervalued in society. That's why the movement is called Black Lives Matter, not ONLY Black Lives Matter. It's Black Lives Matter, not **** White People.

When you see someone who says "save the whales," do you assume they're saying "but **** those dolphins tho?" Because it's the same logic you're using here.
No i get that. My issue lies in that they start laughing and apllauding when cops get killed. I knoww not all of them do it, but I am still baffled by how many of them are approving of this garbage across social media. The biggest issue with BLM for me is that it's members seem to be forgeting their message is about improving the lives of others instead they use it as an excuse to attack others. Just found out the other day that they are creating private schools in New York that segregate class rooms based on color and teach children how society is out to get people and it's all white peoples fault. Stuff like that is what worries me. Yes the black community has issues, many many issues, but police violence isn't whats causing all these issues, its the environment these individuals are being exposed to that are the catalyst. I guess my biggest fear from all of this is reverse racism, where it's okay for race y to hate race x because (Reason) but lord forbid if race x says anything about race y. I'm already seeing some of that occurring now, but there is an obvious issue within the black community and within society in general.
 
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No i get that. My issue lies in that they start laughing and apllauding when cops get killed. I knoww not all of them do it,

This right here is where you should have stopped and rethought what you were saying. Black Lives Matter, as an organization, does not support this type of action. They condemned it immediately. They are not fostering it. They are not causing it. As long as you/your organization is doing everything in its power to do the right thing, you shouldn't be painted with the same brush as people who may claim to be part of your cause but start taking violent actions like this.

but I am still baffled by how many of them are approving of this garbage across social media.

"them"

Quantify this, please. Perhaps you're blowing the number of tweets there are out of proportion? Perhaps you're confusing the use of a hashtag (#BlackLivesMatter) with the actual organization and protesters that are trying to improve people's' lives?

The biggest issue with BLM for me is that it's members seem to be forgeting their message is about improving the lives of others instead they use it as an excuse to attack others.

Similarly to the above, using a #BlackLivesMatter hashtag does not automatically mean you are a protester or a member of the actual Black Lives Matter movement. Keyboard warriors cross all racial, ethnic, religious, sexual, etc lines.

Just found out the other day that they are creating private schools in New York that segregate class rooms based on color and teach children how society is out to get people and it's all white peoples fault.

Proof?

(And it largely is due to the structures imposed and controlled by white America.)

Yes the black community has issues, many many issues, but police violence isn't whats causing all these issues,

No, but it's a symptom of larger societal problems, and it's a very prevalent symptom. Saying it's not the core problem just diminishes the fact that it really is a problem.

its the environment these individuals are being exposed to that are the catalyst.

Such as? Don't make sweeping generalizations unless you're going to back them up.

I guess my biggest fear from all of this is reverse racism, where it's okay for race y to hate race x because (Reason) but lord forbid if race x says anything about race y. I'm already seeing some of that occurring now, but there is an obvious issue within the black community and within society in general.

There's no such thing as reverse racism. Racism is racism. And even then racism is more about structures, which are imposed and controlled by white people, so saying a black person is racist is a bit of a misnomer. It's more prejudice, which can cut in any direction from any group or person.

But white people also need to understand that calling out white racism and the problems caused by white America is not racism. If you're emotionally invested in always defending yourself as a white person, against any claim that there's maybe, just maybe an issue that needs to be solved, then you'll never actually be able to look at things objectively and you'll just perpetuate the problem.
 

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@Brandon Rhea I must admit I find issue with your second-to-last paragraph, which seems to imply that only white people can be racist. Merriam-Webster defines racism as: poor treatment of or violence against people because of their race/the belief that some races of people are better than others. This can apply to any group, and be used against any group.

I'm not denying that white people have played the bigot throughout most of racial history in America. But to suggest that racism is only confined to whites seems ridiculous. Hatred and ignorance know no race, class, or creed.

Now, in regards to the shootings, I consider them, as always, to be a tangled mess. Its not just "oppressed black people versus racist cops" or "racist blacks attacking cops. This entire situation is one big, ugly gray area, with wrongs and rights on both sides.

I'll be the first to admit there are problems in this country with regard to...virtually everything, but we can't paint everyone on one side saints and the other side demons. It's human being versus human being.
 

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I'm drawing a distinction between the structures of racism that cause oppression, and the feelings of prejudice. So when I say "saying a black person is racist is a misnomer," don't read that as "black people can't hate white people." Of course they can. Like I said, prejudice can come from all people/groups. But black people do not have the political power in this country to oppress white people, which is why I think drawing a distinction between structural racism and prejudice is important.
 

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Related stories: African american individual was found hung in atlanta park. Whether it is a hate crime or suicide remains to be seen. Social media understandably abuzz about this. http://atlantablackstar.com/2016/07...nt-park-suicide-black-twitter-isnt-buying-it/

Cop shot in Missouri after routine traffic stop. Suspect waited till the officer was returning to his vehicle to attack him. The officer is in critical condition. Whether this is related or not remains to be seen. Social media is undertandably abuzz about this. http://abcnews.go.com/US/missouri-police-officer-shot-traffic-stop-suspect-custody/story?id=40441765

Things are really starting to get out of control. It is good to keep in mind, that these incidents are not neccisarily linked to one another. The climate may make it seem otherwise, but until there is more evidence, let's not make any rash assumptions.
 
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