Spice is bad OOC

[Cazar]

@Clayton @Sreeya @Relent


Making an OOC rather than asking on discord.

Clayton, you posted out of order. It isn't your turn to post.

Sreeya, Grug was running off as you came out. You don't have time to throw a grenade somehow ahead of him as he begins speeding off with the force. Plus your shots won't exactly be "in his defenseless back" on that same vein. He ran into an alleyway and would not be in view. So your chasing seems a bit much and unreasonable to me.

 

[Sreeya]

1. Posting orders happen when pvp is engaged. As you didn't bother waiting despite clearly seeing a tag, we're well within our rights to assume there's no posting order till pvp begins. Therefore Clay's post will stand as being a part of the first official round of pvp.

2. My char is standing 10 m away from yours. I'd be able to do pretty much everything I did and then some from that vantage point. The grenade is an attempt and a toss, it's not a guarantee. You can decide its effectiveness. It's just him hurling it and hoping it lands further down the beeline you're making. Seeing as how I showed up 10m close to you and your char is just running away clearly in my line of sight, I think it's more than fair to assume I can shoot you in the back. I'm not going to budge on my post unfortunately because it's incredibly cut and dry.

 

[Cazar]

Thanks for being up front about not wanting to compromise. Grug went into an alley using force speed. That instantly would put him out of heavy range and quickly out of line of sight. But if you don't want to compromise at all, we can report if that's how it has to go.

Clayton's post IMO should be deleted for a chance to have Grug post as that is the order. Why would I wait for more to join combat before responding to someone entering?

 

[Clayton]

It's also easier if all team posts are together and not spread out. Otherwise Grug could do something to try and avoid the shots, then Wook tries to do something to stop that after you post, and then you try and stop Wook or block it, etc. And then we're on multiple rounds for figuring out whether the literal first shots connect.

 

[Cazar]

It's also easier if all team posts are together and not spread out. Otherwise Grug could do something to try and avoid the shots, then Wook tries to do something to stop that after you post, and then you try and stop Wook or block it, etc. And then we're on multiple rounds for figuring out whether the literal first shots connect.

You posted twice before any opposition posted. That's essentially combat upon entrance.

 

[Clayton]

You posted twice before any opposition posted. That's essentially combat upon entrance.

That's...actually a valid point. I was thinking about the IC timeline that I didn't notice I OOCly sandwiched Sreeya's post.

 

[Sreeya]

Eh both sides make good points for the posting order thing. @Loco can you offer commentary here? Like it's not worth a report, but it's definitely an interesting situation.

And Caz, drop the snarky attitude. I have no reason to change anything I'm doing because you've put yourself in a vulnerable situation instead of focusing on an obvious threat standing right there. That's not me being unwilling to compromise, that's my asshole of a char capitalizing on an opportunity.

 

[Cazar]

Eh both sides make good points for the posting order thing. @Loco can you offer commentary here? Like it's not worth a report, but it's definitely an interesting situation.

And Caz, drop the snarky attitude. I have no reason to change anything I'm doing because you've put yourself in a vulnerable situation instead of focusing on an obvious threat standing right there. That's not me being unwilling to compromise, that's my asshole of a char capitalizing on an opportunity.

Using force speed and running into an alleyway is a defense, not being vulnerable... But yeah I am glad for commentary. I might have been a bit snarky, but I don't appreciate the instant shoot down of any compromising.

 

[Sreeya]

Using force speed and running into an alleyway is a defense, not being vulnerable... But yeah I am glad for commentary. I might have been a bit snarky, but I don't appreciate the instant shoot down of any compromising.

And my char is in pursuit. I don't even know what I'd compromise. "Oh it's 2 shots instead of 3"? Like... I have nothing to compromise on until you actually defend. It's in your hands what you do after the shots and only after that can I say "Oh okay, I can see how that would miss or xyz wouldn't happen". But as for what he's doing? All of that, in my honest opinion, is doable to someone running away from 10m in front of him. You'd need to move away from the building before you can dart into an alley and he's just leveling and shooting the moment you make an escape attempt. I have no idea how to make it any clearer or obvious.

 

[Clayton]

I deleted my post. I'm not happy that y'all ninja'd my opening and essentially dropped me behind by a turn in doing so, but whatever.

 

[Sreeya]

Okay so let @Cazar and @Relent go next, then @Clayton you post and then me so we keep together.

 

[Loco]

^That is by far the simplest solution. Depending on the posting order you guys established upon combat initiating Clay could go next, but it's unnecessarily complicated.

That said, let's watch the attitudes. It doesn't bode well for the ensuing pvp, and things have barely even started.

 

[Sreeya]

Hey @Cazar I know this is gonna come up and I don’t want anyone to be surprised but - the way pvp rounds work is that everyone is on shared time per round. Shuffling around the posting order doesn’t exempt anyone from that or put someone an entire round behind.

I say this because even though Clay is going after you, he will still be posting within the first round of combat. He was already in the thread before Tage initiated combat, so Wook shares time with Tage. This means that he is able to launch attacks timed with Tage - aka exactly the same as if he posted right after me. This is precisely why Clay originally went after me to reduce confusion, but he is not one turn behind just because he’s lower in posting order. His attacks will also start when Grug is initially making a break for it.

Time sharing can be confusing, but if you’re still unsure you can ask one of the rp admins to better explain. I don’t think I did a good job.

 

[Logan]

So I missed the ooc fun last night apparently but Sree and Clay are correct.

They are fully able to interrupt our escape(s) and Sree’s post with the shots and grenades is fine by me without edits; it’s being used as an interrupt.

Our side should go now to keep things easier to handle.

 

[Cazar]

@GABA Can you edit your intro so you're not blocking an exit or godmoding me into running straight into you on your first post of the thread? Thanks.

Also @Sreeya I get what you're trying to say but Clay did not enter the thread until after the escape attempt. If he does not post to join in time to initiate combat in the same round, he does not get to attack in the same time as you. End of story please do have an RP admin tell me I'm wrong if that's the case, but that would be pretty unfair and set a horrifying precedent for pvp. Tagging someone to join you does not give them some special rights if they miss the round.

 

[GABA]

You can have Grug tell Marcella not to block an exit in your next post, but I see nothing in regards to godmodding in my post.

 

[Cazar]

You put yourself into a thread and said I'd be running to you despite your ship blocking the alleyway. All in your first post. It's awful convenient and feels like I'm being forced into a condition that I did not write. Grug wouldn't just be barrelling towards some ship blocking an alleyway but you placed yourself in the way suddenly to block my leaving the thread. That is aggression in first post. You don't get to join a thread and instantly be stopping someone's path.

 

[Sreeya]

Well shit this just got more complicated...

@Cazar He did join in time to initiate combat. Combat was initiated when Tage shot, not before that. Before that it was Grug beginning his escape. By the time Tage shoots, Wook is already in the thread, which means he still gets to act in the same round of combat and gets to do something. Grug isn't like super far out of sight and range by the time Wook acts because that'd imply he's just standing around doing nothing and getting skipped for a combat round turn. But since you're 'end of story'ing me, @Loco can you please clarify? I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that's how shared time in combat works.

 

[GABA]

You put yourself into a thread and said I'd be running to you despite your ship blocking the alleyway. All in your first post. It's awful convenient and feels like I'm being forced into a condition that I did not write. Grug wouldn't just be barrelling towards some ship blocking an alleyway but you placed yourself in the way suddenly to block my leaving the thread. That is aggression in first post. You don't get to join a thread and instantly be stopping someone's path.

To be frank here, you signed up for the risk as soon as you made this an Open PvP thread on a Hutt controlled world. Now there is a new bounty (and has been a bounty on all jedi for a while) and things don't seem too covert because you took down a building, which is drawing attention to yourself. And if we're going to talk about convenience, convenience would be Grug finding mazes of alleyways to run around and avoid attacks from opponents in order to seal his escape. If you're wrapped up in PvP you don't get to just escape or leave the thread, you may have to fight your way out of it.

There is nothing aggressive about my post, my Mando isn't doing anything but watching an extremely fast swine at the moment.

 

[Cazar]

Long story short I've been real stressed the last few days so I'm sorry for letting it come out. Honestly I want to just leave this thread and take a break but it seems no one wants to allow that. Not sure if I will post again in time for the pvp or not but I'll try.