Skirmish at Lamaredd

[GABA]

@Ben

How was Orlaan able to dispel Ebb's illusion in between the few seconds as picked up some wood and throw it? Not to mention, how was he able to focus on throwing the rubble at Ebb, when he was trying to focus on where she was?

 

[Ben]

Those were two separate instances, much as Ebb crushing the stand and her using her illusions were. He started throwing it, but when she started to disappear, he let go of his control on it and let it clatter to the ground.

As for how he was he was able to dispel her illusions, it say in the post. As per the wookiepedia article, Force illusion (which I double checked was the power you were using) has little, if not no affect on other force users. I figured this was discounted with massive power gulfs which is why it worked when you used it in our spar ages ago. Now they're more on par with one another, I think it'd play by the rules set out on the wiki.

Also, he has some previous experience with this, and good mental barriers. And since illusion works by directly effecting his mind, which is well protected, he was able to shake off he influence and dispel it.

 

[GABA]

Except that would have been a matter of a few seconds with throwing the rubble, if you claim that Orlaan and Ebb are on the same level with one another, its going to take Orlaan more than a few seconds to break through her illusion. Just because Orlaan has some previous experience with it, doesn't mean he will be able to shake it off right away.

 

[Ben]

I'm just basing off what the wiki said. It says that Force illusion has little if not no affect. Plus, you're taking time and slowly pacing around. There was plenty of time for him to react and do all this, not that I agree that it would be particularly difficult for him, more that if it did take him longer then the way you wrote it allows for that.

 

[GABA]

You're not reading what I wrote, and what you wrote:
At the beginning of the post, you talked about Orlaan picking up rubble and throwing it, at the end of the post, you state, Orlaan was able to do all that he did before the rubble came down. Meaning, if you throw something, it only takes a few seconds for it to go and land, especially when your target is right there. That would also imply it would only take a few seconds for Orlaan to break something he doesn't deal with on a regular basis, which wouldn't be feasible.

 

[Ben]

I can jig around the timing to make it fit a little better, but I really disagree that it would take him long to break it.

Here's the quote in question from the wookiepedia article:
"Though powerful, it was not without its drawbacks. Chief among them was that it had absolutely no effect on any mind that wasn't organic, such as droids and other AI, and had a greatly reduced (or almost nonexistent) effect on Force users or Force-resistant species such as Hutts and Yuuzhan Vong. "

So that, plus the fact that there's no power gulf, he has previously stated mental barriers erected (and this power works by getting into the mind of the other person), previous experience, and has techniques (Teras Kasi) to defend against it, then I don't see why it'd do much at all. Just going off wookiepedia and canon info.

 

[GABA]

Its been pretty well established in the site though it does have an effect on force users, to go back and say, 'no it shouldn't because I just read this on wookiee" to make the exception for this thread doesn't seem rational.

I don't know what you mean by power gulf either. Just because he has mental barriers, doesn't mean he's immune to the attack or should have a free pass on not being reasonably affected in a given amount of time.

 

[Ben]

When I say gulf, I'm saying there is no gulf. There's no massive disparity between their levels of power, so to speak, to compensate for. They're on par is what I'm saying.

Also, I don't see how having mental barriers wouldn't stop this since it's a power that works by directly effecting the mind. I always just worked off the precedent as I've seen in other pvp scenarios that the Wiki is the reference point we use, so I used it.

 

[GABA]

Right, if they're on par, it doesn't mean nothing has an effect on one another. Its not like Ebb is trying to tickle Orlaan, she's going to put some umph behind her abilities, meaning Orlaan is going to need to work a bit on dispelling. I'm not saying he can't stop it, I'm saying its going to take more than a few seconds to push it off.

 

[Ben]

The pressured for time thing would make sense to me if you like, attacked me and split my focus. But it makes no sense that it would take a long time to dispel an action that takes no time to do. By your logic of me having to work with my mental barriers and push you at bay, you'd also need to take similar efforts to start to break down my mental barriers and have your power effect my mind, which you didn't. Likewise, outside of the Wookiepedia article, canonically it is stated time and time again that these powers effect the weak minded etc, literally to the point of EU Sith Lords having to pick out the weaker minds amidst a group of soldiers to effect.

The only thing that makes sense to edit in my eyes is maybe the timing with the rubble being thrown.

 

[GABA]

The only thing that makes sense to edit in my eyes is maybe the timing with the rubble being thrown.

Yes, this is correct, this is what needs to be edited because it sounds like Orlaan did everything in a matter of like three seconds. >.>

 

[Ben]

I can edit the rubble for sure. I will just talk about throwing it and cut out the second mention.