Rumored plot and spoilers

[Chronicled]

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http://moviepilot.com/posts/2014/07...ers-2111103?lt_source=external,manual#!bjkENm

Anyways. I hope this is some BS. If it's not, I hope the fanbase can force a change.
I say that we have a large event - All Star wars roleplay members meet up at the same theater. I'll buy the tickets. We all dress up in great cosplays. Then, once the text crawl ends and the camera pans up, if it pans up into a hand, we all get up and freak out and then leave after throwing a small riot on the way out.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

Better outlets have added more context to this story. If it's true, it's likely that the lightsaber is in a ship, and the ship crashes on whatever planet Daisy and Boyega are on. The lightsaber will contain a message from Luke - this is an unused plot point from either Empire or Jedi - basically saying "if you're seeing this, something very bad has happened." That kickstarts the plot, which is finding Luke Skywalker.

I have no issue with that.

EDIT: MakingStarWars has good analysis on all this:

http://makingstarwars.net/2014/07/thoughts-opening-star-wars-episode-vii/
http://makingstarwars.net/2014/07/macguffin-star-wars-episode-vii-might-genius/

And everything I'm hearing says that the link in the OP is incorrect, and that Daisy is indeed Han and Leia's kid.

 

[Green Ranger]

BEWARE OF RIDICULOUS SPOILERS

http://moviepilot.com/posts/2014/07...ers-2111103?lt_source=external,manual#!bjkENm

Anyways. I hope this is some BS. If it's not, I hope the fanbase can force a change.
I say that we have a large event - All Star wars roleplay members meet up at the same theater. I'll buy the tickets. We all dress up in great cosplays. Then, once the text crawl ends and the camera pans up, if it pans up into a hand, we all get up and freak out and then leave after throwing a small riot on the way out.

So let me get this straight. You think one theatre full of nerds dressed up in costumes doing a walkout is going to change an entire film after its been finished?

I mean, I've heard some stupid ideas from the fanbase over the years, but holy shit.

 

[Jake]

How is SWRP going to approach changes to the canon since all of the EU is going to be overwritten?

 

[Latte]

Meh. I'm unimpressed with the idea of them somehow finding Luke's old lightsaber, but whatever. I'll reserve judgement on the plot until the movie is released.

 

[Lord_Stark]

They threw out the EU for this...

 

[Green Ranger]

How is SWRP going to approach changes to the canon since all of the EU is going to be overwritten?

We've covered this before, but I can't find the relevant announcement thingy, so basically the next timeline will involve a reboot of our own internal canon. We're wiping the slate clean and moving forward with the new canon after this timeline. Basically ten years of RPing in the same continuity will be coming to a close.

Meh. I'm unimpressed with the idea of them somehow finding Luke's old lightsaber, but whatever. I'll reserve judgement on the plot until the movie is released.

That's probably the smartest thing said in this thread so far. These are very broad strokes here, so we don't know the full context of most of what's going on. The articles Brandon linked to are good reads as well to help clarify the situation, but it's too early to start senseless bitching...

They threw out the EU for this...

...like this. Seriously, qq moar. I'm so sick of people crying over the EU. How much of the it have you actually read? Not to brag, but I think I'm one of the better versed members in the EU on here, and let me tell you, take off the rose coloured glasses for one second and accept that the vast, vast majority of the EU was complete and utter shite.

 

[Wit]

...like this. Seriously, qq moar. I'm so sick of people crying over the EU. How much of the it have you actually read? Not to brag, but I think I'm one of the better versed members in the EU on here, and let me tell you, take off the rose coloured glasses for one second and accept that the vast, vast majority of the EU was complete and utter shite.

How dare you, do you not remember Mount Sorrow?

 

[Jake]

Well, I guess it kind of sucks in that most of the decent EU was set around this period (the Han Solo books, the Thrawn ones, etc). But if the site is wiping its slate, it will probably go to another timeline set in the past since we never go close to the period the movies are set in. Which means that this won't really matter much to us in the end.

 

[Phil]

Far too early to be discussing what the next timeline will be.

Also, I really do not care for this plot, not hating it or excited. I'm sure it'll have something that will interest me though, I'll find out next year.

As for EU, people need to get over it. Just because it's nuked does not stop you from reading it. Also the fact that they would have never made a movie or show based on any of the EU.

 

[Lord_Stark]

...like this. Seriously, qq moar. I'm so sick of people crying over the EU. How much of the it have you actually read? Not to brag, but I think I'm one of the better versed members in the EU on here, and let me tell you, take off the rose coloured glasses for one second and accept that the vast, vast majority of the EU was complete and utter shite.

I've read a very good amount of it thank you. The EU, while some may consider it to be lack luster and parts out right trash, it was still what a lot of us read and accepted as part of Star Wars lore. I grew up on this stuff. First EU material I read was the Thrawn Trilogy and I loved it. Yes while some of it was bad, its still what we loved for how many years? Sorry that I'm a little upset about what I'd grown up reading and loving was made pretty much meaningless in terms of the overall story, for in my opinion, a rather boring story concept.

Now obviously it would have been impossible to create a story based on the EU, but there were some great concepts there. If they had borrowed some and trashed a bit of it I think a much better plot could have been developed other than "Oh, Luke's hand and lightsaber. Better go find him."

 

[Green Ranger]

I've read a very good amount of it thank you. The EU, while some may consider it to be lack luster and parts out right trash, it was still what a lot of us read and accepted as part of Star Wars lore. I grew up on this stuff. First EU material I read was the Thrawn Trilogy and I loved it. Yes while some of it was bad, its still what we loved for how many years? Sorry that I'm a little upset about what I'd grown up reading and loving was made pretty much meaningless in terms of the overall story, for in my opinion, a rather boring story concept.

Now obviously it would have been impossible to create a story based on the EU, but there were some great concepts there. If they had borrowed some and trashed a bit of it I think a much better plot could have been developed other than "Oh, Luke's hand and lightsaber. Better go find him."

Firstly, the EU was never canon. It was just canon to adherents to the EU. LFL has always had the policy that basically unless George Lucas said it was canon, it wasn't canon, and that's a line that Disney went with when determining the new canon. You've got the movies, TCW, and that's about it. Officially speaking, the EU was always basically just glorified fanfic. The only difference now is Disney has outright made it official before they move forward with Rebels, the Sequels, and any new novels, comics etc that we may see in future. Unlike last time, they're actually keeping canon controlled, which is a good thing.

Secondly, what you're suggesting here is that you accept that yes, parts of it were bad, but because of nostalgia bits of it should still be adhered to, while others are discarded? So who determines what stays and what goes? A lot of series interweve into one another as well, so how is anyone supposed to determine what is and isn't categorically canon? You can't just cut a series out cleanly, because each series introduces elements, references and information that are not always solely confined to one book or comic. Authors often look at prior works to take ideas and expand on them.

Then you've got the fanbase outcry. LEt's jsut say LFL decided the LOTF series was non-canon. In fact it would almsot certainly have to be. Unfortunately there's a lot of LOTF fans out there who wouldl ose their shit over their series of chocie being removed because they feel targeted. Wiping the slate clean and starting fresh may actually seem like a giant **** you to the fandom, but in actual fact it's probably the least unpopular decision they could have made, and in terms of moving ahead, it's the cleanest way to do it as well.

Also note that your final paragraph actually is an own goal. You freely admit that it would have been impossible to create a story based on the EU...but at the same time you're complaining that they threw out the EU for this storyline without even giving it a fair go? You're grossly oversimplifying the plot element, not even gbothering to speculate on how it could work plausibly before shutting it down entirely. I could pitch any idea to you in two sentances and it would sound like shit. Plot elements are part of a whole, so unless you actually bother to figure out how something like that works in the greater story, then obviously it's going to sound shit, because that singular element is not designed to be read out of context the way you've been doing.

 

[Johnnysaurus Rex]

Then you've got the fanbase outcry. LEt's jsut say LFL decided the LOTF series was non-canon. In fact it would almsot certainly have to be. Unfortunately there's a lot of LOTF fans out there who wouldl ose their shit over their series of chocie being removed because they feel targeted. Wiping the slate clean and starting fresh may actually seem like a giant **** you to the fandom, but in actual fact it's probably the least unpopular decision they could have made, and in terms of moving ahead, it's the cleanest way to do it as well.

That and the fact that almost any continuity will eventually start to become to large, unwieldy, and crush under its own weight. Looking at comics, not a perfect example, they typically have changed and retconned things to cut down on swaths of canon that are too big or get in the way of some new stories. sometimes for the best and sometimes for worse, but in regards to this Star Wars change we are getting a much needed breath of fresh air.

After a while things kind of build up and it creates strictures on what kind of stories can be told in this one universe and you will inevitably piss fans off because you didn't know about this one obscure information in a book about how Han likes to eat his steaks. You say he actually prefers chicken and you have a whole fandom up your ass.

Only solace I can give you are writers and people are lazy and like comic book reboots and retcons you will probably see the same ideas ending up being recycled in the future.

 

[Lord_Stark]

Firstly, the EU was never canon. It was just canon to adherents to the EU. LFL has always had the policy that basically unless George Lucas said it was canon, it wasn't canon, and that's a line that Disney went with when determining the new canon. You've got the movies, TCW, and that's about it. Officially speaking, the EU was always basically just glorified fanfic. The only difference now is Disney has outright made it official before they move forward with Rebels, the Sequels, and any new novels, comics etc that we may see in future. Unlike last time, they're actually keeping canon controlled, which is a good thing.

Secondly, what you're suggesting here is that you accept that yes, parts of it were bad, but because of nostalgia bits of it should still be adhered to, while others are discarded? So who determines what stays and what goes? A lot of series interweve into one another as well, so how is anyone supposed to determine what is and isn't categorically canon? You can't just cut a series out cleanly, because each series introduces elements, references and information that are not always solely confined to one book or comic. Authors often look at prior works to take ideas and expand on them.

Then you've got the fanbase outcry. LEt's jsut say LFL decided the LOTF series was non-canon. In fact it would almsot certainly have to be. Unfortunately there's a lot of LOTF fans out there who wouldl ose their shit over their series of chocie being removed because they feel targeted. Wiping the slate clean and starting fresh may actually seem like a giant **** you to the fandom, but in actual fact it's probably the least unpopular decision they could have made, and in terms of moving ahead, it's the cleanest way to do it as well.

Also note that your final paragraph actually is an own goal. You freely admit that it would have been impossible to create a story based on the EU...but at the same time you're complaining that they threw out the EU for this storyline without even giving it a fair go? You're grossly oversimplifying the plot element, not even gbothering to speculate on how it could work plausibly before shutting it down entirely. I could pitch any idea to you in two sentances and it would sound like shit. Plot elements are part of a whole, so unless you actually bother to figure out how something like that works in the greater story, then obviously it's going to sound shit, because that singular element is not designed to be read out of context the way you've been doing.

You misunderstand my addressing why I was upset about your comment for arguments on why the EU should be adhered to.

All I am simply saying is that they decided to throw out material and lore that, while was not canon with the movies or shows, was a overall great story, for a new revamped history, that based off of these articles, is not appealing. Now who knows, when more information comes out I may totally change my opinion.

 

[TWD26]

I'm glad they threw out most of the EU, because to be honest it was confusing as hell and it was hard to follow sometimes and there were conflicting points. Plus the Vong invading the galaxy was horrible and I hated all of that. So it'll be nice to finally see a clean canon timeline :)

 

[Brandon Rhea]

One thing I should correct is the notion that Lucasfilm said the EU was non-canon. They said quite the opposite, in fact. At the same time, though, they also said that George Lucas' stories trumped everything; that the EU had to adhere to the Lucas vision, but the Lucas vision did not have to adhere to the EU. Basically, they tried to have their cake and eat it too so they could sell books. So they raised a generation of people to believe that the Thrawn Trilogy, The New Jedi Order, Legacy of the Force, etc. was true Star Wars, and that blew up in their faces a bit when they had to decide that it was not official canon.

It had to be done, but LFL is just as responsible for that belief as the fans who believed it.

 

[Cainhurst Crow]

This EU/Not-solid-spoiler stuff is starting to remind me of the damned mass effect nonsense drama. Only with even less legitimacy or credibility behind it.

 

[Defiance]

I was reading Timothy Zahn's AMA on reddit, and I stumbled on a take on the film and the EU:

It was obvious from the moment they said they were making more films that the EU was toast. The Extended Universe is a great many things (and I still love it), but it does not lend itself to filming. It's complicated, intricate, contradictory, repetitive, and doesn't form a single coherent story. It's also ultimately expendable; even the first "EU" book (Splinter of the Mind's Eye, 1978) was contradicted by both Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi. There are certainly a fair number of EU fans, but that kind of fan is vocally displeased by any inaccuracy or inconsistency in a filmed adaptation; simply keeping in a few characters or events and throwing out the rest would create just as big of a backlash.

So they had three choices:

1. Accurately make a non-original film trilogy that is entirely and painstakingly consistent with a hodgepodge of 1990s paperbacks, pleasing hardcore fans but confusing mass audiences.

2. Make a new film trilogy telling a partially original story, but also incorporating some elements from the EU, but ignoring others, and contradicting others, upsetting hardcore fans and confusing mass audiences.

3. Ignore the EU and make the best original story they can, pleasing mass audiences but upsetting hardcore fans.

Easy decision, unfortunately.

The rest of the AMA is also pretty informative.

 

[Noirceur]

I'm glad they threw out most of the EU, because to be honest it was confusing as hell and it was hard to follow sometimes and there were conflicting points. Plus the Vong invading the galaxy was horrible and I hated all of that. So it'll be nice to finally see a clean canon timeline :)

My opinion exactly. The EU was never canon, and they didn't "trash it out", it was simply stated that it had no play in the future of SW canon. Just because they didn't use it in the film doesn't mean you can't go and read a EU book or play KotOR or something.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

And I think something people tend to forget is that the EU is still canon to itself. All of those stories still fit in a continuity with Episodes I-VI (and even The Clone Wars, to an extent). It's the new stories that it doesn't fit with. So if you're someone who believes that the EU is the true Star Wars canon, then you can still believe that. A company making a decision about what they consider to be official stories shouldn't change your perception of those stories. You just have to understand that those stories don't fit with Episode VII, Rebels, or other new movies, new books, and new comics.

To fans, both can be equally valid when viewed through the lens of separate continuities.