Reign's PVP Compendium

[Reign]

Fair enough. I did that already.

 

[Outlander]

Fair enough. I did that already.

Then let it lie until the Admin gets here. Trust me; just go back and look at some of my PvP experiences. Each time, if I had just stopped posting in the OOC, it would have gone about 10x smoother. Right now, you aren't accomplishing anything continuing this argument with Bauren.

 

[Reya Starlyght]

Just gonna say @Reign, I did say in my post there are certain situations where you can cancel your action. And certain places where you don't

Let me explain why the if x happens y happens strategy is not good. Let's say you say that your character is swinging a blade at the other person's side. If blocked you would kick at their stomach. The next person can take advantage of this, and say that they blocked the saber and cut his leg with his other saber. You're now stuck. It's never a really good idea to do this. Ask @Elijah Brockway or @Bauren anytime and they'll tell you.

Yeah I know those actions weren't specific I'm tired.

 

[Vosrik]

Just gonna say @Reign, I did say in my post there are certain situations where you can cancel your action. And certain places where you don't

Let me explain why the if x happens y happens strategy is not good. Let's say you say that your character is swinging a blade at the other person's side. If blocked you would kick at their stomach. The next person can take advantage of this, and say that they blocked the saber and cut his leg with his other saber. You're now stuck. It's never a really good idea to do this. Ask @Elijah Brockway or @Bauren anytime and they'll tell you.

Yeah I know those actions weren't specific I'm tired.

While you're definitely right, it comes back down to the confirming actions rule. Normally, Reign is right in that when new information is provided, a typical "rewind" happens. However, because in your scenario the follow-up attack was specified and confirmed by the opponent, you can't go back and change it.

 

[Reya Starlyght]

While you're definitely right, it comes back down to the confirming actions rule. Normally, Reign is right in that when new information is provided, a typical "rewind" happens. However, because in your scenario the follow-up attack was specified and confirmed by the opponent, you can't go back and change it.

Yup, and that's why if x happens y happens is not a good format to PvP in.

Edit: @Reign if you're not going to put tips in this I'll probably make my own guide for them just giving you a head's up.

 

[Eccles]

I'll probably make my own guide for them just giving you a head's up.

Just for everyone, perhaps it's an idea to actually get some real PvP experience before writing a guideline for it..

Seeing how most PvPs are just a mash-up of Skype chat advice and OOC bickering and not of actual skill and superior PvP ability, a guideline posted in the OOC will not be referenced much, let alone if there's eighteen of them.

 

[Reya Starlyght]

Just for everyone, perhaps it's an idea to actually get some real PvP experience before writing a guideline for it..

Seeing how most PvPs are just a mash-up of Skype chat advice and OOC bickering and not of actual skill and superior PvP ability, a guideline posted in the OOC will not be referenced much, let alone if there's eighteen of them.

Eh, I've seen a lot of new players, and I mean a LOT ask about PvP guidelines and tips. I'll say one thing if I knew all the stuff I know now I wouldn't have gotten into as nearly as many stupid OOC fights. And also there's a TON of people that don't have Skypes that this would benefit.

Also, don't know if you're talking to me but I've been in at least 7 or 8 fights before, not to mention I've observed a ton and it really doesn't take that many fights to pick up on a lot of things.

 

[Eccles]

Also, don't know if you're talking to me but I've been in at least 7 or 8 fights before, not to mention I've observed a ton and it really doesn't take that many fights to pick up on a lot of things.

It does if you want to write a comprehensive guide that people will actually use, because why go through the trouble if the only people reading it are your friends? I know of your PvP threads and I'd suggest not writing a guideline just yet, as there's much to learn and plenty of veteran members to answer the PvP questions new people want answered who won't link to your guideline.

Would a guideline posted by people in leadership be useful and stickied in their respective boards (so the entire leadership can edit), yes and especially for those members new to the forum and the factional conflict, but a lot of guidelines posted by a lot of different players (both new to the site and old timers) in the OOC or Roleplay-Help board will never reach the same level of effect and help.

So basically, don't post a guideline because you think you know your stuff after a couple of thread participation trophies and having read a couple of others. If there's need for one try and convince your leadership to write one that gets influences and tips from the entire faction, making it much more useful as it includes a ton more information and help.

 

[Sreeya]

I'll be honest, I think the stuff outlined in the rules section of the site is just fine. I'm not sure why we need all these pvp guides when rules and examples are very clearly presented in the rules section.

But alas I know nothing about pvp.

 

[Reya Starlyght]

It does if you want to write a comprehensive guide that people will actually use, because why go through the trouble if the only people reading it are your friends? I know of your PvP threads and I'd suggest not writing a guideline just yet, as there's much to learn and plenty of veteran members to answer the PvP questions new people want answered who won't link to your guideline.

Would a guideline posted by people in leadership be useful and stickied in their respective boards (so the entire leadership can edit), yes and especially for those members new to the forum and the factional conflict, but a lot of guidelines posted by a lot of different players (both new to the site and old timers) in the OOC or Roleplay-Help board will never reach the same level of effect and help.

So basically, don't post a guideline because you think you know your stuff after a couple of thread participation trophies and having read a couple of others. If there's need for one try and convince your leadership to write one that gets influences and tips from the entire faction, making it much more useful as it includes a ton more information and help.

I disagree with some of the stuff here. I don't really think a guide has to be written by leadership. You've seen @Vosrik's and @Shalken's guides, they were good and a ton of people used them. A simple thing could be someone writes it and it is stickied. Simple solution. Not to mention leadership already has a ton of stuff to do already. I agree that having multiple guides isn't the best idea but it's a different thing entirely when someone isn't willing to edit their post, which was what I was saying. A guide where no one truly owns it and anyone can give advice is what would be the best, and personally that's what I was going to be making, a guide that had a few tips and then ask people what else there was. Believe or not everyone, even new players, can contribute to stuff like this. There are general rules everywhere in RP all over the Internet and even IRL that can be applied here.

 

[Eccles]

Believe or not everyone, even new players, can contribute to stuff like this. There are general rules everywhere in RP all over the Internet and even IRL that can be applied here.

I never said new players can't contribute, now did I? I said to post a guideline everyone can contribute to and post it in a faction board so the edits aren't dependent on one person being online and active. And that's when you really think a guideline is necessary, because generally writing them is more for yourself than for others.

But I'm not going to argue with you over this, nor should I have replied to the attitude given. You do you, I'm not stopping you.

 

[Reya Starlyght]

I never said new players can't contribute, now did I? I said to post a guideline everyone can contribute to and post it in a faction board so the edits aren't dependent on one person being online and active. And that's when you really think a guideline is necessary, because generally writing them is more for yourself than for others.

But I'm not going to argue with you over this, nor should I have replied to the attitude given. You do you, I'm not stopping you.

Whoops, I really didn't see that part XD My mom's been yelling at me heh.

I didn't mean to come off rude in anyway, sorry about that. Kind of just got off on a rant and didn't really look at wording.

 

[Reign]

Whatever the interpretations are, questions of mine have been answered through this. While I'm new to the forum, I'm not new to PVP, and I think what I posted serves that end.

It sounds like a few people benefited.

As I said, intention is not to set a rule or even influence them. If nothing else it served me in clarifying a lot of my assumptions are correct in the eyes of a number of people. Suggesting that, perhaps, my assumptions are correct in a broad sense of the forum.

If people dig it, extrapolate more, do your thing. These aren't even my rules. They come from existing rulesets for combat, and rules that are in place for good reason. Which makes sense seeing as how many of these are observed here.

Reya's contribution was welcomed. While I don't agree tactical advice was the point of this, it does illustrate my point that at least a handful of people might need a unified rule set beyond a few vague rules that would be enough if everyone was of like-mind. But due to the fact that even with sensible rulesets, you see variation, I don't know that vague is always good. You'll have people with different interpretations.

I'd welcome the notion of something that, on a broader scale, tackles common debated issues or hot spots not everyone might be unified upon. I didn't expect this to get stickied and hotspotted for the SWRP official guide by any means. It's already done what I wanted it to do.