OOC Ode to War

[Valen Pelora]

Hey @Flamjetxx

I just wanted to give you a quick heads up, we are not on Corellia. We are on Coruscant (and Corellia is still in Republic control). I certainly don't mind you opposing our little jaunt in the Underworld. However, I would ask that you edit out your use of the NPCs. As you know their use in PVP is very limited. @Versok and I were using the NPC forces because we were in the thread alone, and it would be very boring to just chat for 15 posts.

If your PC draws us out that is cool with me, but as it stands now the NPCs are being used to push us in a position that would be advantageous to your character. If you could just edit the NPC use then we should be all set.

 

[Flamjetxx]

Hey @Flamjetxx

I just wanted to give you a quick heads up, we are not on Corellia. We are on Coruscant (and Corellia is still in Republic control). I certainly don't mind you opposing our little jaunt in the Underworld. However, I would ask that you edit out your use of the NPCs. As you know their use in PVP is very limited. @Versok and I were using the NPC forces because we were in the thread alone, and it would be very boring to just chat for 15 posts.

If your PC draws us out that is cool with me, but as it stands now the NPCs are being used to push us in a position that would be advantageous to your character. If you could just edit the NPC use then we should be all set.

I didn't personally think there is any advantage or disadvantage anywhere. In fact, I was kind of thinking you could make the Rebels hold out the Storm Troopers within the base for long enough for the duel to take place. That way, they were far enough away that they wouldn't obstruct us. I merely used the NPCs to give an IC reason for our characters to meet, as it stood, your characters were both in the middle of the headquarters of the Rebels, which is also why I left the circumstances to how we met so comparatively vague. However, if you'd like, I can edit everything out up to the point where I mention my character waiting for the two of your characters. However, if you think your characters are at a disadvantage, there no IC reason needed for them to meet since the drive is OOC, there just helps to be an IC reason to meet.

 

[Flamjetxx]

Well, anyway @Valen Pelora , let me know if the plan I described works for you or if you still feel like there is a disadvantage in it. It is something that you can describe in your next post, but I will be happy to make edits otherwise before I head off for work if you need me to; I only prefer not to edit posts in PvP ideally unless necessary -like if you feel the NPCs are a problem.

 

[Valen Pelora]

Based on that explanation, I don't think edits are required. However, there is really no reason for us to 'come out and meet you.' Our goal is to get to 15 posts without having to retreat or die. The way I see it we will likely stay put and continue to fight the Imperials. If you engage we will be right there waiting. There is really no incentive for us to come to you.

Glad we cleared that up!

 

[Flamjetxx]

Based on that explanation, I don't think edits are required. However, there is really no reason for us to 'come out and meet you.' Our goal is to get to 15 posts without having to retreat or die. The way I see it we will likely stay put and continue to fight the Imperials. If you engage we will be right there waiting. There is really no incentive for us to come to you.

Glad we cleared that up!

I can figure something out that will make it an even playing field. I am going to make edits anyway.

 

[Flamjetxx]

@Valen Pelora Okay, I made it so that your characters don't have to move, so that it is reasonable for them to meet, and so that my character isn't running into a room full of Rebel soldiers.

 

[Valen Pelora]

Works for me! It is now @Versok's turn, I'll post after him, then we just keep rolling.

 

[Versok]

All right then, I will post tomorrow

 

[Valen Pelora]

@Flamjetxx, just so I am clear. You are deflecting the bolts, and moving towards a hallway leading deeper into the "base."

 

[Flamjetxx]

@Flamjetxx, just so I am clear. You are deflecting the bolts, and moving towards a hallway leading deeper into the "base."

Well, the headquarters that would lead from the command center in which they currently reside. For the rebels, that would make it a base as I would assume that their base of operations didn't include only the command center.

 

[Valen Pelora]

My only quibble is, I thought we made it pretty clear we were outside. We can just treat the post as you moving to go into the building.

 

[Flamjetxx]

Well, there is no mention to the idea that they were outside, only that they were behind a barricade with the Bothan Commander, and that doesn't necessarily mean that they are outside. The only mention to them being outside or inside is when I mentioned Artello standing in the room behind the Rebel position, and just now when I established that they are all inside.

I do realize that there was indication in Versok's post stating that the base was an older residential building behind that that was in clear view, but that still doesn't mean that you were outside as nothing states that they were outside while being able to see the position; It merely implies that this command room has a great view, which makes sense for a location chosen to command from. In fact, I chose to call the location in which our characters reside a command center and the building behind them a base, indicating that they are two separate locations.

However, I don't care entirely too much about the location in which we combat, and I am willing to work out a compromise if it matters as much to you where the fight takes place precisely.

 

[Flamjetxx]

In interest of moving the thread forward and a lack of importance to where the duel takes place, I've made bare minimum edits to perfectly reflect that all combatants are outside. It is @Versok 's turn to post if all is well ni the neighborhood.

 

[Valen Pelora]

I appreciate you editing the post. I think having the correct location is important. Having reread the post I do have 2 additional concerns.
1. It looks like you are packing a lot of action into a very short span (essentially the time it takes Valen to fire 3 shots).
2. Given the nature of my blaster fire I don't think simply stating you are "deflecting" it is enough. You need to describe how you are deflecting.

@Flamjetxx

 

[Toasty]

XPC rounds cannot be deflected because of the composition of the bolt. (can't remember the name off the top of my head)

It moves slow and flashes when coming in contact with a lightsaber, like a firecracker pop. Hence why deflection does not happen, keep that in mind.

 

[Flamjetxx]

I appreciate you editing the post. I think having the correct location is important. Having reread the post I do have 2 additional concerns.
1. It looks like you are packing a lot of action into a very short span (essentially the time it takes Valen to fire 3 shots).
2. Given the nature of my blaster fire I don't think simply stating you are "deflecting" it is enough. You need to describe how you are deflecting.

@Flamjetxx

Toasty- I suppose that Artello wouldn't know that until then.
1. I don't think he is performing too many actions. There is an offense, a defense, and a movement, which is standard.
He began his offense and movement at the moment he saw Valen begin to raise the rifle, as Valen would fist have to raise the rifle to aim it at Artello. And by the time the three shots are fired and travelling, Artello would only then be able to use his defense and continue his movement. Keep in mind as well that Artello already had his lightsaber activated and as was in the post was already in position to defend. The activation of the jumpers is only to enforce the movement that he had already started.

I hope that clears things up as far as a break down of actions and time frame references.

 

[Toasty]

Since I got a notification on this, throwing in my two cents. Although I didn't read most of anything about the thread.

Based off assumptions of movements from the ooc, it sounds like flamjet is running into the bolts.

From my previous statement, the XPC makes a bright light when the ammo comes into contact with a lightsaber(It's on the writeup). You wouldn't be able to see the next two shots, and would run straight into them because of the flare from the first.

Possibly where the confusion comes from.

Anyways, this is me now exiting the thread as I press the unwatch button. Have fun, report stuff if you need a mod. (Don't ask me. d: )

 

[Valen Pelora]

I don't think we are going to agree on this point. I don't want to bog the thread down in an OOC argument. Versok and I have agreed to report the thread.

 

[Phoenix]

So the latest post has some issues.

Using the Force isn't instantaneous. In particular, forming grips and pulls that start at your opponent are going to be more difficult than a pull, so if Artello is going to grip and pull a Wookiee-sized opponent it's not going to be an instant occurrence. While that's happening, Valen would have time to aim the rifle and fire. At 15 meters, the travel time of the bolt is going to be mostly negligible even if he's jetting in the opposite direction.

In addition to that, he's turning his back to the source of the gunfire while still blocking the shots. That's too much to do in a little over a second. He's not going to be able to block the gunshots while doing all those other things.

 

[Flamjetxx]

Well, it was in fact a Force pull, and not a very strong one at that as it is only strong enough to cause it to stumble rather that grip and lurch the wookie forward with incredible force -he isn't trying to maintain anything as in a grip, just an instantaneous distracting pull.

And Artello is not running away, he is strafing laterally -specifically maintaining the 15meter gap rather than closing or opening it-, putting his left side closer to the opposition, making his lightsaber closer to his enemies. It is a real tactic to turn one's body to the side to make them a smaller target, and turning ones body to the side doesn't make it any harder to use a lightsaber to defense oneself.

Am I wrong or missing something?