"Oh,That's Paper" OOC

[Adore To Nowhere]

Hey there! \(^3^)/
Just wanted to make an OOC thread in order to discuss an issue I had with Vosrik's post.

Spoiler: OOC

I don't really feel the need to add much detail to this post, so it'll be pretty straightforward

Zisria had planned this out beforehand, however she definitely expected to be shooting the Mandalorian, not some random troublemaker...

"Target's 'actual distance' is approximately four-hundred meters, taking into account other variables- including that robed idiot's constant movement -I should be able to hit him..." She steadied her aim, exhaling slowly as she squeezed the trigger, "...now."

The bullet silently shot from the rifle, its flash hidden by the modified suppressor attached to the end of the barrel. As the .408 round began traveling through the air with force equal to that of a heavy blaster rifle, its intended target suddenly activated their repulsorboots, causing the bullet to dramatically miss and fly past him.

"Son of a Hutt!" she whispered angrily "Why can't I just catch a break..?" Zisria whined while quickly readjusting her aim, only able to target Lucius' chest due to the rushed nature of the action. Her target had pulled out a weapon which appeared to be two spheres connected by some sort of chain, and with another slow exhale she fired as quickly as she could.

Spoiler: Math Shit

A=the target's (Mirdala's and Lucius') position
B=the building's collinear position to the target
C=Zisria's position on top of the building

AB=346.41 meters=Zisria's HORIZONTAL distance to the target
BC=200 meters=Zisria's VERTICAL distance to the target
CA=400 meters=Zisria's ACTUAL distance to the target

<ABC=90° (assuming the building is perpendicular to the target's position)
<BCA=60°
<CAB=30°

[there's a lot more variables that go into firing a weapon, but that shit's too complicated for an RP post]

Boom. Target down.

A whizzing noise briefly distracted Lucius, the slug zipping into the ground nearby his feet and sending up a small cloud of dust. He whirled around, noticing the particularly large building — perfect for sniping from. "Another sniper? Man, they just can't leave me alone, can they!" Due to it being nighttime and the precautions the shooter took, Lucius couldn't see exactly where his aggressor was. Not that it really mattered, he or she wasn't his concern. Putting away his weapons, Lucius stuck out his hand and reached out with the Force. The dust and dirt on the road slowly began to lift, when he was violently interrupted.

POW

Lucius reeled as the second shot connected on the right side of his torso. He'd been moving around, but clearly not enough to escape the second shot which ricocheted off his armour. He knew he wouldn't be able to take another shot like that in the same spot. Using his repulsorboots to their full advantage, he began zigzagging back and forth, using the Force to conjure up a huge cloud of dirt and sand to obscure nearly the entire street in front of the cantina. Rushing back to his unconscious victim, Lucius pulled up the man's helmet just enough to be able to stab a syringe full of sedative into him in case he didn't stay out as long as the Disciple needed.

Still under the cover of dust, Lucius picked up Mirdala and dragged the body into an alleyway, out of sight of the sniper. He pulled out a black rose, calling upon the Force again to ignite the petals as he tossed it into the middle of the dust cloud. Down the alley was Lucius' speeder, which he intended to leave with imminently.

@Adore To Nowhere​

Taking into account three factors (Lucius' armor, the bullet's force, and where the bullet hit Lucius), I believe that my shot should've dealt more damage than it did in his post.

Spoiler: Three Things

Lucius' Armor: As stated in his entrance post, "he'd taken up the Mantle, Lucius was fully clad in his usual equipment and helmet." The (default) Mantle is stated to only have "medium armor coverage" with the exception of the ability to further modify it, and according to Lucius' profile, no modifications other than aesthetic ones have been made.

The Bullet's Force: As was stated, Zisria is using the KTEC 20XX Sniper Rifle at a (actual) distance of 400 meters. This would mean that according to the weapon's profile it should have the ability to hold (kinetic) force equal to that of a heavy blaster rifle, of which was stated in my post.

Where The Bullet Hit Lucius: Despite the fact that I'd given him the chance to dodge the shot (albeit somewhat indirectly), Lucius was hit in the right side of his torso; a tough spot for the bullet to simply scathe, leading me to believe that Lucius took a direct hit from the bullet (which is- according to his post -indeed the case).

Because Lucius took the hit when he's using The Mantle, he'd be wearing something with only medium armor coverage against a bullet with force equal to that of a heavy blaster rifle's shot. Not only that, but the area that the bullet hit (his right torso) would likely become wounded due to the kinetic force applied to his already "insufficient" armor; this would injure his ribs and possibly even his lung. No to mention the knockback as well, which could be slightly negated thanks to his (presumably) previously active repulsorboots, nonetheless he'd still fall to the ground at the very least.

I'm not trying to whine, I just think that Lucius wasn't affected enough by being hit by the bullet, especially considering how his armor was practically just dented by it in the current post. ("...the second shot which ricocheted off his armour. He knew he wouldn't be able to take another shot like that in the same spot.")

@Mirdala Priest
@Vosrik

 

[Vosrik]

While we're at it, I'm also going to have to dispute @Mirdala Priest's most recent post...as he's quite simply knocked out from the SG-4 and won't be regaining consciousness for the rest of the fight :p Once I have some more time on my hands, I'll reply to the above post though. @Adore To Nowhere

 

[Mirdala Priest]

I disagree. I'm wearing heavy CCT . It's a sonic grenade set to incapacitate. There is no set time for effect.

You're gettin shot and raising sand clouds with the force and trying to pick up a man in heavy armor and drag me around. How long do you think people stay unconscious for usually from a concussion?

 

[Vosrik]

I disagree. I'm wearing heavy CCT . It's a sonic grenade set to incapacitate. There is no set time for effect.

You're gettin shot and raising sand clouds with the force and trying to pick up a man in heavy armor and drag me around. How long do you think people stay unconscious for usually from a concussion?

Take a look at the writeup again. Mirdala is not wearing any ear defenders, and the non-lethal setting is set to incapacitate (i.e, knock out) its target. Such is sonic technology. Also, each combat post in PvP is generally assumed to be around 7 seconds, so no, Mirdala wouldn't be remotely able to function after being in the centre blast of the SG-4 in the very next post :P

Again, I'll reply to your dispute when I get the chance to do a bit of research, Adore. However, it's generally accepted slugthrowers in SW are quite bad/primitive compared to blasters, and armour ratings actually denote the amount of actual armoured coverage, not the level. Most armours can block 2-3 shots from normal guns, or 1 heavy shot before breaking and being vulnerable.

 

[Mirdala Priest]

7 second per post? So...there is no dispute of all you accomplished in 7 seconds? Come on...you didn't do all that in 7 seconds.

A concussion will cause incapicitation for several seconds to usually under 1 and a half minutes. Anything else is indicative of serious brain trauma.

You don't get to simply say he's out for the fight. You can break yiur times down better in the post. He's not in a coma.

 

[Vosrik]

7 second per post? So...there is no dispute of all you accomplished in 7 seconds? Come on...you didn't do all that in 7 seconds.

A concussion will cause incapicitation for several seconds to usually under 1 and a half minutes. Anything else is indicative of serious brain trauma.

You don't get to simply say he's out for the fight. You can break yiur times down better in the post. He's not in a coma.

Alright, I admit Lucius tried doing a lot, but that still doesn't change that Mirdala got hit with the full blast of a sonic grenade. Any more powerful setting and he would be dead from the same grenade. He wouldn't simply have a concussion and be mildly conscious for the next couple seconds. While I'd agree Mirdala isn't in a coma, he certainly wouldn't be able to perform a chokehold even by your standards of several seconds to a minute.

 

[Mirdala Priest]

Yeah re reading your post, I'm asking you to Ty hink about your time frame in your dispute in my post.

You repulse around a bit dodge first shot, get shot by second sniper shot. You concentrate and raise a sand cloud. You walk over and lift my helmet, pull out a syringe, inject me, drag me down an alley to your car.

7 seconds? You couldn't do all that in 3 mins.

Which is why I think it's realistic Mirdala wakes up. Knockouts are quick and disorientating, but you don't stay out long. It's momentary shut down of brain to protect against shock.
You are covering a lot of time in your post, longer than two minutes IC.

 

[Mirdala Priest]

Phoenix will prob agree with you since he created the grenade.

But fresh into the fight, in CCT armor, I don't think anyone in decent shape would be unconscious longer than a couple minutes.

 

[Vosrik]

I will be editing, but the only thing that can change is what I can do, not the length of time that the post is. Quick note that the first bullet misses without Lucius needing to do any dodging. In fact, my edit might resolve the issue Adore has as well :)

 

[Vosrik]

Phoenix will prob agree with you since he created the grenade.

But fresh into the fight, in CCT armor, I don't think anyone in decent shape would be unconscious longer than a couple minutes.

Perhaps, but armour doesn't really have any effect since it doesn't include anything to protect the ears. It would be taken into account for the lethal sonic version however (I actually had to do a ruling on that back when I was Jedi FL) due to the tissue-damaging properties.

 

[Adore To Nowhere]

Take a look at the writeup again. Mirdala is not wearing any ear defenders, and the non-lethal setting is set to incapacitate (i.e, knock out) its target. Such is sonic technology. Also, each combat post in PvP is generally assumed to be around 7 seconds, so no, Mirdala wouldn't be remotely able to function after being in the centre blast of the SG-4 in the very next post :P

Again, I'll reply to your dispute when I get the chance to do a bit of research, Adore. However, it's generally accepted slugthrowers in SW are quite bad/primitive compared to blasters, and armour ratings actually denote the amount of actual armoured coverage, not the level. Most armours can block 2-3 shots from normal guns, or 1 heavy shot before breaking and being vulnerable.

I'm fully aware of the weaknesses that slugthrowers have, but that doesn't mean that you can take a shot with the kinetic force of a heavy blaster rifle's shot and barely be affected. I'll accept that it may not penetrate your armor, but it'll still do a lot of damage.

 

[Vosrik]

Alrighty! I've edited. Now, another thing I noticed is that under normal circumstances, I wouldn't be able to edit because of Mirdala posting (and therefore "confirming" my post). However, Adore's challenge and the free-for-all nature means I was able to. If you wouldn't mind taking a look at the edit @Mirdala Priest, I'm sure you have some edits to make as well.

 

[Adore To Nowhere]

Alrighty! I've edited. Now, another thing I noticed is that under normal circumstances, I wouldn't be able to edit because of Mirdala posting (and therefore "confirming" my post). However, Adore's challenge and the free-for-all nature means I was able to. If you wouldn't mind taking a look at the edit @Mirdala Priest, I'm sure you have some edits to make as well.

All you did was change it so that I missed my second shot after you already took the bullet the first time, which I don't think fixes the problem.

Do you see problem with someone taking a hit in PvP without fully understanding how much damage it'd do to them, and then once the issue is brought to their attention they decide to "fix" it by never getting hit in the first place? Because I do.

All I ask is that you correct your mistake by becoming injured to an appropriate extent.

 

[Mirdala Priest]

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Lmao

 

[Vosrik]

All you did was change it so that I missed my second shot after you already took the bullet the first time, which I don't think fixes the problem.

Do you see problem with someone taking a hit in PvP without fully understanding how much damage it'd do to them, and then once the issue is brought to their attention they decide to "fix" it by never getting hit in the first place? Because I do.

All I ask is that you correct your mistake by becoming injured to an appropriate extent.

It was my choice to get hit by the shot in the first place, and you said yourself that it was dodgeable. Since my post is under dispute, I may edit it as much as I like (and I have). If you'd like to challenge the dodge that Lucius has made, then so be it. That is now my new post and action.

 

[Mirdala Priest]

Lame attitude. I worked with you with the emp even though as i was on the outskirts its effects would've been weakened.

Problem is youre looking for something easy rather than interesting. Lame.

Well my post isn't changing. You can report it for ruling.

If it ain't causing permanent deafness then it isn't knocking me out for a convenient time for your character. That isn't how 'knockouts' work. Concussive force =force = a physical effect. How that only effects ears I don't know why you think that.

Armor and physical conditioning does effect the relapse switch in the brain in regaining consciousness. Thats a scientific fact. Boxing and MMA have pioneered that research.

Anyway, report.

 

[Vosrik]

Lame attitude. I worked with you with the emp even though as i was on the outskirts its effects would've been weakened.

Problem is youre looking for something easy rather than interesting. Lame.

Well my post isn't changing. You can report it for ruling.

If it ain't causing permanent deafness then it isn't knocking me out for a convenient time for your character. That isn't how 'knockouts' work. Concussive force =force = a physical effect. How that only effects ears I don't know why you think that.

Armor and physical conditioning does effect the relapse switch in the brain in regaining consciousness. Thats a scientific fact. Boxing and MMA have pioneered that research.

Anyway, report.

We...didn't have any dispute over the EMP, I supported the fact it was on the edge of the blast in that you were able to use your blaster.

As for the grenade, I asked Phoenix on skype for clarification. Here's his response: (and I quote)

"Not knocked out completely, no. If they have no ear protection it’s going to cause them to become extremely dizzy, nauseous, unable to stand, tinnitus and potentially permanent hearing loss. The big part is the dizziness and inability to stand though which if they’re at the center of the blast will probably last 15-20 seconds of more or less being unable to function."

So, I definitely stand corrected in that your character isn't knocked out. Now, I'd rather not have to escalate this to the admins for a ruling, I think we can work this out among ourselves. Not as if anyone's lives are on the line (except Lucius' maybe, haha). With this information, are you willing to make some edits? (however big or small they may be for continuity)

 

[Mirdala Priest]

I'm always willing to work with other writers, so yes I'm willing to edit.

BUT

If your edits turn into "she keeps missing because she sucks" and "you can't do anything because you suck" then we need to call in a mod.

I have been writing defensively since your first post always writing a way for me to react and so far all you keep telling me is "no you can't react because I'm so good with my grenades and timing."

Cooperation involves all parties. I'm not rolling over so you can have an easy day. In fact, now I'm pretty set on winning this fight wheras before I just wanted a fun story for everyone.

 

[Vosrik]

I'm always willing to work with other writers, so yes I'm willing to edit.

BUT

If your edits turn into "she keeps missing because she sucks" and "you can't do anything because you suck" then we need to call in a mod.

I have been writing defensively since your first post always writing a way for me to react and so far all you keep telling me is "no you can't react because I'm so good with my grenades and timing."

Cooperation involves all parties. I'm not rolling over so you can have an easy day. In fact, now I'm pretty set on winning this fight wheras before I just wanted a fun story for everyone.

Thank you, I'm glad we can carry on. :)

Though, I absolutely did not want to come across as "I'm better than you guys and you both suck at this thing" in the least. I didn't think my character's aggressiveness in PvP came across that way, that's just how I normally fight (which would be why your char has been on the defensive). I'm all for story, but in PvP I like keeping my posts a bit more simple and straightforward to avoid any unnecessary confusion. I could tell you aaaalll about some of the stuff people have written (legit novels to just ignite a lightsaber - true story xD ), so that's why my posts might not seem like they're all that interesting I suppose.

So, yeah. I hope you guys both haven't read me into saying or thinking you both suck, because I haven't thought that at all! Though, I am somewhat curious as to what side or motivation Adore's char has to shooting Lucius (is she teamed up with Mirdala or does she care at all?) Just wondering, nothing serious.

 

[Vosrik]

Just...another small note guys, it's technically not really okay to post before previous edits or challenges have been resolved xD I guess this is kind of an exception since it's a 1v1v1, but just for future reference perhaps in other threads :p