Obamacare UPHELD
- Thread starter Brandon Rhea
- Start date
You're funny.
Most arguments surrounding this topic are incredibly stupid.
- Joined
- Nov 27, 2005
- Messages
- 67,946
- Reaction score
- 3,859
- Staff
- #47
There's been speculation that Roberts changed his vote at the last minute because Scalia's dissent, perhaps originally a majority opinion (given how it was written, it probably was), scared Roberts off and made him switch to the tax view of the mandate and uphold it.
- Joined
- Dec 28, 2011
- Messages
- 6,905
- Reaction score
- 233
Except the people making this argument happen to be highly experienced jurists who are more intelligent than the vast majority of people.
@Bac: I wouldn't be surprised. I've followed the Chief Justice's career and met plenty of men like him. White-shoe business guy. He has a fair enough allegiance to the law, but he's as political as they come.
- Joined
- Jan 7, 2006
- Messages
- 2,512
- Reaction score
- 0
Out of curiosity, how many people here have actually read this bill? I don't just mean part of it; I mean all of it.
- Joined
- Dec 23, 2006
- Messages
- 18,425
- Reaction score
- 32
You back for a bit or are you just popping in for a comment before leaving like a gust of wind?
- Joined
- Dec 28, 2011
- Messages
- 6,905
- Reaction score
- 233
Yo.
- Joined
- Dec 7, 2005
- Messages
- 24,621
- Reaction score
- 20
I read it when it was voted on by congress.
- Joined
- May 11, 2006
- Messages
- 5,513
- Reaction score
- 3
Ive read it.
- Joined
- Jan 7, 2006
- Messages
- 2,512
- Reaction score
- 0
I generally don't post much because I don't have time to RP anymore, I don't wish to get into full out arguments/debates, I don't like giving away personal information, and I try to avoid posting without a reason. So regretfully I'm more of a lurker. If I had more time irl and people where receptive of me, I'd be active.
The reason I asked the question is because of how long the bill is. It's over 2000 pages of information (exactly 2409 from the PDF I have of it). Summaries don't really tell the full story, because as a law every line of every page must be followed as written. So, unless every line has been read, it cannot be said that you fully understand what the bill does. Perhaps I'm speaking for myself in all of what I'm saying. However, I doubt that many people have thoroughly read this bill. I've read physics textbooks that are less crunchy than this bill (which I haven't even come close to finishing, nor do I feel the inspiration to crunch my way through - and I know that I know very little about the bill from it, minus the biased summaries from those who claim to have read it all).
- Joined
- Dec 28, 2011
- Messages
- 6,905
- Reaction score
- 233
And that's a reasonable claim. Very few people are actually equipped to interpret legalese. I will note that the final version that really needs to be read is the one after Deem and Pass and reconciliation, which stripped out some passages regarding elder care, as well as changing certain Medicare opt-in/out mechanisms for the states (which the Supreme Court nixed in its decision anyhow.) I will also note that interpreting certain passages are not as straightforward. A lot of the claims with regards to Medicaid expansion is open to interpretation, and some of the regulations for administrative costs/procedures for the private sector have been left vague (as should be with a law, but will likely make regulatory capture inevitable.)