North Korea: Plutonium Test

[Kit]

Who cares what they think about our nation. I'd rather be a hated warmonger than a guy who sits around talking. That is just the way of the world. Also I bet it would make America look even better anyways. We invaded a nation who was hostile and reunited the people into one nation. Then now America would look like liberators and then we would have bases that border china. As an American I would support the us invasion of NK if one ever happened.

Um... just out of interest, where do you think this happened...? Ever?

And, the first two lines of that ^^ are precisely why you will never succeed in politics, should you so chose to involve yourself.

 

[Fynar]

Um... just out of interest, where do you think this happened...? Ever?

And, the first two lines of that ^^ are precisely why you will never succeed in politics, should you so chose to involve yourself.

Who says I will ever say those two lines in public?

lol

 

[Xin]

And we are still having this debate/argument because...? What have we gained?

 

[Fynar]

And we are still having this debate/argument because...? What have we gained?

Because this is how this site works until an admin gets us back on top.

 

[Storm]

Who cares what they think about our nation. I'd rather be a hated warmonger than a guy who sits around talking. That is just the way of the world. Also I bet it would make America look even better anyways. We invaded a nation who was hostile and reunited the people into one nation. Then now America would look like liberators and then we would have bases that border china. As an American I would support the us invasion of NK if one ever happened.

That's basically Imperialism.

And you wonder why half the world hates America.

The Koreans are happy. You have no right to force your views on them, as you're American, not Korean. To do so is some kind of Imperialist fascism type stuff.

Who says I will ever say those two lines in public?

lol

Thank God you wouldn't say that sort of stuff in public.

 

[Fynar]

That's basically Imperialism.

And you wonder why half the world hates America.

The Koreans are happy. You have no right to force your views on them, as you're American, not Korean. To do so is some kind of Imperialist fascism type stuff.



Thank God you wouldn't say that sort of stuff in public.

I don't wonder why. Its more of a matter of not caring.

 

[Sovereign]

And we are still having this debate/argument because...? What have we gained?

Because the whole point of this section is to have debates?

I don't wonder why. Its more of a matter of not caring.

So if you don't care why would you invade North Korea in the first place and waste trillions of dollars?

 

[Storm]

I don't wonder why. Its more of a matter of not caring.

Seriously.

The vast majority of Koreans are happy. What's you're basically saying is "screw the fact they're happy, I don't think they're happy, they don't conform to my ideas of how people should live, therefore my opinion is that we should enter their country and enforce our way of doing things on it, which we have no right to do."

So if you don't care why would you invade North Korea in the first place and waste trillions of dollars?

Because he's either saying it tongue in cheek, or he's got no idea of what he's saying, or he's saying what I said in above post...

 

[Sovereign]

The vast majority of Koreans are happy.

You should stop making these kind of assumptions.

 

[Storm]

You should stop making these kind of assumptions.

Although I'm pretty sure it was you who linked some statistic the other day, that's not even the main point. The main point is that there's no right for America to enter.

 

[Sovereign]

Although I'm pretty sure it was you who linked some statistic the other day, that's not even the main point. The main point is that there's no right for America to enter.

The statistics were about the number of North Koreans who managed to flee to SOUTH KOREA. They are literally thousands that defect to China.

Yes.

****ing China.

So if China > NK you can imagine that NK is pretty ****ed up.

 

[Storm]

The statistics were about the number of North Koreans who managed to flee to SOUTH KOREA. They are literally thousands that defect to China.

Yes.

****ing China.

So if China > NK you can imagine that NK is pretty ****ed up.

Either way, that's regardless of my point. What gives America the right to name themselves arbiters of the peace and go in and invade? To remove Kim would be the limit of what could be seen as not almost imperialism, but they'd go way to far and instate democracy and the likes, mess around with the government until it was how they liked, and so forth. Solely deposing Kim would be testing the borders of what I've said, but they'd take it just that much further...

 

[Sovereign]

Either way, that's regardless of my point. What gives America the right to name themselves arbiters of the peace and go in and invade? To remove Kim would be the limit of what could be seen as not almost imperialism, but they'd go way to far and instate democracy and the likes, mess around with the government until it was how they liked, and so forth. Solely deposing Kim would be testing the borders of what I've said, but they'd take it just that much further...

Yeah, but you were wrong in saying that North Koreans are perfectly content with their situation.

Just saying.

 

[Storm]

Yeah, but you were wrong in saying that North Koreans are perfectly content with their situation.

Just saying.

No one's ever perfectly content. And, to be fair, what I said rested on this statistic of yours.

And, seeing as you've clarified, I agree with you; you're entirely right.

My stance, however, doesn't change.

 

[Dan.]

Before I continue, let me get this straight: Dan is of the opinion Kim Jong Il is a bad leader, and we should replace him and upset the North Korean state of things, which we have no right to do anyway.

Wow.

Kim Jong Il has nukes and is very close to having long-range missile capabilities. He is a potential agent of World War 3 and I don't know about you, but if some jackass who hates the free world with a passion has the means and motives to end it all is tolerated, much less defended, there's a problem.

EDIT- Storm, there's a difference between 'no ones ever content' and 'North Korean's are starving and dying without ever having known freedom'. As long as NK is a part of the UN, then the UN has a right and even more so, a responsibility, to get rid of Kim Jong Il. He's a dangerous despot and HORRIBLE for his country. The only reason the NK people haven't rebelled is that they and the 20 closest people to them are KILLED and/or TORTURED.

And you're defending him?

 

[Viggy]

Actually, I have a few family who were in Gulags. They did, however, question the state and the way it operated. Therefore, whilst I'm not happy they died, they did commit a crime.

I don't believe in killing them, no.

Warning, heavy fine, then arrest imo.

And sure, you can think what you want. But I have every right to believe what I want, and that, in no way, makes my opinion any less valid. I'm not changing on this front any more than you're going to.

Questioning the state being criminalized... Reminds me of Tsarists and Nazis. Don't you think there's a problem with that? A socialist government ought to look out for the common people and their rights. People should have every right to ask questions and make sure their government is legitimate and uncorrupted. Why shouldn't they? A very very wise man once said,

"People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people."

And it's true imo. I'm not questioning your right to believe what you want, but I will tell you, it makes me sick to think that an intelligent guy like you can seriously agree with stealing people's freedom. If you ever actually lived in the lower social caste within a Stalinist government I think you might reconsider your opinion, particularly if you were born into a minority.

The only reason the NK people haven't rebelled is that they and the 20 closest people to them are KILLED and/or TORTURED.

I don't know about that... Though some have certainly been killed for political reasons or illegitimate accusations, and a great many of them would die if they ever did organize a fair-sized rebellion.

 

[Amathev]

Storm, people in North Korea are starving, and people are dying trying to flee the country.
This is the modern USSR, and Kim is Stalin re-incarnate. Shouldn't you be joyous and defect over any second now?

 

[Fynar]

I love the fact Storm that you supposedly had family members in Gulags who's only crime was to speak out a fundamental right you are exercising right now over the internet and your only response to it is well oh well that is the law.

 

[Xin]

People, people.... COMMUNISM = forced rule and brainwashing. You think they're happy but they really aren't. Their way of life is pretty much forced. Now tell me your happy being forced into a shitty life by a crazy and shitty leader with no way out?

 

[Sovereign]

COMMUNISM = forced rule and brainwashing.

No, that's stalinism. Get it right.