Mandalorian culture

[Count Sam]

Well, I just found out that I am tired of people having the idea that being a Mando means that you should go *phew phew for honor and glory* so I decided to make this little thread to inform everyone that the Mando's you are familiar with changed before the clone wars. So technically there was a culture shift in the Mandalorian society (according to wookieepedia)

Also during the clone wars the Mandos were a peaceful society that tried to avoid fighting and they were ruled by a female duchess rather than a Mandalore. Of course that was all changed when Bobba Fett came to power, but still according to my information Bobba Fett turned the Mandalorians into a mercenary faction that fought as soldiers for whoever paid them.

However even during Bobba Fett's rule the Mandalorians came to realize that fighting is always not the best option after they experienced great losses during the Vong war.

"No Mandalorian soldier should have to fight an aruetii's war for the price of a day's food. No Mando'ad should have to fight at all, except to defend Manda'yaim, his home, or his family, or because he wants to. We have to stop being the tool of governments that don't care if we live or die so long as we do their bidding."
―Kad'ika, also known as Venku Skirata, addressing a gathering of clan leaders

I am not saying the Mandalorians do not follow an honor code or anything but what I am saying is that there has been a culture change for the Mandalorian society over time and that just like the Jedi order they are not as Orthodox as they used to be. Of course this is one of the reasons why the group known as the death watch( Mandalorians who follow the old way) has been fighting the other Mandalorians for a long time.

Cheers!!!

 

[Vencu]

Most of this is old news, bud. There are a few notable gaps in your historical lineup, too. Like Jaster Mereel's introduction of the Supercommando Codex and Fenn Shysa and his resistance. Still, I appreciate the effort. It's definitely good to see someone else passionate and interested in learning about the culture.

 

[Count Sam]

Most of this is old news, bud. There are a few notable gaps in your historical lineup, too. Like Jaster Mereel's introduction of the Supercommando Codex and Fenn Shysa and his resistance. Still, I appreciate the effort. It's definitely good to see someone else passionate and interested in learning about the culture.

Well my main point is the fact that the Mandalorians view of war changed after the Yuuzhan Vong war....this is my main point. Also if my information is right Fenn Shysa and Jaster were both living before the Vong war. Of course you can correct me if I am wrong since I am not a Fandalorian or a hardcore Mando fan really.

 

[Fusion]

Sam, words you're looking for are Fandalorian Manboy.

 

[Matt]

IMO the clone wars is a complete load of crap.

The Mandalore in those crappy cartoons is so very different from the one describe in the LOTF novels it makes no ****ing sense.

 

[Livgardist]

There'll always be cultural changes, but there'll also be people who want to cling to the 'orthodox', old ways of a culture. Stragglers, if you will. Mandalorians are a stubborn lot if anything, and I think most would never stray very far from their core beliefs and values - those being themes like the worship of strength and being led by the strongest of their people, protecting your family and kin, rather die than being trampled on, and so on and so forth. The common theme here being pride, duty and honor.

Those core values that make up some form of 'code of honor' are what makes a Mandalorian a Mandalorian. Just because their culture supposedly changes due to their leadership doesn't mean that the Mandalorians themselves, or the way they're thinking, will. If they don't cling on to even the most basic thing that makes them Mandalorians - that made them Mandalorian from the start, and in the eyes of every other culture in the galaxy - then they cannot at all be called Mandalorians any longer.

They may know to stay their hand once in a while and pick their battles, but it is when you face great consequences for your actions that it truly matters that you stick to your beliefs. If you don't, it makes you a hypocrite.

At least, that's my rather vaguely and ill defined opinion on the matter.

Edit to add: Matt - Word!!!

 

[Count Sam]

IMO the clone wars is a complete load of crap.

The Mandalore in those crappy cartoons is so very different from the one describe in the LOTF novels it makes no ****ing sense.

Indeed, the Mandos during the clone wars sucked and tbh I can't explain how much I was disappointed when I watched that episode of clone wars....I was really waiting for this episode so I could see the Mandos on screen but then I was disappointed when I saw what George Lucas did to them. However; that does not change the fact that the clone wars is canon.

There'll always be cultural changes, but there'll also be people who want to cling to the 'orthodox', old ways of a culture. Stragglers, if you will. Mandalorians are a stubborn lot if anything, and I think most would never stray very far from their core beliefs and values - those being themes like the worship of strength and being led by the strongest of their people, protecting your family and kin, rather die than being trampled on, and so on and so forth. The common theme here being pride, duty and honor.

Those core values that make up some form of 'code of honor' are what makes a Mandalorian a Mandalorian. Just because their culture supposedly changes due to their leadership doesn't mean that the Mandalorians themselves, or the way they're thinking, will. If they don't cling on to even the most basic thing that makes them Mandalorians - that made them Mandalorian from the start, and in the eyes of every other culture in the galaxy - then they cannot at all be called Mandalorians any longer.

They may know to stay their hand once in a while and pick their battles, but it is when you face great consequences for your actions that it truly matters that you stick to your beliefs. If you don't, it makes you a hypocrite.

At least, that's my rather vaguely and ill defined opinion on the matter.

Edit to add: Matt - Word!!!

I am not saying that Mandalorians completely changed or anything....all I am saying is that their ways somewhat changed during the clone wars and after just like the old Jedi order and the new one.

Also while the Mandalorians would most likely want the strongest warrior to lead them they would still want a tactful and strategic leader who would not just rush into a losing battle in the name of honor and glory.

 

[Matt]

Well they made Boba Fett Mandalore, a guy who had no real love for the Mandalorians in particular and spent most of his time off world.

Tactful and strategic aren't Mandalorian words.

A Mandalorian drops a nuke on a city to destroy a shield generator.

Echani do strategic. Mandalorians blow shit up.

 

[Livgardist]

Once again I agree with Matt. Tactics, nah. Strength, even if it's brute force, yes. That's the Mandalorian way. :D

 

[Matt]

Once again I agree with Matt. Tactics, nah. Strength, even if it's brute force, yes. That's the Mandalorian way. :D

Indeed, just listen to Canderous in KOTOR.

Blew up a city riding a Baslisk through orbit.

BAMF :CStern

 

[Livgardist]

Booh ya! I want a Basilisk too! >_<

 

[Prancing Yawn]

IMO the clone wars is a complete load of crap.

The Mandalore in those crappy cartoons is so very different from the one describe in the LOTF novels it makes no ****ing sense.

Mandalore has never been on The Clone Wars..

 

[Matt]

Mandalore has never been on The Clone Wars..

Yes, it has.

Idiot. :CStern

 

[Prancing Yawn]

Yes, it has.

Idiot. :CStern

No. Duchess Satine was not Mandalore, neither was that Pre Viszla dude.

Unless you're talking about the planet.. and not.. the.. person....


:CSly

 

[Matt]

No. Duchess Satine was not Mandalore, neither was that Pre Viszla dude.

Unless you're talking about the planet.. and not.. the.. person....


:CSly

I'm talking about the Planet.

Again, idiot. :CStern

 

[Count Sam]

Well they made Boba Fett Mandalore, a guy who had no real love for the Mandalorians in particular and spent most of his time off world.

Tactful and strategic aren't Mandalorian words.

A Mandalorian drops a nuke on a city to destroy a shield generator.

Echani do strategic. Mandalorians blow shit up.

Well if you are talking about the Mandalorians during the old Republic era then blowing shit up would indeed be what Mandalorians did, but I guess during Bobba Fett's era till the current era we are at(going through the Vong crisis) The Mandalorians would have surely changed a bit.

 

[Insanity]

Echani and Mandalorians. Hybridize them already and you have BAMFs everywhere.

*ahem* The Clone Wars cartoon is NOT accepted as canon yet. It's been hinted at it but it's not accepted as fact. It likely won't until they kill the series, at which point the majority of the SW community will go for it or not. The novelizations of Mandalore, person and planet, contradict the series and I lean more towards the novel versions of the planet, myself. Keldabe is capital of Mandalorian space, not that fake city in the cartoon. The 'New Mandalorians' in the cartoon are, to steal a word from the Brits, a complete load of bollocks.

 

[Phil]

We don't talk about Clone Wars on here, only because of it's sheer stupidity and what they think Mandalorians are.
:CStern

 

[Vencu]

We don't talk about Clone Wars on here, only because of it's sheer stupidity and what they think Mandalorians are.
:CStern

Heh, it seems as though we agree on something.

 

[Count Sam]

We don't talk about Clone Wars on here, only because of it's sheer stupidity and what they think Mandalorians are.
:CStern

Well tbh this show just screwed up star wars a lot but still it was not that bad. After all, if you are a fan of adventure animes and cartoons and not really comparing the cartoon to the movies or the novels then you would have surely enjoyed this show somewhat.