Is Science the new Religion?

[Sovereign]

Is Science the new Religion? Fifty years ago, preachers were highly sought for advices. People would often blindly follow their judgement to better fufill "God's Divine Will." Now in 2007, it seems that Scientits have taken their place as Society's Guides. Instead of talks on Providence, they promote Ecology. Instead of promising Hell for the recalcitrants, they give us Global Annihilation and claim ignorance on whoever disagrees.

They're not entirely wrong, of course. Hell, I didn't go to University to study all of their fancy shit. But when has a Scientist ever sat down to give us concrete proof on why the Earth is warming? All they do is make up extravagant computer-generated images of the Earth going nuts, and because we're retarded, we'll get up from our television seat, say something witty like "Gosh Billy, isn't that sumthin', eh?" and buy a Toyota Hybrid. They sometime go farther and compare past temperatures in hopes that we're awe-struck by the 0.13C per decade increase. I'm sorry but isn't comparing temperatures from a few years apart retarded? Even if we go back to the year 0, as shown on this wikipedian chart (how can they even tell them anyway?) , the Earth is literally 4.57 billion years old. Which means that you can fit our seemingly long period of 2007 years (has shown on the wikipedian chart) 2 277 030.39 times.

You could always argue that it was only since the advent of Global Industrialisation that the warmth really started to happen, (then you can fit that period of roughly 200 years 23 million times. Pretty inaccurate for a constantly changing thing) but men did not invent pollution. Volcanoes alone release about 255 tons of carbon dioxide each year.


I'm not saying that there is absolutely no way of Global Warming happening, but I've always thought that skepticism was essential to any debates.

 

[Drago Solaris]

I dont see what all the fuss is about. Soon london will be an underwater adventure resort, york will have amazing beaches and il be able to start a banana plantation in my back garden.

Now whats so bad about that?

 

[Xerphox]

Banana Flavor Yorkshire Puddings.

 

[Ser Gregor]

Sin, what you posted had some pretty ignorant points. True, skepticism is an asset, but saying all the scientists, who have devouted their entire career, are spouting overly sugared words, just to convince the masses to buy something new.

They do a lot more then what you say. Also, they can tell the Eath's temperature by digging into the ice fields in the arctic. And it has been proven that the Earth is warming, NOBODY is denying that. Studies have said that in all the articles on global warming done by educated, qualified individuals, none denies global warming. The argument isn't whether it exists or not, it's if we are the cause.

The facts steer towards the undeniable fact that we are a major factor in global warming.

Also, even if it isn't as bad as it states, and we don't need to do what we believe we need to be doing. If we help slow down global warming, we will be saving the future. That is something that cannot be argued.

To support my argument, if we do not do anything, as many people say, the next iceage will happen. Now, most say that is the most outrageous point for global warming. But it is entirely true.

How is Earth's temperature regulated? The ocean currents. How do they work? There is a mixture of fresh and salt water, the salt water being denser, thus it sinks to the ground, while the fresh water is on the top. That creates a wheel, it all has to do with how much salt there is in the water. The fast moving currents are highly consentrated with salt, while slow moving ones are much less saturated.

Now, there is proof of the rate of melt off in Greenland, and that would spill directly into the Gulf Stream, which regulates the temperature for the UK. This would slow down, or halt, the thermohaline circulation, resulting in most of North America and Western Europe to plunge into a perpetual winter.

Now, last time this happened, it was the ice sheets over North America, when the Earth was in a cold period(Not Ice Age, mind you.) and that melted, flowing into the Gulf Stream. Creating the Ice Age we all know.

Now, what place has the same amount of Ice? Greenland. Which is melting at a alarming speed, so, people who blindly disagree just for the reason that it becomes inconenient are as bad as those who deny it right out.

So, my little rant on how I hate the denial that global warming is a threat.

Peace out! :thumbsup:

EDIT: This should probably be moved to the Debate Room. I can see it getting quite... debatable.

 

[Will]

The reason science is seen as the new religion is because much of the Western World is Now Atheist/Agnostic, or not very orthodox. So, people turn to science to fill the void. And i hope global warming doesn't happen, because i hate it when it's hot. How can i snowboard then? how i ask you?!

But i'm not worried about global warming, as i feel it's due to the Solar cycles. CO2 plays a small part, but not much. So, it'll get cold again. hopefully.

 

[Ser Gregor]

It'll get cold after it get's much warmer. An Ice Age is like the planets emergency prevention, used to return temperatures back to normal.

 

[Will]

and i hope i'm alive then. Everyone will be inventing things to withstand the cold, and it'll be the dawn of all this new, resilient technology. Warmth is just 'Ooh, let's use less fossil fuels, let's use WINDMILLS that can't be used if it's too windy! and solar panels in Britain!'

 

[Matt]

Moved to debate forum.

Follow the debate forum rules please in future.

 

[Adamis]

Here are couple of images you may find interesting:

Note that the industrial age started in the 1800s.

Now even if you don't believe we are the main reason for global warming, does it really matter? I mean if you can do something to lower your CO2 emissions and/or your global footprint with little or no effect on your lifestyle and livelyhood then why not just fu<king do it!?! I mean its not effecting you much and it could mean the difference between some major future disaster that could seriously fu<k up Earth! If the scientist are wrong are we aren't major cause of Global Warming then this change(s) that you make may not help but they can't hurt it either so why not do it!? !

 

[Ser Yorick]

Well, the thing is, Adamis, we have nothing past a hundred years of records to accurately compare. We don't know what the world was like 200 years ago, we have scientists who like to guess what it was like, but we have no records of that time like we do now.

 

[Adamis]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(adroit @ Apr 15 2007, 10:28 AM) [snapback]159137[/snapback]</div>

Well, the thing is, Adamis, we have nothing past a hundred years of records to accurately compare. We don't know what the world was like 200 years ago, we have scientists who like to guess what it was like, but we have no records of that time like we do now.[/b]

Thats what Ice Cores are for. They take gases from the atmosphere at specific time periods that are trapped in ice bubbles in glaciers and at the poles and test the air quality and that gives them are very good approximation of the atmospheric composition in those time periods.

 

[Ser Yorick]

They don't know that what the readings tell them were correct, or at what time that "trapped gas" was from. And that's only specific parts of the world, gas combinations change from place to place. All they get are rough estimates still. Who's to say those ice cores haven't decreased, or become distilled from all the years it's been there? We don't know anything for sure, and we never will.

"Exact science is not an exact science." Lol

 

[Ser Gregor]

Adroit, they know when the gas was trapped, what happens is, in the north, there is the ice ring. Which acts just like a tree ring, and it tells them the approximate time. Within a couple of years.

And the Co2 level is pretty uniform throughout the world, with hot-spots created from human activity. The ice cores are a very accurate account for Co2 levels hundreds of years ago.

 

[Ser Yorick]

How do we know it's accurate...? ANd like I said, how do we know they weren't contaminated by substances we would not recognise shouldn't be there? We don't know, because our scientists cannot go back in time.

 

[Adamis]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(adroit @ Apr 15 2007, 10:49 AM) [snapback]159141[/snapback]</div>

How do we know it's accurate...? ANd like I said, how do we know they weren't contaminated by substances we would not recognise shouldn't be there? We don't know, because our scientists cannot go back in time.[/b]

No but we can get ice cores from about the time that we started to record the composition of the atmosphere with more immediate sources and compare them. Fact is ice cores are a widely accepted and well known source of atmosphere data from the past. Simple as that.

 

[Ser Yorick]

So is the fact that Jesus really was God's son. But hey, let's all just go believe people who preach things we have not seen ourselves. Wait, the whole world does that, my bad.

And it's funny, because I'm atheist... Though, I AM starting to lean a little bit toward agnostic nowadays.

 

[Adamis]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(adroit @ Apr 15 2007, 11:01 AM) [snapback]159145[/snapback]</div>

So is the fact that Jesus really was God's son. But hey, let's all just go believe people who preach things we have not seen ourselves. Wait, the whole world does that, my bad.

And it's funny, because I'm atheist... Though, I AM starting to lean a little bit toward agnostic nowadays.[/b]

Lets just say for a moment that you are right. Are you really going to say "Well we may be causing Global Warming from looking at this data but it may, MAY, be wrong so we are just going to ignore it and keep going as we have been and hope for the best."? If your right and but we listen to the scientist and go more enviromentally friendly then all that we have done is learnt how to live environmentally friendly which can't be a bad thing. If your right and we do nothing then are just the same as we have always been.

But if we are right and we do nothing we could seriously risk fu<king up the only planet that we know for a fact can support human life and thereby risk a large proportion of the human population. If we are right and we go more enviromentally friendly then we may stop that from happening and save all those people.

If we do it more enviromentally friendly we get either a minor positive or a possible very major positive. If we do nothing we have a neutral and a very major negative. Are you really willing to risk that just because you don't want to change you life even slightly and are too proud to admit that something you don't believe in may possibly be right?

 

[Ser Yorick]

Dude, I'm not saying we ignore it, but if what's being said is true, we're already fucked. And it's like we the people could do anything about fixing the planet. We can't reverse the damage we've caused. It's human nature to destory, and we're doing a fine job of it right now.

 

[Adamis]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(adroit @ Apr 15 2007, 11:21 AM) [snapback]159148[/snapback]</div>

Dude, I'm not saying we ignore it, but if what's being said is true, we're already fucked. And it's like we the people could do anything about fixing the planet. We can't reverse the damage we've caused. It's human nature to destory, and we're doing a fine job of it right now.[/b]

So you're not willing to do anything to even try and stop it? If a murderer says that his victim was going to die some day anyway do we let him off? If we do nothing to try and stop the damage then we are just dooming ourselves. The Earth is a remarkable place and actually has some very effective techniques for reversing the damage done to it but it can only take so much. If we stop at least some of the damage we are doing NOW, if not all of it, then over time the planet will return to equilibrium by itself if we simply stop hurting her. We may not be alive at that stage but do we really want to kill our planet for our children, grandchildren and great grandchildren?

 

[Ser Yorick]

No, the point is that there's too many people in the world, and those who have money want to keep their money. It does not matter what I do, or you do, it does not matter what a hundred million people do, the damage we have caused is irreversible. Once the waves start splashing, we cannot stop them with our hands, for the ocean is always fairly larger than the amount of hands we can get to stand in the way.