Is Islam a Threat?

[Jaqen H'ghar]

I've explained this to you multiple times.
What don't you understand about what I've said? I'll try to explain it again.

Because your saying that it's okay for you to ignore bits from your holy book but that others can't do the same.

This is tu quoque. What does it matter what the Bible says? We're talking about Islam.

See above, it's relavent as johnny has pointed out.

Furthermore there are over 1 billion muslims in the world, I really doubt they are all trying to kill us I really, reeeeeally think we'd have noticed if 1.5 billion people were trying to make everyone else die.

 

[Grath Wyvrin]

Would you have me refer to you in another way?

No, I was just messing around.

 

[Caleb]

Because Grath's argument is based on the Qur'an's perceived violence when the Bible can also be seen as violent in its scripture. It's making a counter-argument and supporting the claims.

No. It has no relevance. Regardless of whether the Bible has violent passages or is a violent religion. His argument is "The Qur'an condones and encourages violence, thus Islam is violent." That is the argument you must rebut.

 

[Johnnysaurus Rex]

No, I was just messing around.

Fair enough.

No. It has no relevance. Regardless of whether the Bible has violent passages or is a violent religion. His argument is "The Qur'an condones and encourages violence, thus Islam is violent." That is the argument you must rebut.

It is being rebut by finding a similar example and saying that it should be viewed in the same light. He says it is not the same thing. Hence why we are pointing out the similarities.

EDIT: In fact us debating whether it is relevant is off-topic. Matt is a perfectly good admin and has obviously been following this. If he feels things go to far he can take action. I'm going to let him do his job.

 

[Cyril Khan]

We are. Grath's example for why Islam is a threat was it's belief system. We pointed out that the other religons have belief systems that could also be seen as threatening and violent.

No, what you guys are doing is presenting a Red Herring and a proposition fallacy at the same time. The topic is "Is Islam a Threat?" Justifying that Christianity, Judaism, and and other religion are threats due to their beliefs does not justify Islam for being or not being a threat.

 

[Grath Wyvrin]

Because your saying that it's okay for you to ignore bits from your holy book but that others can't do the same.



See above, it's relavent as johnny has pointed out.

Furthermore there are over 1 billion muslims in the world, I really doubt they are all trying to kill us I really, reeeeeally think we'd have noticed if 1.5 billion people were trying to make everyone else die.

I ignore the laws of Levicitus because they applied to the Ancient Israelites.
The Old Testement is a history book to explain the growth and coming of Christianity.

 

[Matt]

No, what you guys are doing is presenting a Red Herring and a proposition fallacy at the same time. The topic is "Is Islam a Threat?" Justifying that Christianity, Judaism, and and other religion are threats due to their beliefs does not justify Islam for being or not being a threat.

It is a relevant point but yes, not one for this thread.

Let's get back to the topic at hand guys.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

Muslims are no more of a threat than Jews are. Moderate Muslims and religious Jews both make up the majority of their respective religions and heritages, respectively, and when I say majority I mean vast majority. The vast x10 majority of the people in this world just want to work and provide for their families. You have radicals in the Muslim faith who are blowing people up, and you have Zionists who pushed the debacle that was the creation of Israel and now continue to pretend that they're 100% right and do absolutely nothing wrong. Christianity also has televangelists.

Everyone has nutjobs and each religion has gone through a rough patch. That doesn't mean the religion is dangerous.

 

[Jaqen H'ghar]

No, what you guys are doing is presenting a Red Herring and a proposition fallacy at the same time. The topic is "Is Islam a Threat?" Justifying that Christianity, Judaism, and and other religion are threats due to their beliefs does not justify Islam for being or not being a threat.

No actually we're not saying anything of the like. You really do need to read a whole conversation before jumping to conclusions.

What, at least I am saying, is that Islam isn't a threat, because religions evolve. That all religions at one point in time, all major religions anyway, have been considered a threat, that none are without blame, and that they all have changed with small pockets of groups that do not represent the majority causing harm and acts of terrorism. I am also saying that Graths thinking is flawed, because the bible, which he agrees with, has the ability to be used for justification of various heinous acts and yet he can function around that, and that muslims can also do the same thing, which he disagrees with.

 

[JM76]

Christianity also has televangelists.

Last I checked, televangelist aren't blowing people up. :CIsee:

But it seems we're just arguing in circles.

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Al-Qaeda also wants to tear up the Philippines in two and create a Islamic state, they also demand half of spain and they also see the entire Middle East as "Muslim Land."

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They'll get half of Spain when we get North Africa, Palestine, Syria, and Istanbul and the lands formerly belonging to the Byzantine Empire; all territories conquered by Muslims during the Middle Ages.

 

[Grath Wyvrin]

No actually we're not saying anything of the like. You really do need to read a whole conversation before jumping to conclusions.

What, at least I am saying, is that Islam isn't a threat, because religions evolve. That all religions at one point in time, all major religions anyway, have been considered a threat, that none are without blame, and that they all have changed with small pockets of groups that do not represent the majority causing harm and acts of terrorism. I am also saying that Graths thinking is flawed, because the bible, which he agrees with, has the ability to be used for justification of various heinous acts and yet he can function around that, and that muslims can also do the same thing, which he disagrees with.

Anything can be used to justify heinous acts. The issue with the Qu'ran is that is explicitly states that killing non-muslims is alright.

 

[Brandon Rhea]

Last I checked, televangelist aren't blowing people up. :CIsee:

They inspire stupidity, ignorance, and votes for Sarah Palin.

They are minions of the Anti-Christ.

 

[Viggy]

Last I checked, televangelist aren't blowing people up. :CIsee:

But some Christians are doing that. And probably the ones who watch televangelists...

 

[Cyril Khan]

No actually we're not saying anything of the like. You really do need to read a whole conversation before jumping to conclusions.

What, at least I am saying, is that Islam isn't a threat, because religions evolve. That all religions at one point in time, all major religions anyway, have been considered a threat, that none are without blame, and that they all have changed with small pockets of groups that do not represent the majority causing harm and acts of terrorism. I am also saying that Graths thinking is flawed, because the bible, which he agrees with, has the ability to be used for justification of various heinous acts and yet he can function around that, and that muslims can also do the same thing, which he disagrees with.

I was actually responding to Johnny, but after reading the part I highlighted, what I said functions for you too.

 

[Jaqen H'ghar]

Anything can be used to justify heinous acts. The issue with the Qu'ran is that is explicitly states that killing non-muslims is alright.

And the old testament justifies that killing under various circumstances is alright as well, which is relevant to jews.

Furthermore it said that god's okay with killing off cities that don't recieve the disciples in Mathew 10:14-16 so there you go. People pick and choose. Religions evolve, and change.

I was actually responding to Johnny, but after reading the part I highlighted, what I said functions for you too.

How exactly?

 

[Caleb]

Furthermore it said that god's okay with killing off cities that don't recieve the disciples in Mathew 10:14-16.

"Whoever does not receive you, nor heed your words, as you go out of that house or that city, shake the dust of your feet. Truly I say to you, it will be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment for that city."

In other words, people who don't receive Christ will go to hell. Yeah, I'm cool with that.

 

[Grath Wyvrin]

And the old testament justifies that killing under various circumstances is alright as well, which is relevant to jews.

Furthermore it said that god's okay with killing off cities that don't recieve the disciples in Mathew 10:14-16 so there you go. People pick and choose. Religions evolve, and change.





How exactly?

Matthew 10:14-16 refers to the day of judgement which everyone will go through at the end of time. The Muslims even believe in the day of judgement so if you call out the Bible on this issue you are also calling out the Qu'ran.

 

[Wing]

It would be awesome if there no religious texts. You either believed in God or not. No set religious guidelines or anything. Only secular laws.

 

[Cyril Khan]

Justifying that Christianity, Judaism, and and other religion are threats due to their beliefs does not justify Islam for being or not being a threat.

I am also saying that Graths thinking is flawed, because the bible, which he agrees with, has the ability to be used for justification of various heinous acts and yet he can function around that, and that muslims can also do the same thing, which he disagrees with.

If you can't figure it out at this point, I don't see the point in trying to explain it.

 

[Jaqen H'ghar]

Matthew 10:14-16 refers to the day of judgement which everyone will go through at the end of time. The Muslims even believe in the day of judgement so if you call out the Bible on this issue you are also calling out the Qu'ran.

I've no problem with doing that. As I've said, religious texts are constantly pick and choose.